New Maximum(less) forward line ideas??

[saint6709]

Sharman, Battle and Membrey as the mobile taller forward options - teach those up the field to deliver the ball to those presenting options not just bomb it in

This might actually be a beneficial excercise to change habits going forward when Max returns

[WellardSaint]

Sharman, Battle and Membrey as the mobile taller forward options - teach those up the field to deliver the ball to those presenting options not just bomb it in

This might actually be a beneficial excercise to change habits going forward when Max returns

Ratts and the other coaches (who are gone) had organised those tactics.
If they didn't design it, well they didn't do enough to reverse it and change habits.
Either way, it's on them.
New coaches, new ideas.

[Teflon]

Cometh the hour..
Cometh the Sha(r)man

[B.M]

Marshall
Elite ruckman
Average forward

Hayes
Coming off a injury

Campbell
Only a bear in the square

Membrey
Valuable as a link

Sharman
Not sold after watching him struggle in the VFL
He is NOT big or strong enough to play as a key forward

Wood
Plays as a mid size

Higgins a small forward

Battle
Best footy as a CHB
But he’d be my choice until Hayes recovers

Higgins - Membrey - Gresham
Butler- Battle - Campbell
7th forward
Billings

Rucks
Marshall - Steele - Windhager
Spare Ross

Centre Line
Hill - Crouch - Wood
Spare - McKenzie

Backline
Wilkie - Howard - Webster
Clark - Cordy - Sinclair
Spare - Coffield

23rd man
Owens

Spare
Byrnes, Jones, Bytel, Paton, NWM, Phillipou

[Vortex]

Marshall
Elite ruckman
Average forward

Hayes
Coming off a injury

Campbell
Only a bear in the square

Membrey
Valuable as a link

Sharman
Not sold after watching him struggle in the VFL
He is NOT big or strong enough to play as a key forward

Wood
Plays as a mid size

Higgins a small forward

Battle
Best footy as a CHB
But he’d be my choice until Hayes recovers

Higgins - Membrey - Gresham
Butler- Battle - Campbell
7th forward
Billings

Rucks
Marshall - Steele - Windhager
Spare Ross

Centre Line
Hill - Crouch - Wood
Spare - McKenzie

Backline
Wilkie - Howard - Webster
Clark - Cordy - Sinclair
Spare - Coffield

23rd man
Owens

Spare
Byrnes, Jones, Bytel, Paton, NWM, Phillipou

At the end of Lyon's 4 year contract I can only see 6 of those players still being on the list, that is players I think have the potential to be capable of being selected in a side in the last 2 weeks of the season. I'd expect major list changes in Lyon's first 2 years.

[CQ SAINT]

Marshall
Elite ruckman
Average forward

Hayes
Coming off a injury

Campbell
Only a bear in the square

Membrey
Valuable as a link

Sharman
Not sold after watching him struggle in the VFL
He is NOT big or strong enough to play as a key forward

Wood
Plays as a mid size

Higgins a small forward

Battle
Best footy as a CHB
But he’d be my choice until Hayes recovers

Higgins - Membrey - Gresham
Butler- Battle - Campbell
7th forward
Billings

Rucks
Marshall - Steele - Windhager
Spare Ross

Centre Line
Hill - Crouch - Wood
Spare - McKenzie

Backline
Wilkie - Howard - Webster
Clark - Cordy - Sinclair
Spare - Coffield

23rd man
Owens

Spare
Byrnes, Jones, Bytel, Paton, NWM, Phillipou

At the end of Lyon's 4 year contract I can only see 6 of those players still being on the list, that is players I think have the potential to be capable of being selected in a side in the last 2 weeks of the season. I'd expect major list changes in Lyon's first 2 years.

No chance, we will be in receivership, the AFL will be growing broke and a massive global financial turn down will happen long before then.

