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[Sydney] don’t spend years flogging dead horses hoping their skills or decision making improves…
Totally agree with this Teffers. It's why I feel we should be adopting some of their list strategy processes such as having a portion of the list reserved for higher turnover of players who where "longer" and more "speculative" types. Even with sporting grants from the government, players like Peris for mine are way too speculative as it appears he will need much longer than my suggested 2 year time frame.
Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate. As you know I don’t agree with your 2 year time frame, many others don’t as well. We also need to consider the age of the player when brought into the club’s system. Perhaps they are grabbing players who are young before any other club signs them, and thus due to their age require more time.
I would appreciate a comment from someone who is closer to this. B.M are you there?
Just because you disagree doesn't necessarily mean you are right I mentioned Sydney as one club that has a similar strategy within their overall strategy. Sydney is a great example of having a diverse recruitment strategy, pretty sure I've read B.Ms views on having a diverse recruitment strategy.
We have a reputation for hanging onto project players too long, mostly as a result of being run poorly in every department. Hoping Ross has evolved in this area.
Byrnes, Bytel and Connolly are examples of players who need tough calls on this year if they don't step up and prove they can play in a GF team.
Sharman is another, if he's still languishing at Sandy in the second year of his 2 year contract then it will be enough of a look to make a call.
What industry are you in?
How'd you go in your first 2-3 years?
Were you a pro who was as productive and valuable as other more seasoned employees?
Some players require more time. Cooper or Ryan could perhaps be in that category.
I had a look at Darragh Joyce's career games and I saw a guy who never gained any continuity. How do you expect a bloke to gain experience and confidence if he's in one week and out the next?
I'm hoping for St Kilda's sake that he is a big fail at Brisbane, but it would be ironic if they play him for 6-7 games in a row and he secures another contract beyond 2023
[Sydney] don’t spend years flogging dead horses hoping their skills or decision making improves…
Totally agree with this Teffers. It's why I feel we should be adopting some of their list strategy processes such as having a portion of the list reserved for higher turnover of players who where "longer" and more "speculative" types. Even with sporting grants from the government, players like Peris for mine are way too speculative as it appears he will need much longer than my suggested 2 year time frame.
Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate. As you know I don’t agree with your 2 year time frame, many others don’t as well. We also need to consider the age of the player when brought into the club’s system. Perhaps they are grabbing players who are young before any other club signs them, and thus due to their age require more time.
I would appreciate a comment from someone who is closer to this. B.M are you there?
Just because you disagree doesn't necessarily mean you are right I mentioned Sydney as one club that has a similar strategy within their overall strategy. Sydney is a great example of having a diverse recruitment strategy, pretty sure I've read B.Ms views on having a diverse recruitment strategy.
We have a reputation for hanging onto project players too long, mostly as a result of being run poorly in every department. Hoping Ross has evolved in this area.
Byrnes, Bytel and Connolly are examples of players who need tough calls on this year if they don't step up and prove they can play in a GF team.
Sharman is another, if he's still languishing at Sandy in the second year of his 2 year contract then it will be enough of a look to make a call.
And just because you post something on here does not necessarily mean that it is correct also. I think your 2 year rule is a bit harsh but you’re entitled to your view, just as I am to mine.
Sydney do seem to get it right and like all here we want the Saints to do better in this area.
The forum is about expression of ideas, views and opinions. Please don’t fall back into being combative and sniping.
Rugby League would have to be the stupidest, most moronic and over rated game of all time.
[Sydney] don’t spend years flogging dead horses hoping their skills or decision making improves…
Totally agree with this Teffers. It's why I feel we should be adopting some of their list strategy processes such as having a portion of the list reserved for higher turnover of players who where "longer" and more "speculative" types. Even with sporting grants from the government, players like Peris for mine are way too speculative as it appears he will need much longer than my suggested 2 year time frame.
Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate. As you know I don’t agree with your 2 year time frame, many others don’t as well. We also need to consider the age of the player when brought into the club’s system. Perhaps they are grabbing players who are young before any other club signs them, and thus due to their age require more time.
I would appreciate a comment from someone who is closer to this. B.M are you there?
Just because you disagree doesn't necessarily mean you are right I mentioned Sydney as one club that has a similar strategy within their overall strategy. Sydney is a great example of having a diverse recruitment strategy, pretty sure I've read B.Ms views on having a diverse recruitment strategy.
We have a reputation for hanging onto project players too long, mostly as a result of being run poorly in every department. Hoping Ross has evolved in this area.
Byrnes, Bytel and Connolly are examples of players who need tough calls on this year if they don't step up and prove they can play in a GF team.
Sharman is another, if he's still languishing at Sandy in the second year of his 2 year contract then it will be enough of a look to make a call.
And just because you post something on here does not necessarily mean that it is correct also. I think your 2 year rule is a bit harsh but you’re entitled to your view, just as I am to mine.
Sydney do seem to get it right and like all here we want the Saints to do better in this area.
The forum is about expression of ideas, views and opinions. Please don’t fall back into being combative and sniping.
Yes it is about ideas, views and opinions, please learn to accept that sometimes it's best not to always be confrontive if you are finding it challenging in accepting other posters points of view. Now let's just leave it at that.
