Ross Lyon’s year of experimentation

[Teflon]

Inventing different ways to say it doesn't change that you keep posting the same thing - you don't like Lyon as our coach.

I apologise for boring you.

I don't care about his personality. I just care about his ability to coach.

I do like some of his qualities. I think that if he delegates and has a strong support crew we will have success.

I think there's room for improvement. I think he's a better coach and a different coach to his first time around. His time at Fremantle taught him a lot and they were in rebuild in 2017/2018, so that experience will help him with our younger players.

There is a difference between not rating some one as highly as others, with not liking someone.

Most of us were here in 2009. The constant revisionist analysis, just tells me your are highlighting your concerns in case history repeats itself. Have you got anything new?
Did you expect to play finals this year, before we sacked Ratten?

Its 2023, Freo are still rebuilding.

The problem with Scollops is he can’t actually articulate what he doesn’t like about Lyon v2.0

He likes some qualities -
He’s a better/different coach to first time-
His Freo experience rebuild will help -
His Freo experience helps him with younger players -
He needs to delegate more (assistants developed the game plan?)

But he still just doesn’t rate him??

Must be the “vibe” of the man
That’s OK btw - just own it, say it without going on about it

[SaintPav]

People are still annoyed with him deceiving St Kilda and walking to Fremantle. I don't think it was a great act.

I agree with you, and I'm still annoyed with what he did and how he did it. Just as I am with what Luke Ball did and how he did it.
BUT Lyon's been appointed our Coach and I think it's pretty obvious that under him we've improved this year. So I can give him credit for that as I'm only interested in us improving.

I don’t disagree. The appointment is now in the past.

However, the excessive spamming by the RTB acolytes is laughable.

Certain posters are unable to accept any mild criticism regarding team selection, game day strategy and tactics, list strategy, etc.

The responses are tedious yet predictable, and it's negatively affecting the site regarding serious discussion.

Why would I waste my time on here formulating a thoughtful response?!

Seriously CBF.

[Teflon]

People are still annoyed with him deceiving St Kilda and walking to Fremantle. I don't think it was a great act.

I agree with you, and I'm still annoyed with what he did and how he did it. Just as I am with what Luke Ball did and how he did it.
BUT Lyon's been appointed our Coach and I think it's pretty obvious that under him we've improved this year. So I can give him credit for that as I'm only interested in us improving.

I don’t disagree. The appointment is now in the past.

However, the excessive spamming by the RTB acolytes is laughable.

Certain posters are unable to accept any mild criticism regarding team selection, game day strategy and tactics, list strategy, etc.

The responses are tedious yet predictable, and it's negatively affecting the site regarding serious discussion.

Why would I waste my time on here formulating a thoughtful response?!

Seriously CBF.

Put up a credible argument about what you don’t like, want to see improved on game day strategy, list strategy (coach hasn’t had an offseason yet so **** me?) or the silver bullet in the reserves that’s missing out due to poor team selection?

Put up - or shut up.

There’s a difference between “mild criticism” and incessant spamming based on nothing but dislike for the guy.

It’s boring, lazy and dumb.

[Scollop]

Inventing different ways to say it doesn't change that you keep posting the same thing - you don't like Lyon as our coach.

I apologise for boring you.

I don't care about his personality. I just care about his ability to coach.

I do like some of his qualities. I think that if he delegates and has a strong support crew we will have success.

I think there's room for improvement. I think he's a better coach and a different coach to his first time around. His time at Fremantle taught him a lot and they were in rebuild in 2017/2018, so that experience will help him with our younger players.

There is a difference between not rating some one as highly as others, with not liking someone.

Most of us were here in 2009. The constant revisionist analysis, just tells me your are highlighting your concerns in case history repeats itself. Have you got anything new?
Did you expect to play finals this year, before we sacked Ratten?

Its 2023, Freo are still rebuilding.

I can't remember.