[Sainternist]

Gotta admit, Kane Cornes’ Josh Kennedy idea isn’t too bad haha

[Scollop]

It's a shitt idea
Reeks of desperation

Short term solutions are why we haven't played deep into September for 12 years

[nobhead]

Marshall
Elite ruckman
Average forward

Hayes
Coming off a injury

Campbell
Only a bear in the square

Membrey
Valuable as a link

Sharman
Not sold after watching him struggle in the VFL
He is NOT big or strong enough to play as a key forward

Wood
Plays as a mid size

Higgins a small forward

Battle
Best footy as a CHB
But he’d be my choice until Hayes recovers

Higgins - Membrey - Gresham
Butler- Battle - Campbell
7th forward
Billings

Rucks
Marshall - Steele - Windhager
Spare Ross

Centre Line
Hill - Crouch - Wood
Spare - McKenzie

Backline
Wilkie - Howard - Webster
Clark - Cordy - Sinclair
Spare - Coffield

23rd man
Owens

Spare
Byrnes, Jones, Bytel, Paton, NWM, Phillipou

At the end of Lyon's 4 year contract I can only see 6 of those players still being on the list, that is players I think have the potential to be capable of being selected in a side in the last 2 weeks of the season. I'd expect major list changes in Lyon's first 2 years.

Imo we should go for a very mobile smaller fwd half eg
Billings membrey hotton
Gresham sharman owens

[cwrcyn]

Owens is remarkably strong and pretty good overhead. Not a bad choice to play a fair chunk of time up forward

[Vortex]

Marshall
Elite ruckman
Average forward

Hayes
Coming off a injury

Campbell
Only a bear in the square

Membrey
Valuable as a link

Sharman
Not sold after watching him struggle in the VFL
He is NOT big or strong enough to play as a key forward

Wood
Plays as a mid size

Higgins a small forward

Battle
Best footy as a CHB
But he’d be my choice until Hayes recovers

Higgins - Membrey - Gresham
Butler- Battle - Campbell
7th forward
Billings

Rucks
Marshall - Steele - Windhager
Spare Ross

Centre Line
Hill - Crouch - Wood
Spare - McKenzie

Backline
Wilkie - Howard - Webster
Clark - Cordy - Sinclair
Spare - Coffield

23rd man
Owens

Spare
Byrnes, Jones, Bytel, Paton, NWM, Phillipou

At the end of Lyon's 4 year contract I can only see 6 of those players still being on the list, that is players I think have the potential to be capable of being selected in a side in the last 2 weeks of the season. I'd expect major list changes in Lyon's first 2 years.

Imo we should go for a very mobile smaller fwd half eg
Billings membrey hotton
Gresham sharman owens

I think Billings could be one of the first players Lyon moves on.

Other than that it's a very VFL forward line.

[B.M]

Higgins
Very capable small forward, is he a premiership player
Butler
Is a premiership player, runner up B&F and 28 goals in 2020
Battle
70 games has played great footy in 2020 and 2022 at CHB
Played junior career as a forward
Gresham
Kicked 35 goals in 2018 - could be an elite small forward
Billings
One of the few HFs in the AFL that can average 20ppg and a gpg
Obviously talented
Membrey is one of the best mid sized forwards in the AFL
Averaging 2gpg and an elite mark for his size

Campbell/Marshall - just a big man to compete i50

Not really a VFL forward line - if it were Sandy would kick 30


Lyon does not get rid of talent he uses it effectively by getting talent to buy into a structure and play the role he requires

[shanegrambeau]

Higgins
Very capable small forward, is he a premiership player
Butler
Is a premiership player, runner up B&F and 28 goals in 2020
Battle
70 games has played great footy in 2020 and 2022 at CHB
Played junior career as a forward
Gresham
Kicked 35 goals in 2018 - could be an elite small forward
Billings
One of the few HFs in the AFL that can average 20ppg and a gpg
Obviously talented
Membrey is one of the best mid sized forwards in the AFL
Averaging 2gpg and an elite mark for his size

Campbell/Marshall - just a big man to compete i50

Not really a VFL forward line - if it were Sandy would kick 30


Lyon does not get rid of talent he uses it effectively by getting talent to buy into a structure and play the role he requires

It 'aint half bad, is it.

I am starting to think (rationalise?) we can work it out.

Bulldogs. Richmond and Melbourne have been successful without giant forwards.

Shirley Temple from North has only been a marginal factor in Melbourne's success. Bruce has been a bit of a lemon at Footescry, and I grant the big lanky bastard at Richmond is now a champ, but in 2017 he wasn't there, and they started getting seriously good. Maybe we can do it with a smallish forward line? Or Ross won't tolerate any sooking from Doogs if he's needed down there.

