JB’s future at Moorabbin

[B.M]

Being poorly handled

Like Windhager

Wouldn’t surprise me if Gresham, Billings and Clark were all elsewhere in 24

It’s what we do
Take 3 first round picks - ruin their careers and turn them into 3rd rounders - who end up GOPs Or Delisted

[Teflon]

Being poorly handled

Like Windhager

Wouldn’t surprise me if Gresham, Billings and Clark were all elsewhere in 24

It’s what we do
Take 3 first round picks - ruin their careers and turn them into 3rd rounders - who end up GOPs Or Delisted

I think Gresham and Billing’s will have their bags packed for them…for a price
9 years on the list….let’s not start the “poor JB….lack of opportunities” nonsense

[B.M]

Has Billings career been a failure?!

[Sainternist]

Has Billings career been a failure?!

Well, we did draft him instead of Bontempelli

[Vortex]

milquetoast

100% word of the week

I'm using it

[Sainternist]

milquetoast

100% word of the week

I'm using it

It’s also the title of a pretty good song by the New York band (actually, they had an Aussie on guitar) called Helmet:

[saynta]

our list is not in such a crash hot state that we can afford to get rid of Gresham and Billings, two of our better players

One should also remember that the Saints usually get screwed over when trading out our better players.

One has only to remember that in reality we got SFA for Plugger, Greene and Stewart. Our record is extremely poor.

The grass is not always greener on the other side of the f****** fence.

[Teflon]

Has Billings career been a failure?!

Well, we did draft him instead of Bontempelli

Yes….yes there is that isn’t there too 3 draft pick …..
Move on ffs we got to stop pretending doing the sane thing with the sane old will yield a different result….
**** n dumb

[Sainternist]

Has Billings career been a failure?!

Well, we did draft him instead of Bontempelli

Yes….yes there is that isn’t there too 3 draft pick …..
Move on ffs we got to stop pretending doing the sane thing with the sane old will yield a different result….
**** n dumb

Hey schmohawk, how about you don’t tell me what to to do?!

FYI, Billings was touted very highly in that draft and higher than Bontempelli. Now, look where Bont’s career is and compare it with Billings.

[Saints58]

I would not like to loose gresh or Clark but JB could be traded we need a pick

[Sainternist]

I would not like to loose gresh or Clark but JB could be traded we need a pick

If I was a betting man, I would wager quite a bit that Gresh and Billings won’t be in St.Kilda colours next year. And tbh, I’m not all that worried about losing them. I mean let’s be honest, neither of the two has exactly set the AFL world on fire in the last three years.

I hope we persist with Clark, however.

[Brunswicksainter]

I would not like to loose gresh or Clark but JB could be traded we need a pick

Probably wouldn’t even be worth anything. Third round pick at best, I’d rather keep him at the point.

[Brunswicksainter]

I would not like to loose gresh or Clark but JB could be traded we need a pick

Probably wouldn’t even be worth anything. Third round pick at best, I’d rather keep him at the point.

[Teflon]

I would not like to loose gresh or Clark but JB could be traded we need a pick

Probably wouldn’t even be worth anything. Third round pick at best, I’d rather keep him at the point.

You’d have to steak knives him

[Sainternist]

I would not like to loose gresh or Clark but JB could be traded we need a pick

Probably wouldn’t even be worth anything. Third round pick at best, I’d rather keep him at the point.

What makes you think they would necessarily be involved in a straight swap?

[Brunswicksainter]

I would not like to loose gresh or Clark but JB could be traded we need a pick

Probably wouldn’t even be worth anything. Third round pick at best, I’d rather keep him at the point.

What makes you think they would be involved in a straight swap?

Never suggested that, just suggesting his worth on the ope market is about a third round pick at this time. History suggests picks outside top 20 are worthless so I’d rather keep him if that’s the equivalent value we’re getting. On the other hand though he probably has a pretty juicy contract, so opening up some salary cap by lobbing him is an added benefit.

[Laurie]

Billings days at Saints are over others gone past him only a one way player .
Should have been traded to injectors when they expressed interest few years back.