Luckily we still have this site in tact and historical posts are available... I'll get back to you shortly

[B.M]

Least he has an objective opinion

Other than

I love the coach he is always right, I will always follow him

Can’t form an opinion because you are not able to

Apologist



Has Ross ever fkd up?

We are absolutely no better than last year

We are 12-10 ring a bell?!

[B.M]

Your credible argument Teffers

‘Ross is right’

[Teflon]

Least he has an objective opinion

Other than

I love the coach he is always right, I will always follow him

Can’t form an opinion because you are not able to

Apologist



Has Ross ever fkd up?

We are absolutely no better than last year

We are 12-10 ring a bell?!

Looking after your buddy again ITK?
What’s this weeks prediction…”Saints to run through a banner pre game?”
Insightful.
I wouldn’t worry about objective opinions
All u got is cliches

[Jacks Back]

Geez some people spout some crap.

We have only played 3 new players this year because of this (well said cwrcyn):

Yes, we've only used 31 players. So who didn't get a gig?


McKenzie: Injured all yer
Hotton: First year player injured most of the year
Keeler: First year player injured for half of the year
Campbell: Back up ruckman who hasn't been required
Van Es: First year player who has not overly impressed with his performances
Allison: injured for most of the year
Adams: Injured for first part of season. Not performing well enough to be played
Coffield: Injured for most or the year
Hayes: injured for most of the year
Heath: Young developing ruckman not required to play and probably not ready
Highmore: Good form in VFL. Probably deserved a chance at some stage
McLennan: First year player injured for most of the year
Connolly: Has been good (and ordinary) at times. Probably deserved a shot at some stage

Out of all those players only Highmore would have realistically been considered for selection. Most other players dealt with significant lay-offs due to injury and simply do not have either the fitness or the body of work to justify selection.

We know that if they were fit, McKenzie, Coffield, and Hayes would have played in the senior team. Hotton may have got 3 or 4 games.

Only Highmore, Campbell, and Connolly could have genuinely been considered for selection this season, and realistically it would only have been as a back up, as there are players in the seniors who already have their respective positions covered.


You can't explore the value of players if they are not available or don't have the requisite fitness level to play in the seniors. You can't select them if their VFL form is ordinary, either. Selection integrity, anyone?


Can't stick this one on the coach. It's just not logical to do so.

[Teflon]

Geez some people spout some crap.

We have only played 3 new players this year because of this (well said cwrcyn):

Yes, we've only used 31 players. So who didn't get a gig?


McKenzie: Injured all yer
Hotton: First year player injured most of the year
Keeler: First year player injured for half of the year
Campbell: Back up ruckman who hasn't been required
Van Es: First year player who has not overly impressed with his performances
Allison: injured for most of the year
Adams: Injured for first part of season. Not performing well enough to be played
Coffield: Injured for most or the year
Hayes: injured for most of the year
Heath: Young developing ruckman not required to play and probably not ready
Highmore: Good form in VFL. Probably deserved a chance at some stage
McLennan: First year player injured for most of the year
Connolly: Has been good (and ordinary) at times. Probably deserved a shot at some stage

Out of all those players only Highmore would have realistically been considered for selection. Most other players dealt with significant lay-offs due to injury and simply do not have either the fitness or the body of work to justify selection.

We know that if they were fit, McKenzie, Coffield, and Hayes would have played in the senior team. Hotton may have got 3 or 4 games.

Only Highmore, Campbell, and Connolly could have genuinely been considered for selection this season, and realistically it would only have been as a back up, as there are players in the seniors who already have their respective positions covered.


You can't explore the value of players if they are not available or don't have the requisite fitness level to play in the seniors. You can't select them if their VFL form is ordinary, either. Selection integrity, anyone?


Can't stick this one on the coach. It's just not logical to do so.

