Bye bye Maynard

[meher baba]

Maynard’s not especially a thug.

But he should get time for that. It wasn’t just an attempted block of the kick, which involves jumping up and down on the spot . He propelled himself forward and led with his shoulder, which made direct contact with Brayshaw’s head.

Surely we’ve moved on from the days of Gia’s hit on Kosi. There must be some responsibly placed on players to avoid smashing into the head of opponents.

Should miss the GF, if there’s any justice. The Channel 7 combined effort to get him off is nauseating.

[Waltzing St Kilda]

Paddy Ryder says hello.

[Banger9798]

Can't believe what players were being suspended for at the start of the year compared to what they're being acquitted for now.
This would have been a clear suspension. Took him out, reckless 2-3 weeks.

[ace]

Looking at a few weeks there.

2 weeks...as in rest until he plays in the preliminary.

Pies in pole position for the flag....

2 matches he misses the prelim and the grannie.
He has duty of care to all opponents, instead he KOed an opponent.
Christian can not defend him just because he plays for his old club Collingwood.

[CQ SAINT]

Reckless, high contact, severe impact. 2 weeks min for both.

[magnifisaint]

He can't get rubbed out for that. It was unlucky that he got him high.

[Yorkeys]

If Maynard gets suspended for that the game should become non contact.

If he wanted to clean up Brayshaw he could have ran straight at him.

The fact he jumped showed his intent was to smother.

Very soft if he is rubbed out for that.

What you are arguing is that head injuries are acceptable. That seems against current medical and legal thinking. Probably immoral as well depending on your value system. He wanted to spoil the kick and hurt Brayshaw. He displayed no care for Brayshaw before or after hurting him. If he can't avoid causing major damage he should not be playing.

[CQ SAINT]

He can't get rubbed out for that. It was unlucky that he got him high.

He looked at him, turned his shoulder toward him and squared him up beautifully.
He had a number of ways to lessen the force.
From the initial side on view, he appears to actually lean into him.
Superman shoulder, basically.

[SAINT-LEE]

Brayshaw: 8 weeks suspension & attend co-worker anti-violence seminar.

Maynard: Awarded AFL Bravery Medal & 52 weeks of intensive counselling support, 25 years of Therapy Dog access & free dental ( his teeth cant stop chattering & will be worn done in weeks)

[mad saint guy]

Could've braced with his hands to soften contact or leaned his right shoulder away from Brayshaw instead of into him. His hands were initially in position to make contact with Brayshaw's body but instead he lowered the hands and leaned in with the shoulder, collecting Brayshaw in the head. If the AFL is serious about a duty of care then he's gone.

[ace]

This will be interesting, what just will Michael Christian do?

If he is smart he will send Maynard to the tribunal thus avoiding having to impose the penalty himself.

[ace]

Paddy Ryder got suspended for 2 weeks for what ?
Based on that judgement Maynard gets life without the possibility of parole.

[magnifisaint]

He jumped to smother the ball. He didn't intend to run through him. Van Rooyen is gone though. He lifted his elbow.

[bobmurray]

Maynard will get off, the AFL will accept he's a thug but can't oust him, unless they can get some something on his Viney face plant.

[chook23]

Should not be even charged by MRO

But will

Then will be cleared

[King Max]

Lots of work for biomechanics experts in September.

[D.B.Cooper]

If Maynard gets suspended for that the game should become non contact.

If he wanted to clean up Brayshaw he could have ran straight at him.

The fact he jumped showed his intent was to smother.

Very soft if he is rubbed out for that.

What you are arguing is that head injuries are acceptable. That seems against current medical and legal thinking. Probably immoral as well depending on your value system. He wanted to spoil the kick and hurt Brayshaw. He displayed no care for Brayshaw before or after hurting him. If he can't avoid causing major damage he should not be playing.

I disagree with your summation of my argument.

I believe that injuries of any nature are an unavoidable consequence of playing a contact sport.

The AFL has significantly changed the rules to reduce the risk and put the duty of care back on the players, and rightly so.

When you have big, strong, fit and fast men running at the ball and contest it is inevitable that serious injuries will occur. If this is not an acceptable risk, take the contact out of the game.

I doubt any of us can really comment on the intent of Maynard and what went through his mind in that very short period of time.

Watching the footage Maynard appears to try and smother/ block the kick by jumping as Brayshaw kicks it. The momentum of Maynard and Brayshaw bring them together where Maynard braces, tucks his shoulder and collects Brayshaw.

If Maynard’s intent was to hurt Brayshaw, my opinion is he would have straight lined him with his shoulder, not jumped to smother the kick.

I don’t care if he gets suspended for 10 weeks, but I don’t think he should get rubbed out for that incident.

If he does get suspended, what is next?
On Saturday Sharman flies for a mark and knees an opponent in the head doing so and gets rubbed out for concussing the player.

Each to their own opinion, but can’t see how he gets suspended here.

[Banger9798]

What steps did Maynard take to avoid collision?
Zero
In fact he turns his shoulder towards his opponent so they do hit. He could have rolled off to the left to avoid /minimize contact.

[nostalgicsaint]

If Maynard gets suspended for that the game should become non contact.

If he wanted to clean up Brayshaw he could have ran straight at him.

The fact he jumped showed his intent was to smother.

