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Sanctorum wrote: ↑Mon 27 Mar 2023 1:41pm
It is patently obvious that the reincarnated Ross Lyon has adopted a totally, (radically even) approach to coaching in the AFL, which I expect he would have outlined to the Board before he won the job.
Lyon has retained his hallmark high pressure zone/team defence but added fast ball movement and swarming field positioning to deliver the ball into attack and score.
That the players have bought into this so quickly is astonishing, especially with so many experienced players unavailable, and was not even evident in the two practice matches...it could be argued that perhaps this was made easier by the fact that under previous coaches St Kilda's game plans were barely discernible!
In both the Fremantle and Footscray encounters the Saints game plan has left opposition coaches totally perplexed and when their players had the ball they were unable to escape the immense pressure applied by St Kilda.
Inevitably other coaches will try to unravel St Kilda's game day strategies, but I'm confident that if Plan A fails Lyon & Co will roll out plans B, C, D or E, depending on circumstances prevailing at the time.
That’s because GOOD coaches matter
Yes list is important but TOP coaches get their teams to buy in unequivocally
Dal said yesterday - that’s what Lyon is a master at
You give effort he backs you
You don’t - you don’t play
No surprise Brad Hill avg 1.8 tackles a game last 3 seasons with us
This year he averages 4
That’s the difference a good coach makes
I can’t believe it took so many on here that long..
Anyhoo it’s not about this year ….get excited for 2-4
Top 4 …
evertonfc wrote: ↑Sun 26 Mar 2023 7:03pm
Ross Lyon is one of the most important figures in the history of St Kilda.
He may not win us a second flag, or he might win us our next three.
Either way, he is a sensational coach, and I wouldn't want anyone else in charge of our football club as we celebrate our 150th anniversary.
Hear bloody hear
And for some to suggest he’s not a good person when they have never met the bloke says a whole lot more about them
Either way he’s at our club and I’m super glad
No, I have never met him and am just going on what people who know him say. If you are not careful I might print some of those comments. All I'm concerned about at the moment is that the guy can coach.
No....I haven't changed my mind and I'm not about to declare he's brilliant or a super coach...I just think this sort of messiah worshipping is crap and has always been crap
I believed back in 2009/2010 that our list build and our playing group deserved more credit than the senior coach for our GF appearances
I won't be engaging on why I still believe this because it's been done to death in countless threads over the years.
Ross's mates in the media had pumped him up to be the best coach in the AFL around the time of our back to back Grand Finals and again just after Freo lost to Hawthorn in 2013
This was despite Clarko having secured 2 Flags, Fishlips Bomber Thompson getting 2 cups with Geelong, plus Horse getting the Swans to back to back GF's and being a premiership winning coach.
Before he became St Kilda coach (for the second time) no one would would have been surprised if I started a thread with a title like:
"Ross Lyon is a Dog"
But anyhoo...I can't do that know (plus I want him to actually achieve success) and most importantly... I think it's irrelevant to make any references to his personality. I simply believe that the true test of whether he can claim any 'greatness' will be revealed in the next few years
As far as this year is concerned, we are like a young colt who has achieved a couple of provincial wins in group 4 and group 3 races and there are people here and in the media about to proclaim we have the new "Makybe Diva"
Freo and the Dogs have issues with scoring. They have had these issues for quite a while. We will learn when we play some of the higher scoring and more attacking coaches where we sit among the top teams
But will do FA with the current list and it’s injuries
Once again forest for the trees…
It’s not about being 8-3 - I was saying last 8-3 we hadn’t played 4 quarters …..we now play 4 quarters …
Don’t quote the W/L as the great man says…that’s just feedback
Look with your eyes at the process
The side can defend
The side is far and away better at transitioning the ball
With 1/3rd of its list injured FFS
Ratten didn’t contend with that !