Now back on the footy, I accept my view is harsh, but that is hopefully what the new regime is all about, and I know other clubs (successful clubs) employ the strategy to great effect, Sydney is one example as highlighted by Teffers. And the other thing I'd suggest when considering new ideas is always use an appropriate reference point, meaning look to how the successful clubs go about recruitment, definitely don't use our club for examples of good recruiting. And definitely don't repeat the same mistake and expect a different result, so rather than "speculate to accumulate, can I suggest a more progressive saying and that is "innovate" to accumulate.
[Sydney] don’t spend years flogging dead horses hoping their skills or decision making improves…
Totally agree with this Teffers. It's why I feel we should be adopting some of their list strategy processes such as having a portion of the list reserved for higher turnover of players who where "longer" and more "speculative" types. Even with sporting grants from the government, players like Peris for mine are way too speculative as it appears he will need much longer than my suggested 2 year time frame.
Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate. As you know I don’t agree with your 2 year time frame, many others don’t as well. We also need to consider the age of the player when brought into the club’s system. Perhaps they are grabbing players who are young before any other club signs them, and thus due to their age require more time.
I would appreciate a comment from someone who is closer to this. B.M are you there?
Just because you disagree doesn't necessarily mean you are right I mentioned Sydney as one club that has a similar strategy within their overall strategy. Sydney is a great example of having a diverse recruitment strategy, pretty sure I've read B.Ms views on having a diverse recruitment strategy.
We have a reputation for hanging onto project players too long, mostly as a result of being run poorly in every department. Hoping Ross has evolved in this area.
Byrnes, Bytel and Connolly are examples of players who need tough calls on this year if they don't step up and prove they can play in a GF team.
Sharman is another, if he's still languishing at Sandy in the second year of his 2 year contract then it will be enough of a look to make a call.
What industry are you in?
How'd you go in your first 2-3 years?
Were you a pro who was as productive and valuable as other more seasoned employees?
Some players require more time. Cooper or Ryan could perhaps be in that category.
I had a look at Darragh Joyce's career games and I saw a guy who never gained any continuity. How do you expect a bloke to gain experience and confidence if he's in one week and out the next?
I'm hoping for St Kilda's sake that he is a big fail at Brisbane, but it would be ironic if they play him for 6-7 games in a row and he secures another contract beyond 2023
To answer your question, and this may sound conceited, I'm in the money making business, within the first year of graduation I was being promoted ahead of senior staff with more than 20 years experience, by the age of 27 I was considered by my peers to be one of the best in the industry. I hope that helps you understand why I have the view I do about the 2 year strategy and I know it is a strategy employed at other clubs. Doesn't have to be a hard and fast rule without any wriggle room, but we have a reputation for keeping players on the list well beyond accepting they probably won't ever become a grand final type player. Joyce is a fantastic example, who at any stage of his time at our club thought he would eventually wear a premiership medallion around his neck?
[Sydney] don’t spend years flogging dead horses hoping their skills or decision making improves…
Totally agree with this Teffers. It's why I feel we should be adopting some of their list strategy processes such as having a portion of the list reserved for higher turnover of players who where "longer" and more "speculative" types. Even with sporting grants from the government, players like Peris for mine are way too speculative as it appears he will need much longer than my suggested 2 year time frame.
Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate. As you know I don’t agree with your 2 year time frame, many others don’t as well. We also need to consider the age of the player when brought into the club’s system. Perhaps they are grabbing players who are young before any other club signs them, and thus due to their age require more time.
I would appreciate a comment from someone who is closer to this. B.M are you there?
Just because you disagree doesn't necessarily mean you are right I mentioned Sydney as one club that has a similar strategy within their overall strategy. Sydney is a great example of having a diverse recruitment strategy, pretty sure I've read B.Ms views on having a diverse recruitment strategy.
We have a reputation for hanging onto project players too long, mostly as a result of being run poorly in every department. Hoping Ross has evolved in this area.
Byrnes, Bytel and Connolly are examples of players who need tough calls on this year if they don't step up and prove they can play in a GF team.
Sharman is another, if he's still languishing at Sandy in the second year of his 2 year contract then it will be enough of a look to make a call.
And just because you post something on here does not necessarily mean that it is correct also. I think your 2 year rule is a bit harsh but you’re entitled to your view, just as I am to mine.
Sydney do seem to get it right and like all here we want the Saints to do better in this area.
The forum is about expression of ideas, views and opinions. Please don’t fall back into being combative and sniping.
Yes it is about ideas, views and opinions, please learn to accept that sometimes it's best not to always be confrontive if you are finding it challenging in accepting other posters points of view. Now let's just leave it at that.
Now back on the footy, I accept my view is harsh, but that is hopefully what the new regime is all about, and I know other clubs (successful clubs) employ the strategy to great effect, Sydney is one example as highlighted by Teffers. And the other thing I'd suggest when considering new ideas is always use an appropriate reference point, meaning look to how the successful clubs go about recruitment, definitely don't use our club for examples of good recruiting. And definitely don't repeat the same mistake and expect a different result, so rather than "speculate to accumulate, can I suggest a more progressive saying and that is "innovate" to accumulate.
I am not being confrontational at all. I accept that you have your view just as you should accept that I have mine. They are different and that is no big deal. We all need to understand that none of us are correct 100% of the time.
