Dylan Shiel

[nostalgicsaint]

The other thing of note imo.

Billings could easily fill the Gresham role/output of this year.

Billings isn't going to attract much by way of trade where as Gresham can get as a 1st round pick (upgrade from 2nd) and Shiel potentially.

[Teflon]

People fixating on Shiel in this completely miss the point
He’s 1 year salary goes off book’s end next year meaning we’ve just freed up circa $800 k to have a crack at FA
We struggle to park all our salary cap $ now
IF we get 13 it’s smart business and kudos to SOS and co for going lateral …..we don’t get Nth handouts so we gotta be creative
Lions and Bombers previously manipulated same process with Daniher …why not us?? As Brett would say

[TheGreatZacsby]

People fixating on Shiel in this completely miss the point
He’s 1 year salary goes off book’s end next year meaning we’ve just freed up circa $800 k to have a crack at FA
We struggle to park all our salary cap $ now
IF we get 13 it’s smart business and kudos to SOS and co for going lateral …..we don’t get Nth handouts so we gotta be creative
Lions and Bombers previously manipulated same process with Daniher …why not us?? As Brett would say

Exactly. Everyone’s caught up on “Shiel” look past that and see we got 2x First Rounders if the deal goes through. So much flexibility with that.

[Captain Impossible]

From Fox Sports:

DONS, SAINTS CONCOCTING SHREWD FREE AGENCY PLAY

Essendon and St Kilda reportedly in crafty negotiations that could see the Bombers land an extra first round pick at this year’s draft.

According to The Herald Sun’s Jon Ralph, the clubs’ experienced list bosses Adrian Dodoro and Stephen Silvagni are concocting a trade and free agency ploy that could see an extra first round pick get created through free-agency compensation for St Kilda free agent Jade Gresham.

The pick would then get handed back to the Bombers in a trade for midfielder Dylan Shiel.

If we use pick 13 on Dylan Shiel, I won't be renewing my membership. Dylan Shiel is barely worth a second round pick.

[takeaway]

From Fox Sports:

DONS, SAINTS CONCOCTING SHREWD FREE AGENCY PLAY

Essendon and St Kilda reportedly in crafty negotiations that could see the Bombers land an extra first round pick at this year’s draft.

According to The Herald Sun’s Jon Ralph, the clubs’ experienced list bosses Adrian Dodoro and Stephen Silvagni are concocting a trade and free agency ploy that could see an extra first round pick get created through free-agency compensation for St Kilda free agent Jade Gresham.

The pick would then get handed back to the Bombers in a trade for midfielder Dylan Shiel.

If we use pick 13 on Dylan Shiel, I won't be renewing my membership. Dylan Shiel is barely worth a second round pick.

The only way we would do that is if they give us their pick 8 back. Surely.

[samuraisaint]

Absolute joke if true.
No to this. We went through all of this with DH back in 2019 and Shiel isn't 28. Never again thanks.

[samuraisaint]

People fixating on Shiel in this completely miss the point
He’s 1 year salary goes off book’s end next year meaning we’ve just freed up circa $800 k to have a crack at FA
We struggle to park all our salary cap $ now
IF we get 13 it’s smart business and kudos to SOS and co for going lateral …..we don’t get Nth handouts so we gotta be creative
Lions and Bombers previously manipulated same process with Daniher …why not us?? As Brett would say

Pick 13 goes to Essendon to get Shiel. No way should the club do this. No way.

[older saint]

obviously speculation, however i would hope that we are then able to split 13 into a later first round pick and second or 2 seconds, 1 goes back to Ess for Shiel and 1 to Freo for Henry

Keep 12 ,
get Shiel and Henry
Lose Gresham

that seems to work ok

Alternative

Get Henry using 2nd round pick
Lose Gresham

[Life Long Saint]

This is from SEN:
Dylan Shiel (Essendon) & Jade Gresham (St Kilda)

“The theory is, as reported in the Herald Sun yesterday, Essendon has an abundance of midfielders and Dylan Shiel turns 31 in March.

“He’s coming off a 12-game season and coming into the last year of his contract on a decent wage. This was his big six-year deal when crossing from the Giants when Carlton came hard for him.

“St Kilda aren’t interested in keeping Jade Gresham despite what they say publicly. He’s also well paid, and they need more midfield support.

