Australia in India: Train Wreck?

[saynta]

Green just belted his maiden hundred. Great knock. The boy has arrived.

[saynta]

RIP Pat Cummins mum.

Tough time, thoughts with him and his family.

Sad.

[saynta]

Is Carey putting his wicket keeping job in danger?

[B.M]

Khawaja just proving again how ridiculous it was not picking him for years

Played 40 odd tests

Should’ve been 100+

[shanegrambeau]

https://www.youtube.com/live/0e5AYI3b9hY?feature=share

[saintsRrising]

This Test is heading for a draw which was pre-ordained by the wicket ordered up to virtually guarantee that India wins the series outright , rather that just retain it by being 2/2 and by being the current holder.

The other thing that a draw guarantees is that India plays in the World Test Final against Australia.

A "live" wicket could have given India the chance to win the test, but also the chance to lose it.

[shanegrambeau]

This Test is heading for a draw which was pre-ordained by the wicket ordered up to virtually guarantee that India wins the series outright , rather that just retain it by being 2/2 and by being the current holder.

The other thing that a draw guarantees is that India plays in the World Test Final against Australia.

A "live" wicket could have given India the chance to win the test, but also the chance to lose it.

um

How utterly unsurprising is it that the pitch is like this?


Or it it?

I know NOTHING about pitches and turf prep, but I do wonder, how long does I take to doctor a pitch?

One hypothesis is that the Indians prepared the fourth test wicket as a flat tracker, with the option of watering certain portions of the pitch.

Choosing Mitchell Stark ahead of Scott Boland - even that is a factor, for Mitchell leaves footmarks, as a left-hander bowling over the wicket, that will be massive trouble patches for a right-handed batter facing the Indian right handed offies.

On the other hand, it could mess the Indians up too.

Very interesting to see how the pitch deteriorates or if it doesn't. Mitchell and Green using reverse swing is nice but not good enough IMO.

[saintsRrising]

I know NOTHING about pitches and turf prep, but I do wonder, how long does I take to doctor a pitch?

It is very simple as in the centre there are a a number of pitches to chose from. All grounds have multiple pitches like this in order to allow multiple game over the cricket season as toy can simply just play again on a pitch that has been used for say 5 day test, or in Australia a Shield Match.

With this Test on two entirely different wickers were prepared during the week leading up to it, with even different soil types. Plus there were other pitches that also could have been used.

The groundskeeper can certainly prepare pitches to play in different ways. India has some very good spinners and so it was not at all surprising that all three earlier tests facourded spin. India has long had good spinners in the main and so it is hardly susprisng.

Also not sure what the they do in India, but drop in pitches may also be an option. They certainly are here in Oz.


PS. Here in Oz we have in the main had very good pace bowlers in recent times, and so surprise surprise (not) we in the main have wickets that favour pace over spin.

[shanegrambeau]

I know NOTHING about pitches and turf prep, but I do wonder, how long does I take to doctor a pitch?

It is very simple as in the centre there are a a number of pitches to chose from. All grounds have multiple pitches like this in order to allow multiple game over the cricket season as toy can simply just play again on a pitch that has been used for say 5 day test, or in Australia a Shield Match.

With this Test on two entirely different wickers were prepared during the week leading up to it, with even different soil types. Plus there were other pitches that also could have been used.

The groundskeeper can certainly prepare pitches to play in different ways. India has some very good spinners and so it was not at all surprising that all three earlier tests facourded spin. India has long had good spinners in the main and so it is hardly susprisng.

Also not sure what the they do in India, but drop in pitches may also be an option. They certainly are here in Oz.


PS. Here in Oz we have in the main had very good pace bowlers in recent times, and so surprise surprise (not) we in the main have wickets that favour pace over spin.

Yes, in Oz we certainly favor pace. Nathan Lyon (and I am biased of course) has such a beautiful drift and dip and it just always bugs me why he has an average of 31 whilst Jadeja and Ashiwin are spinners with averages of 23! That is an insane test average for a spinner. And it is not a freak - they both have over 250 test wickets! I think Ashen might have 300+! And they can bat too, Jadeja is a blood y allrounder! Incedible, unless you acknowledge the spinners paradise that Indian pitches are. I read that in the 1970s India had not three, but four specialist spinners in one team! imagine that? Four spinners! I can barely get my head around three.

[shanegrambeau]

Why doesn’t Smith try his leggies or Marnus’s ?

Some variation please!

[The_Dud]

This Test is heading for a draw which was pre-ordained by the wicket ordered up to virtually guarantee that India wins the series outright , rather that just retain it by being 2/2 and by being the current holder.

The other thing that a draw guarantees is that India plays in the World Test Final against Australia.

A "live" wicket could have given India the chance to win the test, but also the chance to lose it.

I think they need to win this Test to guarantee their spot.

[shanegrambeau]

This Test is heading for a draw which was pre-ordained by the wicket ordered up to virtually guarantee that India wins the series outright , rather that just retain it by being 2/2 and by being the current holder.