[B.M]

Bit disrespectful

He’s been a good player

150 games
20ppg as a half forward
30 odd Brownlow votes

His 2017 & 2019 seasons were excellent

Like many, injuries have been a factor

But to suggest he’s been poor is poorly imo is ordinary

He’s only 27 and has been more than handy - maybe the club hasn’t developed him well????

[Teflon]

Bit disrespectful

He’s been a good player

150 games
20ppg as a half forward
30 odd Brownlow votes

His 2017 & 2019 seasons were excellent

Like many, injuries have been a factor

But to suggest he’s been poor is poorly imo is ordinary

He’s only 27 and has been more than handy - maybe the club hasn’t developed him well????

Excuses excuses geezus Marty you’d never let anyone go
Just tell us how we are going to improve the list so our master coach can ply his trade
How are we going to get better Marty ???? Let’s have that wonderous footy knowledge provide a solution…just once …no question silly 1 line cliches ….outline your plan to take us to top 4

[B.M]

By getting a fourth rounder?

I’d rather delist - like we did with Ball - cause that was a good move?!

One way you don’t get better

Is turn your first round picks into low picks after development
Gresham, Billings, Clark
A model that sure is s*** ain’t going to work

I think if you think Lyon is going to rebuild- you’ve got rocks in your head

He took over StK when they were cherry ripe in 2007 and the same with Freo in 2012
Then in a poor attempt to rebuild Freo was sacked after 4 awful seasons

[Sainternist]

I would not like to loose gresh or Clark but JB could be traded we need a pick

Probably wouldn’t even be worth anything. Third round pick at best, I’d rather keep him at the point.

What makes you think they would be involved in a straight swap?

Never suggested that, just suggesting his worth on the ope market is about a third round pick at this time. History suggests picks outside top 20 are worthless so I’d rather keep him if that’s the equivalent value we’re getting. On the other hand though he probably has a pretty juicy contract, so opening up some salary cap by lobbing him is an added benefit.

If we keep him, he may end up a list-clogger. I get the impression he’ll want to leave, particularly if he isn’t getting a game.

[Sainternist]

I think if you think Lyon is going to rebuild- you’ve got rocks in your head

He took over StK when they were cherry ripe in 2007 and the same with Freo in 2012
Then in a poor attempt to rebuild Freo was sacked after 4 awful seasons

So, you automatically assume history will repeat itself with Lyon? No chance of him learning from his past mistakes? Geez! You must be great fun to go to the footy with!! lol

[Brunswicksainter]

I think if you think Lyon is going to rebuild- you’ve got rocks in your head

He took over StK when they were cherry ripe in 2007 and the same with Freo in 2012
Then in a poor attempt to rebuild Freo was sacked after 4 awful seasons

So, you automatically assume history will repeat itself with Lyon? No chance of him learning from his past mistakes? Geez! You must be great fun to go to the footy with!! lol

RTB actually did a pretty good job of rebuilding at the dockers. The season he got sacked, they were going pretty well with the youngest list in the comp until they were smashed by injuries. He blooded and developed most of their current gun players.

[Yorkeys]

Well let's see how he goes when given a firsts game.
Meanwhile I suppose I was suggesting if we are culling and JB is in the bathwater then there are several others to let go before him.
I see him as skillful if iffy sets shot wise.
I see Butler as a gay deceiver and Higgins and current version of Membrey as nothing special, same as Byrnes but Ryan needs persevering with as he shows intermittent promise.
But let's talk big CHB and mids before shuffling half forwards and getting consistent strong effort. Gap between Essendon game and Hawthorn is mind blowing, especially as that performance gap should have been a coaching priority from last October. Dropping players may be a blunt instrument but condoning rubbish begets rubbish.

[saintsRrising]

Hard to gauge the credibility of an article written on the 29th of May, 2023 when I got to this part...

"The Saints' midfield is currently flying with stars Brad Crouch, Seb Ross and Jack Steele leading the way."

Probably a typo..

"The Saints' midfield is currently crying with stars Brad Crouch, Seb Ross and Jack Steele leading the way."