“Gresham would leave as a free agent and because Essendon would pay him enough it gives St Kilda either a first-round or end of first-round compensation pick. It would be 13 given their first pick is 12, or at the end of the first round of course.

“Then the trade period sometime later, St Kilda send a pick back to Essendon for Shiel. The theory goes it could be that same pick that they use in the Gresham deal. List managers I’ve spoken to said they would be floored if the Saints gave up a first-rounder for Shiel.

“They’ve got 31 so it would be more likely that the Saints would give up 31, or that second-round pick for Shiel and Essendon allow it given the Saints would be taking on Dylan Shiel’s wage at the same time.

“Essentially it’s a pick buy. St Kilda will be buying a pick here.”

[ausfatcat]

[Otiman]

Here's a scenario to you, how would the AFL feel about this?

Team A and B both have a free agent on their list, say they are a GOP, role playing, bottom 6 in the best 22.
This year, Team B offers team A's player an 800k 3 year deal - gets a 1st round compo pick.
Next year, Team A offers team B's player an 800k 3 year deal - also gets a 1st round compo pick.

Both teams have effectively bought a first round pick with cap space.

[skeptic]

People fixating on Shiel in this completely miss the point
He’s 1 year salary goes off book’s end next year meaning we’ve just freed up circa $800 k to have a crack at FA
We struggle to park all our salary cap $ now
IF we get 13 it’s smart business and kudos to SOS and co for going lateral …..we don’t get Nth handouts so we gotta be creative
Lions and Bombers previously manipulated same process with Daniher …why not us?? As Brett would say

My understanding is that we trade Gresh and his comp pic #13 in exchange for Shiel and salary cap space

Are u saying we keep the comp

[MC Gusto]

Essendon don’t have a cap issue tho

Perhaps Essendon take gresh as reported we get first round
But we get Shiel for 0 salary cap impact in 24 but have to give the pick back

Essentially Shiel for $0 impact allowing us to hit the FA elsewhere

Either that or we keep Shiel and his salary and give back a later pick but I don’t think Essendon need cap relief so why would they do that??

[SaintPav]

Hollands to Carlton and we get shite.

[ausfatcat]

Essendon don’t have a cap issue tho

Perhaps Essendon take gresh as reported we get first round
But we get Shiel for 0 salary cap impact in 24 but have to give the pick back

Essentially Shiel for $0 impact allowing us to hit the FA elsewhere

Either that or we keep Shiel and his salary and give back a later pick but I don’t think Essendon need cap relief so why would they do that??

So a 26 year old on a reported 600k in exchange for a nearly 31 year old on 800k+..... we lose

but sounds like a mega deal for Essendon that gets to Salary dump on a surplus player get pick 13 and get the free agent for nothing that they want.

[Scollop]

Towards the end of that they read out some texts from some of their listeners, regarding manoeuvring at Melbourne FC.

" Earth shattering trade. Big name set to come to Dees"

"They're working behind the scenes on something Big"

I think theodorelogan and ParkeySainter are back

[MC Gusto]

Essendon don’t have a cap issue tho

Perhaps Essendon take gresh as reported we get first round
But we get Shiel for 0 salary cap impact in 24 but have to give the pick back

Essentially Shiel for $0 impact allowing us to hit the FA elsewhere

Either that or we keep Shiel and his salary and give back a later pick but I don’t think Essendon need cap relief so why would they do that??

So a 26 year old on a reported 600k in exchange for a nearly 31 year old on 800k+..... we lose

but sounds like a mega deal for Essendon that gets to Salary dump on a surplus player get pick 13 and get the free agent for nothing that they want.

No in the scenario I proposed it is us salary dumping. Lose gresh gain Shiel but for $0.
Supposedly Essendon have more cap space than us so I don’t know why they would be interested in salary dumping

In any event I would still rather just keep the compo pick don’t get me wrong. But I reckon Essendon would prefer Shiel over pick 31 so something doesn’t stack up

[Life Long Saint]

Here's a scenario to you, how would the AFL feel about this?

Team A and B both have a free agent on their list, say they are a GOP, role playing, bottom 6 in the best 22.
This year, Team B offers team A's player an 800k 3 year deal - gets a 1st round compo pick.
Next year, Team A offers team B's player an 800k 3 year deal - also gets a 1st round compo pick.

Both teams have effectively bought a first round pick with cap space.