I am so happy with what I have seen so far. There is one particular poster who will be hoping he fails so he can say I told you so but I don’t think we have to worry about that. Ross is going to take this side into the finals
As the season was rolls on You can revisit this and stick it up me if I’m wrong but I feel very safe.
Injuries will fast track our young depth. I have a good feeling about the present and future
Ignore the dickheads who sit on the fence and spruik negativity while big noting after the fact
The Fireman wrote: ↑Mon 27 Mar 2023 8:02pm
I am so happy with what I have seen so far. There is one particular poster who will be hoping he fails so he can say I told you so but I don’t think we have to worry about that. Ross is going to take this side into the finals
As the season was rolls on You can revisit this and stick it up me if I’m wrong but I feel very safe.
Injuries will fast track our young depth. I have a good feeling about the present and future
Ignore the dickheads who sit on the fence and spruik negativity while big noting after the fact
RTB is the man
You are so feisty this season, so good to see the passion, I remember last year you threw ya toys out of the cot and threatened to stop supporting the Saints so just so happy for you to turn it around and get that passion back.
The Fireman wrote: ↑Mon 27 Mar 2023 8:02pm
I am so happy with what I have seen so far. There is one particular poster who will be hoping he fails so he can say I told you so but I don’t think we have to worry about that. Ross is going to take this side into the finals
As the season was rolls on You can revisit this and stick it up me if I’m wrong but I feel very safe.
Injuries will fast track our young depth. I have a good feeling about the present and future
Ignore the dickheads who sit on the fence and spruik negativity while big noting after the fact
RTB is the man
You are so feisty this season, so good to see the passion, I remember last year you threw ya toys out of the cot and threatened to stop supporting the Saints so just so happy for you to turn it around and get that passion back.
I think it gets back to what I was saying before about the ability to judge what is eventuating. Last year, I predicted, nothing but doom and gloom and what eventuated?
Unlike you I can see success on the way Get on board or stick with Collingwood
Ross is listening to the other coaches. Really listening. Brett ran the show and pretty well only gave lip service to the assistants. That’s the big difference. There will be ups and downs this year, but it’s going to be fun.
tony74 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Mar 2023 9:06pm
Ross is listening to the other coaches. Really listening. Brett ran the show and pretty well only gave lip service to the assistants. That’s the big difference. There will be ups and downs this year, but it’s going to be fun.
tony74 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Mar 2023 9:06pm
Ross is listening to the other coaches. Really listening. Brett ran the show and pretty well only gave lip service to the assistants. That’s the big difference. There will be ups and downs this year, but it’s going to be fun.
I wonder if that’s the difference (or perhaps “A” difference).
I really rate Hayes and Enright, Harvey has serious cred and Goddard certainly has the work ethic and seemingly the smarts.
Version 1.0 always seemed autocratic… maybe his help wasn’t that great as I don’t think many of his assistants went on to great things.
Perhaps he actually is benefiting from having quality help whilst guiding them but still making the big decisions.
B.M wrote: ↑Mon 27 Mar 2023 8:50pm
Ratten never had injuries
Hmm
Do some research… of course he did… and players missing important games for family reasons.
Let’s not lose sight of the fact he went at 50% or better with basically the current list
We beat Freo at Optus last season Dont forget
Ratten had 16 on the injury list 2 rounds in???
Try again
And stop doing lane W/L analysis
We are far far better drilled and anyone who knows anything bout footy can see it
tony74 wrote: ↑Mon 27 Mar 2023 9:06pm
Ross is listening to the other coaches. Really listening. Brett ran the show and pretty well only gave lip service to the assistants. That’s the big difference. There will be ups and downs this year, but it’s going to be fun.
B.M wrote: ↑Mon 27 Mar 2023 8:52pm
I think Lyon is a far better coach - and has better assistants- who are not getting enough credit
But players win games of footy - coaches are nothing without good ones
Yes yes we saw that with Brett when he allowed players to do their own pre season…
Structure and clarity from coaches, team selection and the right player to position match ups are all BS
I mean Battle should still be on a wing right??