Rugby League would have to be the stupidest, most moronic and over rated game of all time.
[Sydney] don’t spend years flogging dead horses hoping their skills or decision making improves…
Totally agree with this Teffers. It's why I feel we should be adopting some of their list strategy processes such as having a portion of the list reserved for higher turnover of players who where "longer" and more "speculative" types. Even with sporting grants from the government, players like Peris for mine are way too speculative as it appears he will need much longer than my suggested 2 year time frame.
Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate. As you know I don’t agree with your 2 year time frame, many others don’t as well. We also need to consider the age of the player when brought into the club’s system. Perhaps they are grabbing players who are young before any other club signs them, and thus due to their age require more time.
I would appreciate a comment from someone who is closer to this. B.M are you there?
Just because you disagree doesn't necessarily mean you are right I mentioned Sydney as one club that has a similar strategy within their overall strategy. Sydney is a great example of having a diverse recruitment strategy, pretty sure I've read B.Ms views on having a diverse recruitment strategy.
We have a reputation for hanging onto project players too long, mostly as a result of being run poorly in every department. Hoping Ross has evolved in this area.
Byrnes, Bytel and Connolly are examples of players who need tough calls on this year if they don't step up and prove they can play in a GF team.
Sharman is another, if he's still languishing at Sandy in the second year of his 2 year contract then it will be enough of a look to make a call.
What industry are you in?
How'd you go in your first 2-3 years?
Were you a pro who was as productive and valuable as other more seasoned employees?
Some players require more time. Cooper or Ryan could perhaps be in that category.
I had a look at Darragh Joyce's career games and I saw a guy who never gained any continuity. How do you expect a bloke to gain experience and confidence if he's in one week and out the next?
I'm hoping for St Kilda's sake that he is a big fail at Brisbane, but it would be ironic if they play him for 6-7 games in a row and he secures another contract beyond 2023
To answer your question, and this may sound conceited, I'm in the money making business, within the first year of graduation I was being promoted ahead of senior staff with more than 20 years experience, by the age of 27 I was considered by my peers to be one of the best in the industry. I hope that helps you understand why I have the view I do about the 2 year strategy and I know it is a strategy employed at other clubs. Doesn't have to be a hard and fast rule without any wriggle room, but we have a reputation for keeping players on the list well beyond accepting they probably won't ever become a grand final type player. Joyce is a fantastic example, who at any stage of his time at our club thought he would eventually wear a premiership medallion around his neck?
And he still might. Blowing your ridiculous theory sky high.
[Sydney] don’t spend years flogging dead horses hoping their skills or decision making improves…
Totally agree with this Teffers. It's why I feel we should be adopting some of their list strategy processes such as having a portion of the list reserved for higher turnover of players who where "longer" and more "speculative" types. Even with sporting grants from the government, players like Peris for mine are way too speculative as it appears he will need much longer than my suggested 2 year time frame.
Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate. As you know I don’t agree with your 2 year time frame, many others don’t as well. We also need to consider the age of the player when brought into the club’s system. Perhaps they are grabbing players who are young before any other club signs them, and thus due to their age require more time.
I would appreciate a comment from someone who is closer to this. B.M are you there?
Just because you disagree doesn't necessarily mean you are right I mentioned Sydney as one club that has a similar strategy within their overall strategy. Sydney is a great example of having a diverse recruitment strategy, pretty sure I've read B.Ms views on having a diverse recruitment strategy.
We have a reputation for hanging onto project players too long, mostly as a result of being run poorly in every department. Hoping Ross has evolved in this area.
Byrnes, Bytel and Connolly are examples of players who need tough calls on this year if they don't step up and prove they can play in a GF team.
Sharman is another, if he's still languishing at Sandy in the second year of his 2 year contract then it will be enough of a look to make a call.
What industry are you in?
How'd you go in your first 2-3 years?
Were you a pro who was as productive and valuable as other more seasoned employees?
Some players require more time. Cooper or Ryan could perhaps be in that category.
I had a look at Darragh Joyce's career games and I saw a guy who never gained any continuity. How do you expect a bloke to gain experience and confidence if he's in one week and out the next?
I'm hoping for St Kilda's sake that he is a big fail at Brisbane, but it would be ironic if they play him for 6-7 games in a row and he secures another contract beyond 2023
To answer your question, and this may sound conceited, I'm in the money making business, within the first year of graduation I was being promoted ahead of senior staff with more than 20 years experience, by the age of 27 I was considered by my peers to be one of the best in the industry. I hope that helps you understand why I have the view I do about the 2 year strategy and I know it is a strategy employed at other clubs. Doesn't have to be a hard and fast rule without any wriggle room, but we have a reputation for keeping players on the list well beyond accepting they probably won't ever become a grand final type player. Joyce is a fantastic example, who at any stage of his time at our club thought he would eventually wear a premiership medallion around his neck?
And he still might. Blowing your ridiculous theory sky high.
Please refrain from attacking posters with insults, St.Byron would appreciate it very much and so would I.
[Sydney] don’t spend years flogging dead horses hoping their skills or decision making improves…
Totally agree with this Teffers. It's why I feel we should be adopting some of their list strategy processes such as having a portion of the list reserved for higher turnover of players who where "longer" and more "speculative" types. Even with sporting grants from the government, players like Peris for mine are way too speculative as it appears he will need much longer than my suggested 2 year time frame.
Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate. As you know I don’t agree with your 2 year time frame, many others don’t as well. We also need to consider the age of the player when brought into the club’s system. Perhaps they are grabbing players who are young before any other club signs them, and thus due to their age require more time.
I would appreciate a comment from someone who is closer to this. B.M are you there?
Just because you disagree doesn't necessarily mean you are right I mentioned Sydney as one club that has a similar strategy within their overall strategy. Sydney is a great example of having a diverse recruitment strategy, pretty sure I've read B.Ms views on having a diverse recruitment strategy.
We have a reputation for hanging onto project players too long, mostly as a result of being run poorly in every department. Hoping Ross has evolved in this area.
Byrnes, Bytel and Connolly are examples of players who need tough calls on this year if they don't step up and prove they can play in a GF team.
Sharman is another, if he's still languishing at Sandy in the second year of his 2 year contract then it will be enough of a look to make a call.
What industry are you in?
How'd you go in your first 2-3 years?
Were you a pro who was as productive and valuable as other more seasoned employees?
Some players require more time. Cooper or Ryan could perhaps be in that category.
I had a look at Darragh Joyce's career games and I saw a guy who never gained any continuity. How do you expect a bloke to gain experience and confidence if he's in one week and out the next?
I'm hoping for St Kilda's sake that he is a big fail at Brisbane, but it would be ironic if they play him for 6-7 games in a row and he secures another contract beyond 2023
To answer your question, and this may sound conceited, I'm in the money making business, within the first year of graduation I was being promoted ahead of senior staff with more than 20 years experience, by the age of 27 I was considered by my peers to be one of the best in the industry. I hope that helps you understand why I have the view I do about the 2 year strategy and I know it is a strategy employed at other clubs. Doesn't have to be a hard and fast rule without any wriggle room, but we have a reputation for keeping players on the list well beyond accepting they probably won't ever become a grand final type player. Joyce is a fantastic example, who at any stage of his time at our club thought he would eventually wear a premiership medallion around his neck?
And he still might. Blowing your ridiculous theory sky high.
Indeed he might.
St Kilda has lost many fringe players that have gone on to greatness.
Yabby Jeans told Mick Malthouse he wasn't much chop and could expect plenty of Reserves games.
121 games at Richmond. Flag.
Saints (in Malthouse's stint at Richmond) 4 Wooden Spoons, 11th twice, 10th once (out of 12 teams)
[Sydney] don’t spend years flogging dead horses hoping their skills or decision making improves…
Totally agree with this Teffers. It's why I feel we should be adopting some of their list strategy processes such as having a portion of the list reserved for higher turnover of players who where "longer" and more "speculative" types. Even with sporting grants from the government, players like Peris for mine are way too speculative as it appears he will need much longer than my suggested 2 year time frame.
Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate. As you know I don’t agree with your 2 year time frame, many others don’t as well. We also need to consider the age of the player when brought into the club’s system. Perhaps they are grabbing players who are young before any other club signs them, and thus due to their age require more time.
I would appreciate a comment from someone who is closer to this. B.M are you there?
Just because you disagree doesn't necessarily mean you are right I mentioned Sydney as one club that has a similar strategy within their overall strategy. Sydney is a great example of having a diverse recruitment strategy, pretty sure I've read B.Ms views on having a diverse recruitment strategy.
We have a reputation for hanging onto project players too long, mostly as a result of being run poorly in every department. Hoping Ross has evolved in this area.
Byrnes, Bytel and Connolly are examples of players who need tough calls on this year if they don't step up and prove they can play in a GF team.
Sharman is another, if he's still languishing at Sandy in the second year of his 2 year contract then it will be enough of a look to make a call.
What industry are you in?
How'd you go in your first 2-3 years?
Were you a pro who was as productive and valuable as other more seasoned employees?
Some players require more time. Cooper or Ryan could perhaps be in that category.
I had a look at Darragh Joyce's career games and I saw a guy who never gained any continuity. How do you expect a bloke to gain experience and confidence if he's in one week and out the next?
I'm hoping for St Kilda's sake that he is a big fail at Brisbane, but it would be ironic if they play him for 6-7 games in a row and he secures another contract beyond 2023
To answer your question, and this may sound conceited, I'm in the money making business, within the first year of graduation I was being promoted ahead of senior staff with more than 20 years experience, by the age of 27 I was considered by my peers to be one of the best in the industry. I hope that helps you understand why I have the view I do about the 2 year strategy and I know it is a strategy employed at other clubs. Doesn't have to be a hard and fast rule without any wriggle room, but we have a reputation for keeping players on the list well beyond accepting they probably won't ever become a grand final type player. Joyce is a fantastic example, who at any stage of his time at our club thought he would eventually wear a premiership medallion around his neck?
And he still might. Blowing your ridiculous theory sky high.
Please refrain from attacking posters with insults, St.Byron would appreciate it very much and so would I.
And you should not be judgemental of others.
Rugby League would have to be the stupidest, most moronic and over rated game of all time.