The other thing that a draw guarantees is that India plays in the World Test Final against Australia.

A "live" wicket could have given India the chance to win the test, but also the chance to lose it.

I think they need to win this Test to guarantee their spot.

Man

Maybe the Sri Lanka vs NZ has an inpact.

[shanegrambeau]

This Test is heading for a draw which was pre-ordained by the wicket ordered up to virtually guarantee that India wins the series outright , rather that just retain it by being 2/2 and by being the current holder.

The other thing that a draw guarantees is that India plays in the World Test Final against Australia.

A "live" wicket could have given India the chance to win the test, but also the chance to lose it.

I think they need to win this Test to guarantee their spot.

Man

Maybe the Sri Lanka vs NZ has an inpact.

[shanegrambeau]

As the sun sets over cricket..these guys give a reasonable shout out to the Aussies (boy do they give it to us when we are down
Jump to7:30 for a summary
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[The_Dud]

(I know this thread is in the wrong forum so feel free to move, but I had a reply and this is where it lives atm...)

For all those claiming India are on their own regarding influencing how home pitches are prepared...


England captain Ben Stokes has made a demand for “flat, fast” wickets for this year’s Ashes showdown with Australia to aid his team’s “Bazball” game plan which has turned Test cricket on its head.

Stokes has told groundsmen around England exactly what he wants to give his team the best chance of reclaiming the urn after drawing the last Ashes in the UK 2-2 then losing in Australia 4-0.

Curators at the five venues hosting Tests have been told to produce pitches conducive to England‘s style of play

“We’ve been very clear, especially with the ground staff around England, about what type of wickets we want,” Stokes told Sky Sports


https://www.news.com.au/sport/cricket/t ... e5424c6fed

[saynta]

Yeah. well, both England and India are both f****** cheats AFAIC. Who is surprprised ? Not I.

[B.M]

Very different

The pitches will be prepared the way they are - whether it be flat, green, bouncy, dry

But it’ll be uniform and doesn’t give either team a distinct advantage

India prepared a pitch to make it hard for lefties

They only rolled the centre so it was flat, so Australia had no advantage with pace

Didn’t roll the ends to give natural variation for their spinner
And it was unwatered outside the LH off stump due to Aus having 5 lefties in their top 7

Borderline cheating

Not in the spirit of Cricket imo

Create the pitch how you want - but it should be uniform and not disadvantage different players

[Killa]

The role of India needs to be addressed - now

They dictate that there is no competition takes place during the course of the IPL so International players are exclusively available to the IPL franchises

There are now reports they will expand the IPL, signing players to Contracts which come before any Contract with National bodies and making National representation subservient to IPL representation

So Test cricket and playing Test cricket is subservient to the IPL

Then you get to the doctoring of pitches, where you see spin bowlers opening the attack on Day 1 of a Test match (or bowling after only a couple of token Overs from fast bowlers)

India has financial clout - and they use it in every conceivable way

The ICC needs to respond and right now before India damages cricket beyond repair

Instead of being fore lock tuggers

[st.byron]

Very different

The pitches will be prepared the way they are - whether it be flat, green, bouncy, dry

But it’ll be uniform and doesn’t give either team a distinct advantage

India prepared a pitch to make it hard for lefties

They only rolled the centre so it was flat, so Australia had no advantage with pace

Didn’t roll the ends to give natural variation for their spinner
And it was unwatered outside the LH off stump due to Aus having 5 lefties in their top 7

Borderline cheating

Not in the spirit of Cricket imo

Create the pitch how you want - but it should be uniform and not disadvantage different players

I don't think that was borderline cheating. That was actual.cheating. Certainly not in any way sporting behaviour.

[Ghost Like]

As long as Alinta isn't involved, our Skipper will remain silent. Good bloke Pat, the Indians love him, the Poms love him, just don't mention the sponsors.

[The_Dud]

Very different

The pitches will be prepared the way they are - whether it be flat, green, bouncy, dry

But it’ll be uniform and doesn’t give either team a distinct advantage

India prepared a pitch to make it hard for lefties

They only rolled the centre so it was flat, so Australia had no advantage with pace

Didn’t roll the ends to give natural variation for their spinner
And it was unwatered outside the LH off stump due to Aus having 5 lefties in their top 7

Borderline cheating

Not in the spirit of Cricket imo

Create the pitch how you want - but it should be uniform and not disadvantage different players

Did the pitch play any differently for the left and right handers?

The answer is no it didn’t.

[B.M]

Absolutely did

Ashwin and I particular Jadeja were almost impossible to play for a lefty in the first test! It was ridiculous!!!I

[The_Dud]

Absolutely did

Ashwin and I particular Jadeja were almost impossible to play for a lefty in the first test! It was ridiculous!!!I

Funny how the Indian left handers didn’t seem to find it too difficult…

[B.M]

Which left handers were those?

KL Rahul - nope
Rohit - nope
Pujara - nope
Kohli - nope
Iyes - nope
Jadeja - Yes

[samuraisaint]

Opposition and general sports forum please.