Sack & Happy - Happy Sack

[Banger9798]

1. Yes
2. Yes

* both emphatic!!

Agree, before Brett's sacking we were staring down the barrel of total irrelevance (by no means was that all Rattens fault), enter Ross, and with him Hayes, Harvey and Goddard and add a good draft period , and we have some momentum again.

[B.M]

Who’s fault was it?

[CQ SAINT]

I blame Jack Billings

[CQ SAINT]

I blame Jack Billings

[CQ SAINT]

Lol

[CQ SAINT]

Jack got another chance. Ross will.make it his last chance. Another waste.

[Vortex]

Who’s fault was it?

Clearly Basset and Lethleans fault. CLEARLY!

This whole circus act has been a masterclass at deflection of accountability and they are lauded for being brutal and decisive....pfft!

And Lethers who was in charge of the footy department gets a promotion, unbelievable. It's text book sycophant executive management 101, the more useless you are at the coal face, the better you get at self promotion and rise up the greasy pole. And it is only the truly great corporations that can hide the oxygen thieves in lofty executive positions.

And Bassett is your typical egotistical type who uses the AFL system to play out boyhood dreams whilst advancing personal agendas.

[Banger9798]

Who’s fault was it?

Pretty obviously it was partly Rattens fault, but the responsibility is distributed across the entire playing group, coaching group and administrators.

Several of the coaches have moved on, Enright remains.

Definitely feels like a move in the right direction, as the expectation to win seemed to have dropped away., and therefore Ratts had to go. But it would be a huge error to think that on its own, solves our problems.

[Vortex]

Who’s fault was it?

Pretty obviously it was partly Rattens fault, but the responsibility is distributed across the entire playing group, coaching group and administrators.

Several of the coaches have moved on, Enright remains.

Definitely feels like a move in the right direction, as the expectation to win seemed to have dropped away., and therefore Ratts had to go. But it would be a huge error to think that on its own, solves our problems.

Yes, once again we stuff it up and once again one person cops in the neck but the reality is we are St Kilda and it's in our DNA to not get it right as a collective but always have to have a scapegoat followed by a Messiah....we are stuck in a loop.

[darylcowie]

I signed the form but dropped an untouched ballot paper in the box. Again. Creature of habit.

What form did you sign?
I just got my name crossed off the list and then did likewise.
That way I'm only disappointed that others think they have the illusion of choice.
My illusions were shattered in 2021 and it had nothing to do with the Saints, because that illusion was all too obvious given our brutal draw that year.

[sendmehomehappy]

Mr Ken Oath x 2 and we're both happy

[desertsaint]

I signed the form but dropped an untouched ballot paper in the box. Again. Creature of habit.

What form did you sign?
I just got my name crossed off the list and then did likewise.
That way I'm only disappointed that others think they have the illusion of choice.
My illusions were shattered in 2021 and it had nothing to do with the Saints, because that illusion was all too obvious given our brutal draw that year.

truth be told i did neither. i stayed in bed and said i was sick. i haven't gone to an election booth for many years. let others waste their time. one day maybe somewhere someone will be worth a vote. been a long time.

[Teflon]

Yes - should not have been re-signed when he was
Yes - best available coach

But that is the issue isn't it?

We will never know if he was the best available.

Put up an alternative if you’re so adamant Lyon wasnt best cred outside what was left
Otherwise it’s just more “I don’t like Ross” rubbish

[Moods]

I'd like another poll


Do you think Ross will win a flag within 4 years?

I’d like a poll asking which coach will? I only want improvement and for the boys to show some ticker.

And I personally think Ross is the most likely to take us to a flag

[Teflon]

I'd like another poll


Do you think Ross will win a flag within 4 years?

I’d like a poll asking which coach will? I only want improvement and for the boys to show some ticker.

And I personally think Ross is the most likely to take us to a flag

Spot on Moods
I’d love a flag but if I’m 4 years time we have a strong, we’ll drilled team playing consistently good footy and Ross decides to move on with no flag - we are still miles in front of where we’ve been with Ratten and Cho

[spert]

1. Yes, I think Ratts lost the players and was pretty ordinary tactically
2. No, although a better coach than Ratts on past performances, that was then and this is now. Should have gone for a younger, hungrier coach.

[Teflon]

1. Yes, I think Ratts lost the players and was pretty ordinary tactically
2. No, although a better coach than Ratts on past performances, that was then and this is now. Should have gone for a younger, hungrier coach.

Interesting Spert
Like who?
And do you think the club after 6 years Cho 3 of Brett could afford to stuff it up again in all seriousness??

[bergsone]

1. Yes, I think Ratts lost the players and was pretty ordinary tactically
2. No, although a better coach than Ratts on past performances, that was then and this is now. Should have gone for a younger, hungrier coach.

Interesting Spert
Like who?
And do you think the club after 6 years Cho 3 of Brett could afford to stuff it up again in all seriousness??

IMO a proven coach is what we required at this time,if we got a unproven coach that didnt work,would set us back god only knows how long.Watters,Richo,Ratten to a lesser extent were all unproven senior coaches.The on and off field appointments feel right

[Teflon]

1. Yes, I think Ratts lost the players and was pretty ordinary tactically
2. No, although a better coach than Ratts on past performances, that was then and this is now. Should have gone for a younger, hungrier coach.