Sydney provided St Kilda with Hannebery, Membrey and Jones (noting Hannebery polled 3 Brownlow votes in his final game and versus Sydney)
St Kilda provided Sydney with Hickey and McCartin
Sydney provided a Dad’s Army Geelong with their first premiership in how many years - and were thrashed in the process
Puts Sydney’s effort into perspective hey?
We will see what 2023 brings for all 18 sides
Should St Kilda have followed the Geelong model, recruiting veterans to add to their veterans whilst delisting younger players untried whilst at Geelong
Given Geelong finally won a premiership with the oldest side to achieve premiership success
Noting that Geelong in the passage of any season have an advantage in advance of interstate Clubs who share their venue and that this is a distinct advantage in qualifying for finals in the first place
And ask Ling about after football business opportunities which Geelong offer to players, those business opportunities in Geelong, a Regional City
[Sydney] don’t spend years flogging dead horses hoping their skills or decision making improves…
Totally agree with this Teffers. It's why I feel we should be adopting some of their list strategy processes such as having a portion of the list reserved for higher turnover of players who where "longer" and more "speculative" types. Even with sporting grants from the government, players like Peris for mine are way too speculative as it appears he will need much longer than my suggested 2 year time frame.
Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate. As you know I don’t agree with your 2 year time frame, many others don’t as well. We also need to consider the age of the player when brought into the club’s system. Perhaps they are grabbing players who are young before any other club signs them, and thus due to their age require more time.
I would appreciate a comment from someone who is closer to this. B.M are you there?
Just because you disagree doesn't necessarily mean you are right I mentioned Sydney as one club that has a similar strategy within their overall strategy. Sydney is a great example of having a diverse recruitment strategy, pretty sure I've read B.Ms views on having a diverse recruitment strategy.
We have a reputation for hanging onto project players too long, mostly as a result of being run poorly in every department. Hoping Ross has evolved in this area.
Byrnes, Bytel and Connolly are examples of players who need tough calls on this year if they don't step up and prove they can play in a GF team.
Sharman is another, if he's still languishing at Sandy in the second year of his 2 year contract then it will be enough of a look to make a call.
What industry are you in?
How'd you go in your first 2-3 years?
Were you a pro who was as productive and valuable as other more seasoned employees?
Some players require more time. Cooper or Ryan could perhaps be in that category.
I had a look at Darragh Joyce's career games and I saw a guy who never gained any continuity. How do you expect a bloke to gain experience and confidence if he's in one week and out the next?
I'm hoping for St Kilda's sake that he is a big fail at Brisbane, but it would be ironic if they play him for 6-7 games in a row and he secures another contract beyond 2023
To answer your question, and this may sound conceited, I'm in the money making business, within the first year of graduation I was being promoted ahead of senior staff with more than 20 years experience, by the age of 27 I was considered by my peers to be one of the best in the industry. I hope that helps you understand why I have the view I do about the 2 year strategy and I know it is a strategy employed at other clubs. Doesn't have to be a hard and fast rule without any wriggle room, but we have a reputation for keeping players on the list well beyond accepting they probably won't ever become a grand final type player. Joyce is a fantastic example, who at any stage of his time at our club thought he would eventually wear a premiership medallion around his neck?
And he still might. Blowing your ridiculous theory sky high.
Please refrain from attacking posters with insults, St.Byron would appreciate it very much and so would I.
And you should not be judgemental of others.
I'm not judging anyone, St.Byron has set the tone for how he will apply the rules I have asked him to apply them consistently and without bias and to his credit he seems to be doing that so that means I am entitled to not be relentlessly targeted by posters like yourself with yet another post that is not about the footy. Clearly you enjoy baiting because I note you have a one week ban for starting a thread specifically to bait a poster so that suggests you enjoy baiting. I am not judging Sayntas post I am just going to highlight any post directed towards me that doesn't comply with the rules and St.Byrons strict and consistent policing of said rules in an effort to protect myself.
May I suggest you stick to posting solely about the footy because anymore non footy posts from you and I will report it.
I used to think this sparing on forums was pointless, but now, I see a point in it.
Within limits..it keeps us sharp and calibrated...it defines the rules of a community..we have to fight to belong...and that may be healthy somehow..
[Sydney] don’t spend years flogging dead horses hoping their skills or decision making improves…
Totally agree with this Teffers. It's why I feel we should be adopting some of their list strategy processes such as having a portion of the list reserved for higher turnover of players who where "longer" and more "speculative" types. Even with sporting grants from the government, players like Peris for mine are way too speculative as it appears he will need much longer than my suggested 2 year time frame.
Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate. As you know I don’t agree with your 2 year time frame, many others don’t as well. We also need to consider the age of the player when brought into the club’s system. Perhaps they are grabbing players who are young before any other club signs them, and thus due to their age require more time.
I would appreciate a comment from someone who is closer to this. B.M are you there?
Just because you disagree doesn't necessarily mean you are right I mentioned Sydney as one club that has a similar strategy within their overall strategy. Sydney is a great example of having a diverse recruitment strategy, pretty sure I've read B.Ms views on having a diverse recruitment strategy.
We have a reputation for hanging onto project players too long, mostly as a result of being run poorly in every department. Hoping Ross has evolved in this area.
Byrnes, Bytel and Connolly are examples of players who need tough calls on this year if they don't step up and prove they can play in a GF team.