Spot on!
It’s like a sport with anti-Ross rat pack in here atm …
Criticism cause he hasn’t played every player on the list ?
Fair enough if they were all available…they haven’t been
Odd

[nostalgicsaint]

No better than last year based on 12-10 is as lazy an argument as it would be to say we are better of we win a final.

Ultimately both results are not premiership results and all that matters is you can see development towards a premiership challenging position.

Personally I believe we are miles better placed than we were this time last year.

Improved game plan
More competitive losses
More games into our youth
Higher standards

[Devilhead]

Least he has an objective opinion

Other than

I love the coach he is always right, I will always follow him

Can’t form an opinion because you are not able to

Apologist



Has Ross ever fkd up?

We are absolutely no better than last year

We are 12-10 ring a bell?!

But hey let's totally ignore that we only won 11 games last year not 12, that there is also 2 games left go, our % is better than last year and or injury list has been huge and bigger than last year and that we also haven't been outside the 8 all year

[nostalgicsaint]

Whats interesting is the anti RL brigade making this all about RL.

Most who have defended the club, have been defending the performance of the club- not one man.

In fact, several have expressed they are not a big fan of RL but do have respect for his ability as a coach.

Yet those who consistently bring him up are also claiming anyone who dare suggest the club is on a better path now (not perfect just better) must just be RL fans and have drunk the cool aid.

I hope I never become so bitter. It doesn't seem like a great way to live.

[Teflon]

Here’s a balanced take from BF on the coach this year:


We definitely need to consolidate at the draft but our list is still pretty ordinary. We look more on the Hawks, North type of level than the top 4 with our list. Honestly what Lyon has done with such an ordinary list is impressive. Geelong were talking about how their injuries have stopped all their consistency and ability to stay in games. We have been dealt a much worse hand and stayed competitive with sides with much deeper talent pools.

[skeptic]

Personal opinion though I can’t be bothered detailing my reasons just now…
I reckon we’ve improved quite markedly this year to last

[Scollop]

Geez some people spout some crap.

We have only played 3 new players this year because of this (well said cwrcyn):

Yes, we've only used 31 players. So who didn't get a gig?


McKenzie: Injured all yer
Hotton: First year player injured most of the year
Keeler: First year player injured for half of the year
Campbell: Back up ruckman who hasn't been required
Van Es: First year player who has not overly impressed with his performances
Allison: injured for most of the year
Adams: Injured for first part of season. Not performing well enough to be played
Coffield: Injured for most or the year
Hayes: injured for most of the year
Heath: Young developing ruckman not required to play and probably not ready
Highmore: Good form in VFL. Probably deserved a chance at some stage
McLennan: First year player injured for most of the year
Connolly: Has been good (and ordinary) at times. Probably deserved a shot at some stage

Out of all those players only Highmore would have realistically been considered for selection. Most other players dealt with significant lay-offs due to injury and simply do not have either the fitness or the body of work to justify selection.

We know that if they were fit, McKenzie, Coffield, and Hayes would have played in the senior team. Hotton may have got 3 or 4 games.

Only Highmore, Campbell, and Connolly could have genuinely been considered for selection this season, and realistically it would only have been as a back up, as there are players in the seniors who already have their respective positions covered.


You can't explore the value of players if they are not available or don't have the requisite fitness level to play in the seniors. You can't select them if their VFL form is ordinary, either. Selection integrity, anyone?


Can't stick this one on the coach. It's just not logical to do so.

Sorry to spoil your party but that's wrong

You can't explore the value of players if they are not available

Jack Bytel only got 1 full game in Round 1. The team has not explored his value in the seniors. He continues to be named best on ground for Sandringham

Seb Ross had a run of poor form. Brad Crouch had a run of poor form. Jack Steele broke his collar bone.

During these periods where change was required (and plenty here were calling for it) there were 2 mids playing at Sandringham. Both have good attributes as midfielders and 1 is considered elite at winning contested ball on the inside - Bytel.