Interesting Spert
Like who?
And do you think the club after 6 years Cho 3 of Brett could afford to stuff it up again in all seriousness??

IMO a proven coach is what we required at this time,if we got a unproven coach that didnt work,would set us back god only knows how long.Watters,Richo,Ratten to a lesser extent were all unproven senior coaches.The on and off field appointments feel right

I agree I don’t think the club had the luxury of a free swing we had to get it right abd I think with what was available we have
Actually I’m still yet to hear anyone suggest the decision the club made was incorrect or there was a better option

[Vortex]

1. Yes, I think Ratts lost the players and was pretty ordinary tactically
2. No, although a better coach than Ratts on past performances, that was then and this is now. Should have gone for a younger, hungrier coach.

Interesting Spert
Like who?
And do you think the club after 6 years Cho 3 of Brett could afford to stuff it up again in all seriousness??

IMO a proven coach is what we required at this time,if we got a unproven coach that didnt work,would set us back god only knows how long.Watters,Richo,Ratten to a lesser extent were all unproven senior coaches.The on and off field appointments feel right

Proven?

Proven at taking a one in a generation group of elite players in their prime to 3 grand final defeats.

Unproven and failed badly at building a list over 4 years with a 33% win rate and sacked in highly controversial circumstances.

Those are the facts.

Our list is in a rebuild mode so we will only know if Ross is proven somewhere into the future.

[Teflon]

1. Yes, I think Ratts lost the players and was pretty ordinary tactically
2. No, although a better coach than Ratts on past performances, that was then and this is now. Should have gone for a younger, hungrier coach.

Interesting Spert
Like who?
And do you think the club after 6 years Cho 3 of Brett could afford to stuff it up again in all seriousness??

IMO a proven coach is what we required at this time,if we got a unproven coach that didnt work,would set us back god only knows how long.Watters,Richo,Ratten to a lesser extent were all unproven senior coaches.The on and off field appointments feel right

Proven?

Proven at taking a one in a generation group of elite players in their prime to 3 grand final defeats.

Unproven and failed badly at building a list over 4 years with a 33% win rate and sacked in highly controversial circumstances.

Those are the facts.

Our list is in a rebuild mode so we will only know if Ross is proven somewhere into the future.

Oh dear….
Now Lyon hasn’t proven he can coach ..,
Ok might leave that one there… trolling at a new level for sure..

[Vortex]

1. Yes, I think Ratts lost the players and was pretty ordinary tactically
2. No, although a better coach than Ratts on past performances, that was then and this is now. Should have gone for a younger, hungrier coach.

Interesting Spert
Like who?
And do you think the club after 6 years Cho 3 of Brett could afford to stuff it up again in all seriousness??

IMO a proven coach is what we required at this time,if we got a unproven coach that didnt work,would set us back god only knows how long.Watters,Richo,Ratten to a lesser extent were all unproven senior coaches.The on and off field appointments feel right

Proven?

Proven at taking a one in a generation group of elite players in their prime to 3 grand final defeats.

Unproven and failed badly at building a list over 4 years with a 33% win rate and sacked in highly controversial circumstances.

Those are the facts.

Our list is in a rebuild mode so we will only know if Ross is proven somewhere into the future.

Oh dear….
Now Lyon hasn’t proven he can coach ..,
Ok might leave that one there… trolling at a new level for sure..

Should have made it clear, proven at rebuilding, absolutely no question at all he can coach a list of talented and desperately hungry individuals to a common goal, the best in the business.

But surely you're not denying what happened at Freo whilst in charge of a rebuild?

No harm in accepting he failed at his first attempt, (for what ever the reasons were), common sense logic says he should have learnt from that experience and might be better second time around. We won't know for a little while yet so let's see how he goes on that score.

[spert]

1. Yes, I think Ratts lost the players and was pretty ordinary tactically
2. No, although a better coach than Ratts on past performances, that was then and this is now. Should have gone for a younger, hungrier coach.

Interesting Spert
Like who?
And do you think the club after 6 years Cho 3 of Brett could afford to stuff it up again in all seriousness??

What if we end up in the same ladder position in 2023 as we did in 2022..it is quite possible with people thinking young players are all going to become stars under a coach who had reasonable success 7 or more years ago. I'm not convinced, but I will be happy if we go up a few rungs and am proven wrong.

[Teflon]

1. Yes, I think Ratts lost the players and was pretty ordinary tactically
2. No, although a better coach than Ratts on past performances, that was then and this is now. Should have gone for a younger, hungrier coach.

Interesting Spert
Like who?
And do you think the club after 6 years Cho 3 of Brett could afford to stuff it up again in all seriousness??

What if we end up in the same ladder position in 2023 as we did in 2022..it is quite possible with people thinking young players are all going to become stars under a coach who had reasonable success 7 or more years ago. I'm not convinced, but I will be happy if we go up a few rungs and am proven wrong.

Oh I think we’ll go backwards on 2022 - not same but that’s not the point of my question to you.
Who was better credentialed OR who was the unknown you think we should’ve gone with over Lyon?
I’m not having a go - genuine question.
For the record we went backwards Year 1 under Ross last time - as a few on BF note…anyone expecting miracles year 1 from Lyon, who has to undo 9 years of poor standards is kidding themselves.
Apparently recently talking to a few supporters over the fence while training was occurring Ross made 1 telling comment
“We have a lot to do here….”