Sharman is another, if he's still languishing at Sandy in the second year of his 2 year contract then it will be enough of a look to make a call.
What industry are you in?
How'd you go in your first 2-3 years?
Were you a pro who was as productive and valuable as other more seasoned employees?
Some players require more time. Cooper or Ryan could perhaps be in that category.
I had a look at Darragh Joyce's career games and I saw a guy who never gained any continuity. How do you expect a bloke to gain experience and confidence if he's in one week and out the next?
I'm hoping for St Kilda's sake that he is a big fail at Brisbane, but it would be ironic if they play him for 6-7 games in a row and he secures another contract beyond 2023
To answer your question, and this may sound conceited, I'm in the money making business, within the first year of graduation I was being promoted ahead of senior staff with more than 20 years experience, by the age of 27 I was considered by my peers to be one of the best in the industry. I hope that helps you understand why I have the view I do about the 2 year strategy and I know it is a strategy employed at other clubs. Doesn't have to be a hard and fast rule without any wriggle room, but we have a reputation for keeping players on the list well beyond accepting they probably won't ever become a grand final type player. Joyce is a fantastic example, who at any stage of his time at our club thought he would eventually wear a premiership medallion around his neck?
And he still might. Blowing your ridiculous theory sky high.
Please refrain from attacking posters with insults, St.Byron would appreciate it very much and so would I.
And you should not be judgemental of others.
I'm not judging anyone, St.Byron has set the tone for how he will apply the rules I have asked him to apply them consistently and without bias and to his credit he seems to be doing that so that means I am entitled to not be relentlessly targeted by posters like yourself with yet another post that is not about the footy. Clearly you enjoy baiting because I note you have a one week ban for starting a thread specifically to bait a poster so that suggests you enjoy baiting. I am not judging Sayntas post I am just going to highlight any post directed towards me that doesn't comply with the rules and St.Byrons strict and consistent policing of said rules in an effort to protect myself.
May I suggest you stick to posting solely about the footy because anymore non footy posts from you and I will report it.
Duly noted. Consider yourself on notice as well.
Rugby League would have to be the stupidest, most moronic and over rated game of all time.
[Sydney] don’t spend years flogging dead horses hoping their skills or decision making improves…
Totally agree with this Teffers. It's why I feel we should be adopting some of their list strategy processes such as having a portion of the list reserved for higher turnover of players who where "longer" and more "speculative" types. Even with sporting grants from the government, players like Peris for mine are way too speculative as it appears he will need much longer than my suggested 2 year time frame.
Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate. As you know I don’t agree with your 2 year time frame, many others don’t as well. We also need to consider the age of the player when brought into the club’s system. Perhaps they are grabbing players who are young before any other club signs them, and thus due to their age require more time.
I would appreciate a comment from someone who is closer to this. B.M are you there?
Just because you disagree doesn't necessarily mean you are right I mentioned Sydney as one club that has a similar strategy within their overall strategy. Sydney is a great example of having a diverse recruitment strategy, pretty sure I've read B.Ms views on having a diverse recruitment strategy.
We have a reputation for hanging onto project players too long, mostly as a result of being run poorly in every department. Hoping Ross has evolved in this area.
Byrnes, Bytel and Connolly are examples of players who need tough calls on this year if they don't step up and prove they can play in a GF team.
Sharman is another, if he's still languishing at Sandy in the second year of his 2 year contract then it will be enough of a look to make a call.
What industry are you in?
How'd you go in your first 2-3 years?
Were you a pro who was as productive and valuable as other more seasoned employees?
Some players require more time. Cooper or Ryan could perhaps be in that category.
I had a look at Darragh Joyce's career games and I saw a guy who never gained any continuity. How do you expect a bloke to gain experience and confidence if he's in one week and out the next?
I'm hoping for St Kilda's sake that he is a big fail at Brisbane, but it would be ironic if they play him for 6-7 games in a row and he secures another contract beyond 2023
To answer your question, and this may sound conceited, I'm in the money making business, within the first year of graduation I was being promoted ahead of senior staff with more than 20 years experience, by the age of 27 I was considered by my peers to be one of the best in the industry. I hope that helps you understand why I have the view I do about the 2 year strategy and I know it is a strategy employed at other clubs. Doesn't have to be a hard and fast rule without any wriggle room, but we have a reputation for keeping players on the list well beyond accepting they probably won't ever become a grand final type player. Joyce is a fantastic example, who at any stage of his time at our club thought he would eventually wear a premiership medallion around his neck?
And he still might. Blowing your ridiculous theory sky high.
Please refrain from attacking posters with insults, St.Byron would appreciate it very much and so would I.
And you should not be judgemental of others.
I'm not judging anyone, St.Byron has set the tone for how he will apply the rules I have asked him to apply them consistently and without bias and to his credit he seems to be doing that so that means I am entitled to not be relentlessly targeted by posters like yourself with yet another post that is not about the footy. Clearly you enjoy baiting because I note you have a one week ban for starting a thread specifically to bait a poster so that suggests you enjoy baiting. I am not judging Sayntas post I am just going to highlight any post directed towards me that doesn't comply with the rules and St.Byrons strict and consistent policing of said rules in an effort to protect myself.
May I suggest you stick to posting solely about the footy because anymore non footy posts from you and I will report it.