Instead of giving Jack and Marcus an extended opportunity, they were both played as sub when Steele was out and during Crouch's form slump. One got an opportunity and is now playing off a half back flank.

Bytel was available for at least 8-10 senior games and the coach chose to continue with the 3 amigos.

The apologists will twist the argument and say he's not good enough, but the whole thread is about experimentation. The post by cwrcyn implies he wasn't available after Round 1.

I personally feel like we missed out on seeing him in the seniors for an extended run and I personally feel our club will be the loser for not affording him the opportunity

Hope I'm wrong or hope he remains on the list and takes over from B Crouch

[SaintPav]

[Teflon]

[B.M]

The thing that you can’t get your head around Teffers

The notion that I rate Ross highly as a coach - and have stated ad nauseam

I just don’t believe he - or any coach - is always right!
And
I don’t feel the need to justify his every decision and conform to his thinking

You do
Because you overrate the impact of a coach (except when we lose) and atm you’re supporting the coach
I support the club! If imo the coach fks up - I’ll call it out

Being a Fanboy is not my thing

[Scollop]

People are still annoyed with him deceiving St Kilda and walking to Fremantle. I don't think it was a great act.

I agree with you, and I'm still annoyed with what he did and how he did it. Just as I am with what Luke Ball did and how he did it.
BUT Lyon's been appointed our Coach and I think it's pretty obvious that under him we've improved this year. So I can give him credit for that as I'm only interested in us improving.

I don’t disagree. The appointment is now in the past.

However, the excessive spamming by the RTB acolytes is laughable.

Certain posters are unable to accept any mild criticism regarding team selection, game day strategy and tactics, list strategy, etc.

The responses are tedious yet predictable, and it's negatively affecting the site regarding serious discussion.

Why would I waste my time on here formulating a thoughtful response?!

Seriously CBF.

Put up a credible argument about what you don’t like, want to see improved on game day strategy, list strategy (coach hasn’t had an offseason yet so **** me?) or the silver bullet in the reserves that’s missing out due to poor team selection?

Put up - or shut up.

There’s a difference between “mild criticism” and incessant spamming based on nothing but dislike for the guy.

It’s boring, lazy and dumb.

There's a difference between "acknowledging" a win and respecting the club and team and especially players efforts, and incessant spamming based on nothing but adulation for the coach

I've asked you several times to critique your personal assessment of matches and articulate what you think the coach did well and you provided doughnuts

If we lose - Carlton most recent example - it's all the players fault. You isolate one half of a game and say Ross did well, he can't be responsible for the second half (?!)

When I comment after a win, and if you reply to my posts with "great job from Ross the boss", it's just as dumb.

[nostalgicsaint]

Are we really back on Bytel?

FMD.

[Otiman]

The coaches 'stuffing up' is all part of exploration.

How can we learn from those mistakes and improve, be better next time. That goes for everything from skills, leadership, gameplan, selection, coaching structures, down to individual conversations and meetings.

If we are not learning, we're going backwards.

[Vortex]

You watch the fanboys turn quicker than a curious man who mistakenly wandered into the Blue Oyster Bar.

I won't, I'll be backing Ross until he's no longer the coach, I just hope the club don't stuff it up and sack him when Fox Footy turn on him.

I also hope the club finds the magic trick for recruitment...that's the big issue now, not who the coach is.

[CQ SAINT]

Are we really back on Bytel?

FMD.

When there's only thin pickings left in the straw pile, you're bound to mull over a few.

[The Fireman]

This fanboy is in for the long haul

[happy feet]

You watch the fanboys turn quicker than a curious man who mistakenly wandered into the Blue Oyster Bar.

I won't, I'll be backing Ross until he's no longer the coach, I just hope the club don't stuff it up and sack him when Fox Footy turn on him.

I also hope the club finds the magic trick for recruitment...that's the big issue now, not who the coach is.

Amen to that. Please no more recruitment stuff ups.