Very soft if he is rubbed out for that.

What you are arguing is that head injuries are acceptable. That seems against current medical and legal thinking. Probably immoral as well depending on your value system. He wanted to spoil the kick and hurt Brayshaw. He displayed no care for Brayshaw before or after hurting him. If he can't avoid causing major damage he should not be playing.

I disagree with your summation of my argument.

I believe that injuries of any nature are an unavoidable consequence of playing a contact sport.

The AFL has significantly changed the rules to reduce the risk and put the duty of care back on the players, and rightly so.

When you have big, strong, fit and fast men running at the ball and contest it is inevitable that serious injuries will occur. If this is not an acceptable risk, take the contact out of the game.

I doubt any of us can really comment on the intent of Maynard and what went through his mind in that very short period of time.

Watching the footage Maynard appears to try and smother/ block the kick by jumping as Brayshaw kicks it. The momentum of Maynard and Brayshaw bring them together where Maynard braces, tucks his shoulder and collects Brayshaw.

If Maynard’s intent was to hurt Brayshaw, my opinion is he would have straight lined him with his shoulder, not jumped to smother the kick.

I don’t care if he gets suspended for 10 weeks, but I don’t think he should get rubbed out for that incident.

If he does get suspended, what is next?
On Saturday Sharman flies for a mark and knees an opponent in the head doing so and gets rubbed out for concussing the player.

Each to their own opinion, but can’t see how he gets suspended here.

Agree with all of this.

Bedford had significantly more choice in his actions than Maynard.

Also those who are saying Maynard didn't care about the outcome- listen to him post match and do a little research- they are mates.

[takeaway]

If Maynard gets suspended for that the game should become non contact.

If he wanted to clean up Brayshaw he could have ran straight at him.

The fact he jumped showed his intent was to smother.

Very soft if he is rubbed out for that.

What you are arguing is that head injuries are acceptable. That seems against current medical and legal thinking. Probably immoral as well depending on your value system. He wanted to spoil the kick and hurt Brayshaw. He displayed no care for Brayshaw before or after hurting him. If he can't avoid causing major damage he should not be playing.

I disagree with your summation of my argument.

I believe that injuries of any nature are an unavoidable consequence of playing a contact sport.

The AFL has significantly changed the rules to reduce the risk and put the duty of care back on the players, and rightly so.

When you have big, strong, fit and fast men running at the ball and contest it is inevitable that serious injuries will occur. If this is not an acceptable risk, take the contact out of the game.

I doubt any of us can really comment on the intent of Maynard and what went through his mind in that very short period of time.

Watching the footage Maynard appears to try and smother/ block the kick by jumping as Brayshaw kicks it. The momentum of Maynard and Brayshaw bring them together where Maynard braces, tucks his shoulder and collects Brayshaw.

If Maynard’s intent was to hurt Brayshaw, my opinion is he would have straight lined him with his shoulder, not jumped to smother the kick.

I don’t care if he gets suspended for 10 weeks, but I don’t think he should get rubbed out for that incident.

If he does get suspended, what is next?
On Saturday Sharman flies for a mark and knees an opponent in the head doing so and gets rubbed out for concussing the player.

Each to their own opinion, but can’t see how he gets suspended here.

Good post, fully agree. If players get weeks for these type of incidents, we may as well change it to non contact, and lose our great game.

[markp]

Initial intent is irrelevant.

He launched off the ground at full tilt and directly at Brayshaw, then tucked and turned his shoulder into his opponent, who in that moment was utterly helpless... and most significantly knocked the guy clean out.

He could've tried to fend off or reduce impact with his hands, or even to sort of catch and turn (like they do to avoid sling tackles now).

It was very ugly.

If duty of care applies to sliding and taking someone's legs out, or swinging a player in a tackle and them hitting their head, then it has to apply here.

But it likely won't, because the afl is all about expediency.


(Would Brayshaw playing have made an extra 8 point difference to the dees?)

How many would they give Caminiti if he did the same in a h&a game?


Should be at least 2-3 weeks.

[Bin Chicken]

First full game I’ve watched for a couple of years lol. I was bored with the PS4. Had the sound muted naturally.

Game has been softened for awhile now which is why I don’t watch it anymore. Maynard gets a hand to the ball I think - if he fully smothered it and still crashed into Brayshaw then what? Play on? Brayshaw might’ve not got hurt as bad.

[Finna]

Obviously if we were to somehow sneak through to a PF against the pies then it would be good to have him on the sidelines however if he gets suspended for that it is a disgrace. As others have said it may as well be a non contact sport...he was trying to smother and could not possibly do anything while in the air. Touch AFL anyone?

[Otiman]

I'm sure if it was a sainter this thread would look very different.

For the integrity of the game, he must not get rubbed out for that.

Maynard poor judgement for sure, but not malicious or with any intent other than to brace himself.

[Beno88]

Astonishing that people think it wasn't intentional.

That scenario happens so many times in a match, almost always the defender jumps into the attacker with their hands or they jump past them completely, as Pickett did in the final quarter.

Maynard attempted to smother knowing he was going to follow through with his shoulder, regardless if he smothered the ball or not.

Maynard doesn't accidentally clean blokes up. He's tough, but he walks a fine line, which he clearly crossed. 4 weeks minimum.