That wouldn't happen because both team A and B received a free agent.
The compensation is worked out on the totality of the free agency gains/losses.
In your scenario, neither team would receive a compensation pick.

[Otiman]

Here's a scenario to you, how would the AFL feel about this?

Team A and B both have a free agent on their list, say they are a GOP, role playing, bottom 6 in the best 22.
This year, Team B offers team A's player an 800k 3 year deal - gets a 1st round compo pick.
Next year, Team A offers team B's player an 800k 3 year deal - also gets a 1st round compo pick.

Both teams have effectively bought a first round pick with cap space.

That wouldn't happen because both team A and B received a free agent.
The compensation is worked out on the totality of the free agency gains/losses.
In your scenario, neither team would receive a compensation pick.

If you do it a year apart (requires some trust), then unless the AFL intervenes both teams should get the picks.

[Otiman]

One thing this has done is flagged we are a destination for a cap dump. Expect offers of picks to cap dump players. Possibly from Port Adelaide.

[repta]

His stats were great c2018 - 2019

If only our medical team could come up with a cure for OLD. Of couree if they did that they wont stick around as they will own private islands as the industry for a cure for OLD is worth trillions

His injuries are symptomatic of an OLD player at the end of his playing days. There is no turning back the clock on a player over 30. The cake is cooked. A slice might get moist if you bang it in the microwave for 20s. But ultimately there is no real hope.

Shiel is -what- 7 best Essendon midfielder this year? A team thar didnt make the top 8.
List clogger. Hope brown and white stripes suit him.

[groupie1]

This is from SEN:
Dylan Shiel (Essendon) & Jade Gresham (St Kilda)

“The theory is, as reported in the Herald Sun yesterday, Essendon has an abundance of midfielders and Dylan Shiel turns 31 in March.

“He’s coming off a 12-game season and coming into the last year of his contract on a decent wage. This was his big six-year deal when crossing from the Giants when Carlton came hard for him.

“St Kilda aren’t interested in keeping Jade Gresham despite what they say publicly. He’s also well paid, and they need more midfield support.

“Gresham would leave as a free agent and because Essendon would pay him enough it gives St Kilda either a first-round or end of first-round compensation pick. It would be 13 given their first pick is 12, or at the end of the first round of course.

“Then the trade period sometime later, St Kilda send a pick back to Essendon for Shiel. The theory goes it could be that same pick that they use in the Gresham deal. List managers I’ve spoken to said they would be floored if the Saints gave up a first-rounder for Shiel.

“They’ve got 31 so it would be more likely that the Saints would give up 31, or that second-round pick for Shiel and Essendon allow it given the Saints would be taking on Dylan Shiel’s wage at the same time.

“Essentially it’s a pick buy. St Kilda will be buying a pick here.”

If all this accomplishes by us composing a pick 13 for Gresham is to give it to Essendon for an overpaid 31-year-old, it SUCKS.
I can see why we do this to allow Essendon to salary dump Shiel for a much later pick. But not for the compo pick going straight back.

[saintbob]

From Fox Sports:

DONS, SAINTS CONCOCTING SHREWD FREE AGENCY PLAY

Essendon and St Kilda reportedly in crafty negotiations that could see the Bombers land an extra first round pick at this year’s draft.

According to The Herald Sun’s Jon Ralph, the clubs’ experienced list bosses Adrian Dodoro and Stephen Silvagni are concocting a trade and free agency ploy that could see an extra first round pick get created through free-agency compensation for St Kilda free agent Jade Gresham.

The pick would then get handed back to the Bombers in a trade for midfielder Dylan Shiel.

If we use pick 13 on Dylan Shiel, I won't be renewing my membership. Dylan Shiel is barely worth a second round pick.

The only way we would do that is if they give us their pick 8 back. Surely.

You would want to hope so, it seems ludicrous that we’d hand it straight back for Shiel.

[saynta]

RTB is reported as saying that the Shiel story is bulls*** and in any event the saints keep what they are doing to themselves.

[The Craw]

Towards the end of that they read out some texts from some of their listeners, regarding manoeuvring at Melbourne FC.

" Earth shattering trade. Big name set to come to Dees"

"They're working behind the scenes on something Big"

I think theodorelogan and ParkeySainter are back

It wouldn't surprise me to see Harry Mckay in in Melbourne colours next year