Duly noted. Consider yourself on notice as well.
reported, a threat that is not footy related aimed at baiting.
[Sydney] don’t spend years flogging dead horses hoping their skills or decision making improves…
Totally agree with this Teffers. It's why I feel we should be adopting some of their list strategy processes such as having a portion of the list reserved for higher turnover of players who where "longer" and more "speculative" types. Even with sporting grants from the government, players like Peris for mine are way too speculative as it appears he will need much longer than my suggested 2 year time frame.
Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate. As you know I don’t agree with your 2 year time frame, many others don’t as well. We also need to consider the age of the player when brought into the club’s system. Perhaps they are grabbing players who are young before any other club signs them, and thus due to their age require more time.
I would appreciate a comment from someone who is closer to this. B.M are you there?
Just because you disagree doesn't necessarily mean you are right I mentioned Sydney as one club that has a similar strategy within their overall strategy. Sydney is a great example of having a diverse recruitment strategy, pretty sure I've read B.Ms views on having a diverse recruitment strategy.
We have a reputation for hanging onto project players too long, mostly as a result of being run poorly in every department. Hoping Ross has evolved in this area.
Byrnes, Bytel and Connolly are examples of players who need tough calls on this year if they don't step up and prove they can play in a GF team.
Sharman is another, if he's still languishing at Sandy in the second year of his 2 year contract then it will be enough of a look to make a call.
What industry are you in?
How'd you go in your first 2-3 years?
Were you a pro who was as productive and valuable as other more seasoned employees?
Some players require more time. Cooper or Ryan could perhaps be in that category.
I had a look at Darragh Joyce's career games and I saw a guy who never gained any continuity. How do you expect a bloke to gain experience and confidence if he's in one week and out the next?
I'm hoping for St Kilda's sake that he is a big fail at Brisbane, but it would be ironic if they play him for 6-7 games in a row and he secures another contract beyond 2023
To answer your question, and this may sound conceited, I'm in the money making business, within the first year of graduation I was being promoted ahead of senior staff with more than 20 years experience, by the age of 27 I was considered by my peers to be one of the best in the industry. I hope that helps you understand why I have the view I do about the 2 year strategy and I know it is a strategy employed at other clubs. Doesn't have to be a hard and fast rule without any wriggle room, but we have a reputation for keeping players on the list well beyond accepting they probably won't ever become a grand final type player. Joyce is a fantastic example, who at any stage of his time at our club thought he would eventually wear a premiership medallion around his neck?
And he still might. Blowing your ridiculous theory sky high.
Please refrain from attacking posters with insults, St.Byron would appreciate it very much and so would I.
And you should not be judgemental of others.
I'm not judging anyone, St.Byron has set the tone for how he will apply the rules I have asked him to apply them consistently and without bias and to his credit he seems to be doing that so that means I am entitled to not be relentlessly targeted by posters like yourself with yet another post that is not about the footy. Clearly you enjoy baiting because I note you have a one week ban for starting a thread specifically to bait a poster so that suggests you enjoy baiting. I am not judging Sayntas post I am just going to highlight any post directed towards me that doesn't comply with the rules and St.Byrons strict and consistent policing of said rules in an effort to protect myself.
May I suggest you stick to posting solely about the footy because anymore non footy posts from you and I will report it.
Duly noted. Consider yourself on notice as well.
reported, a threat that is not footy related aimed at baiting.
Oh for goodness sake, you threatened me with the same thing in the previous post. Please do some self reflecting about your behaviour on here. I should report you but I really couldn’t be bothered.
Rugby League would have to be the stupidest, most moronic and over rated game of all time.
[Sydney] don’t spend years flogging dead horses hoping their skills or decision making improves…
Totally agree with this Teffers. It's why I feel we should be adopting some of their list strategy processes such as having a portion of the list reserved for higher turnover of players who where "longer" and more "speculative" types. Even with sporting grants from the government, players like Peris for mine are way too speculative as it appears he will need much longer than my suggested 2 year time frame.
Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate. As you know I don’t agree with your 2 year time frame, many others don’t as well. We also need to consider the age of the player when brought into the club’s system. Perhaps they are grabbing players who are young before any other club signs them, and thus due to their age require more time.
I would appreciate a comment from someone who is closer to this. B.M are you there?
Just because you disagree doesn't necessarily mean you are right I mentioned Sydney as one club that has a similar strategy within their overall strategy. Sydney is a great example of having a diverse recruitment strategy, pretty sure I've read B.Ms views on having a diverse recruitment strategy.
We have a reputation for hanging onto project players too long, mostly as a result of being run poorly in every department. Hoping Ross has evolved in this area.
Byrnes, Bytel and Connolly are examples of players who need tough calls on this year if they don't step up and prove they can play in a GF team.
Sharman is another, if he's still languishing at Sandy in the second year of his 2 year contract then it will be enough of a look to make a call.
What industry are you in?
How'd you go in your first 2-3 years?
Were you a pro who was as productive and valuable as other more seasoned employees?
Some players require more time. Cooper or Ryan could perhaps be in that category.
I had a look at Darragh Joyce's career games and I saw a guy who never gained any continuity. How do you expect a bloke to gain experience and confidence if he's in one week and out the next?
