Australia in India: Train Wreck?

[The_Dud]

Which left handers were those?

KL Rahul - nope
Rohit - nope
Pujara - nope
Kohli - nope
Iyes - nope
Jadeja - Yes

India had two left hand batsmen, they made the 2nd and 3rd highest scores for the Test.

Jadeja - 70
Patel - 84

So yeah, they didn't seem too worried about the pitch...

[B.M]

They didn’t have to face themselves or Ashwin

They had
Murphy on debut
Kuhnemann - average
Lyon - average in India

[loris]

They didn’t have to face themselves or Ashwin

They had
Murphy on debut
Kuhnemann - average
Lyon - average in India

Lyon average in India ???? Definitely not this series.

Ashwin got 25 wickets this series
Nathan Lyon got 22 wickets and played 2 less innings than Ashwin!

Jadeja with 22 wickets.

[B.M]

Loris - didn’t he have 1 big game this series?

I’m talking overall career numbers

Matches in India
26
Wickets
116
Average
32.40
Strike Rate
63
Economy
3.05

Compare those numbers to Ashwin and Jedaja in India
Well, they don’t compare

[The_Dud]

Yet the rest of the Indian right hand batting lineup had to face those "average" bowlers too and came back with scores like 20, 23, 7, 12, 8, 8...

While the only two left handers made 70 and 84...

On a pitch that was "doctored" to be "unplayable" for left handers...

Like the philosophical thought experiment "If a tree falls in the forest..." - if a doctored pitch results in no difference due to the doctoring, is it even a doctored pitch??

Also, complaining because home bowlers bowl better in home conditions is ridiculous.

And lastly, Lyon has the most wickets by a visiting spinner in India, and I think the most 5-fors by any bowler against India, so he's not too bad...

[saynta]

Yet the rest of the Indian right hand batting lineup had to face those "average" bowlers too and came back with scores like 20, 23, 7, 12, 8, 8...

While the only two left handers made 70 and 84...

On a pitch that was "doctored" to be "unplayable" for left handers...

Like the philosophical thought experiment "If a tree falls in the forest..." - if a doctored pitch results in no difference due to the doctoring, is it even a doctored pitch??

Also, complaining because home bowlers bowl better in home conditions is ridiculous.

And lastly, Lyon has the most wickets by a visiting spinner in India, and I think the most 5-fors by any bowler against India, so he's not too bad...

You don't always have to be right. Cheating is something the Indians excel at and a doctored pitch is a doctored pitch, no matter how many times you say it's not.

[Mr Magic]

How many wickets did Lyon get in the first Test?
The pitch that was prepared in an unusual way to counter the left handers in the Australian batting line up.
Didn't a large swag of Lyon's wickets come in one game later on in the series after the desired result had been achieved?

[shanegrambeau]

Settling it the 2023 way

OpenAi-ChatGPT

Me: Did Indian doctor pitches for the recent series against Australia?

GPT: As an AI language model, I do not have access to real-time information or current news updates. However, if you could provide me with more specific details or context regarding which Indian doctor you are referring to and what "pitches for the recent series against Australia" means, I would be happy to try and assist you further.

Me: You know what I mean. When I say doctor, I mean Indian ground staff watered selected patches of the wickets they prepared for the recent cricket test series against Australia.

GPT: I understand what you are referring to now.

During the India vs Australia Test series in January 2021, there were reports that Indian ground staff watered selected patches of the wickets they prepared to make them more suitable for their bowlers. This controversy emerged after the Indian team made a strong comeback to win the series 2-1, following a heavy defeat in the first Test.

However, it is important to note that these allegations were not officially confirmed, and the Indian team and Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) denied any wrongdoing. The International Cricket Council (ICC) also did not take any action against the Indian team or the ground staff.

It is worth mentioning that pitch preparation and maintenance is a crucial aspect of cricket, and ground staff are responsible for ensuring that the playing surface is fair and safe for both teams. However, any attempts to manipulate the playing conditions can be considered unethical and against the spirit of the game

Except this is using data up to 2021!

So there was already controversary!

[asiu]

i can remember the grandfather saying

it was wet
we had to bat
so we used the heavy roller
which brought all the water to the surface

which ruined their new ball

[B.M]

We are not pitch docking

We are just rolling one portion of the pitch and watering parts of it that suit us?!

Yep

That’s how you create a fair pitch

Has that ever been done in Aus? Eng? Ever in cricket before?!

It was ridiculous

Want a dry pitch, leave the whole fkn thing dry!…

Nope can’t do that
Because it brings seamers who bowl length into the game due to variable bounce?

It was obvious

They created a pitch for Ashwin and Jadeja

[shanegrambeau]

We are not pitch docking

We are just rolling one portion of the pitch and watering parts of it that suit us?!

Yep

That’s how you create a fair pitch

Has that ever been done in Aus? Eng? Ever in cricket before?!

It was ridiculous

Want a dry pitch, leave the whole fkn thing dry!…

Nope can’t do that
Because it brings seamers who bowl length into the game due to variable bounce?

It was obvious

They created a pitch for Ashwin and Jadeja

Seems so.

And the ChatGPT output suggests why. It reminds us of Jan 2021, when the Indians were crushed in the first test. The pitch doctoring started big time from the second test. In 2023, they weren't going to make the same mistake again. Right from the get-go, from the first day of the first test, there would be a work of art created by the groundkeepers.

But we wouldn't cheat, would we?

[asiu]

yes we would

if we could get away with it

thats the ... 'gentlemans art'







getting away with it , i meant

[asiu]

well within the Spirit of the Game

example

" of course !! i'm not bowling at the batsman's head Umpire
AND ... anyway ... even if i was , he's got a bat ffs"