I'm hoping for St Kilda's sake that he is a big fail at Brisbane, but it would be ironic if they play him for 6-7 games in a row and he secures another contract beyond 2023
To answer your question, and this may sound conceited, I'm in the money making business, within the first year of graduation I was being promoted ahead of senior staff with more than 20 years experience, by the age of 27 I was considered by my peers to be one of the best in the industry. I hope that helps you understand why I have the view I do about the 2 year strategy and I know it is a strategy employed at other clubs. Doesn't have to be a hard and fast rule without any wriggle room, but we have a reputation for keeping players on the list well beyond accepting they probably won't ever become a grand final type player. Joyce is a fantastic example, who at any stage of his time at our club thought he would eventually wear a premiership medallion around his neck?
And he still might. Blowing your ridiculous theory sky high.
Please refrain from attacking posters with insults, St.Byron would appreciate it very much and so would I.
And you should not be judgemental of others.
I'm not judging anyone, St.Byron has set the tone for how he will apply the rules I have asked him to apply them consistently and without bias and to his credit he seems to be doing that so that means I am entitled to not be relentlessly targeted by posters like yourself with yet another post that is not about the footy. Clearly you enjoy baiting because I note you have a one week ban for starting a thread specifically to bait a poster so that suggests you enjoy baiting. I am not judging Sayntas post I am just going to highlight any post directed towards me that doesn't comply with the rules and St.Byrons strict and consistent policing of said rules in an effort to protect myself.
May I suggest you stick to posting solely about the footy because anymore non footy posts from you and I will report it.
Duly noted. Consider yourself on notice as well.
reported, a threat that is not footy related aimed at baiting.
Oh for goodness sake, you threatened me with the same thing in the previous post. Please do some self reflecting about your behaviour on here. I should report you but I really couldn’t be bothered.
Killa wrote: ↑Mon 23 Jan 2023 4:16pm
If you look at our major wins since Jones arrived from Sydney, he has been right up there in influencing the result usually 30 plus possessions and breaking lines.
An automatic first choice 22 when fit and available.
And our losses when he has not contributed much?
When a team wins players will have played well.
Can't remember him winning a game for us by selever when others have struggled.
Can remember him being diabolical and selfish. On balance we probably would not miss him imo.
Concede situations of Zac demanding the ball, getting it given to him, a forward clear and Zac pausing either to be tackled htb or the opportunity ahead lapses sticks in my mind. He has done a number of great plays, just so inconsistent/unreliable. Can drive you mad.
Zak Jones wins and losses pretty much mirrors Saints 2020-2022. Doesn't seem to highlight anything but I haven't checked his individual possessions for each game.
Hi guys. Have to say that the kind of disagreement in this thread is a vast improvement on recent disagreements. Shane does have a point too - that arguing helps us to define the boundaries and where we stand within it. Just so long as it's not insulting. Nothing to take any action over in this thread. As well as taking action, there has to be a balance of not over-policing.
And......having a trigger finger is a lot more work for the mod.....
st.byron wrote: ↑Fri 27 Jan 2023 10:43am
Hi guys. Have to say that the kind of disagreement in this thread is a vast improvement on recent disagreements. Shane does have a point too - that arguing helps us to define the boundaries and where we stand within it. Just so long as it's not insulting. Nothing to take any action over in this thread. As well as taking action, there has to be a balance of not over-policing.
And......having a trigger finger is a lot more work for the mod.....
FC
From what I see, disagreeing with someone should not be construed as baiting. The moment it is, well I suppose it will be the end of this forum and others.
Thanks SB.
Rugby League would have to be the stupidest, most moronic and over rated game of all time.
Do you have to keep quoting entire conversations to reply to???
If you have to quote (because obviously people are too dumb to work out who comments are directed at because they can’t follow a conversation!)
Can’t you just quote the last comment you’re replying to
Do you have to keep quoting entire conversations to reply to???
If you have to quote (because obviously people are too dumb to work out who comments are directed at because they can’t follow a conversation!)
Can’t you just quote the last comment you’re replying to
It’s a fkn joke
Can I quote you on that?
Rugby League would have to be the stupidest, most moronic and over rated game of all time.
I think Zak was slightly embarrassed at training today, his Mum said hello to him and invited him to a BBQ on Sunday, then as she was leaving she said, love you Zak, someone in the dugout made
a wise crack and they all cracked up and gave Zak a ribbing.
How many defenders will The Saints pick in the 2024 draft ?
st.byron wrote: ↑Fri 27 Jan 2023 10:43am
Hi guys. Have to say that the kind of disagreement in this thread is a vast improvement on recent disagreements. Shane does have a point too - that arguing helps us to define the boundaries and where we stand within it. Just so long as it's not insulting. Nothing to take any action over in this thread. As well as taking action, there has to be a balance of not over-policing.
And......having a trigger finger is a lot more work for the mod.....
Well said.
Flying the World in comfort thanks to FF Points....
Do you have to keep quoting entire conversations to reply to???
If you have to quote (because obviously people are too dumb to work out who comments are directed at because they can’t follow a conversation!)
Can’t you just quote the last comment you’re replying to
It’s a fkn joke
there is one person that appears in just about every long winded multiple quotes that usually end up bad news... let's guess who it is ?