[WellardSaint]

Higgins
Very capable small forward, is he a premiership player
Butler
Is a premiership player, runner up B&F and 28 goals in 2020
Battle
70 games has played great footy in 2020 and 2022 at CHB
Played junior career as a forward
Gresham
Kicked 35 goals in 2018 - could be an elite small forward
Billings
One of the few HFs in the AFL that can average 20ppg and a gpg
Obviously talented
Membrey is one of the best mid sized forwards in the AFL
Averaging 2gpg and an elite mark for his size

Campbell/Marshall - just a big man to compete i50

Not really a VFL forward line - if it were Sandy would kick 30


Lyon does not get rid of talent he uses it effectively by getting talent to buy into a structure and play the role he requires

It 'aint half bad, is it.

I am starting to think (rationalise?) we can work it out.

Bulldogs. Richmond and Melbourne have been successful without giant forwards.

Shirley Temple from North has only been a marginal factor in Melbourne's success. Bruce has been a bit of a lemon at Footescry, and I grant the big lanky bastard at Richmond is now a champ, but in 2017 he wasn't there, and they started getting seriously good. Maybe we can do it with a smallish forward line? Or Ross won't tolerate any sooking from Doogs if he's needed down there.

The departed coaches either had no idea, or couldn't get buy-in from the group.

I might be deluded, but I have high hopes that RTB/Banger/Lenny/BJ combo can and will turn our brave heroes into an awesome fighting unit like the 303 Squadron in the Battle of Britain.

[shanegrambeau]

Higgins
Very capable small forward, is he a premiership player
Butler
Is a premiership player, runner up B&F and 28 goals in 2020
Battle
70 games has played great footy in 2020 and 2022 at CHB
Played junior career as a forward
Gresham
Kicked 35 goals in 2018 - could be an elite small forward
Billings
One of the few HFs in the AFL that can average 20ppg and a gpg
Obviously talented
Membrey is one of the best mid sized forwards in the AFL
Averaging 2gpg and an elite mark for his size

Campbell/Marshall - just a big man to compete i50

Not really a VFL forward line - if it were Sandy would kick 30


Lyon does not get rid of talent he uses it effectively by getting talent to buy into a structure and play the role he requires

It 'aint half bad, is it.

I am starting to think (rationalise?) we can work it out.

Bulldogs. Richmond and Melbourne have been successful without giant forwards.

Shirley Temple from North has only been a marginal factor in Melbourne's success. Bruce has been a bit of a lemon at Footescry, and I grant the big lanky bastard at Richmond is now a champ, but in 2017 he wasn't there, and they started getting seriously good. Maybe we can do it with a smallish forward line? Or Ross won't tolerate any sooking from Doogs if he's needed down there.

The departed coaches either had no idea, or couldn't get buy-in from the group.

I might be deluded, but I have high hopes that RTB/Banger/Lenny/BJ combo can and will turn our brave heroes into an awesome fighting unit like the 303 Squadron in the Battle of Britain.

The buy in factor is real I suspect, given the review. But like the Aussie cricket team and Langer, one's skin starts to crawl when you think about the tail wagging the dog.

(The Fairey Battle was unfairly maligned)

[Vortex]

Higgins
Very capable small forward, is he a premiership player
Butler
Is a premiership player, runner up B&F and 28 goals in 2020
Battle
70 games has played great footy in 2020 and 2022 at CHB
Played junior career as a forward
Gresham
Kicked 35 goals in 2018 - could be an elite small forward
Billings
One of the few HFs in the AFL that can average 20ppg and a gpg
Obviously talented
Membrey is one of the best mid sized forwards in the AFL
Averaging 2gpg and an elite mark for his size

Campbell/Marshall - just a big man to compete i50

Not really a VFL forward line - if it were Sandy would kick 30


Lyon does not get rid of talent he uses it effectively by getting talent to buy into a structure and play the role he requires

For a group of players who have performed incredibly poorly for the past 2 years what proven performances are you leveraging from? What have you seen that makes you confident this group of players will turn into a premiership team?

[B.M]

Incredibly poorly

Have we finished bottom 4 in the last two years

I’ll have to check the numbers??


Btw
Gresham and Billing both had long term injuries over the last two seasons

[shanegrambeau]

Higgins
Very capable small forward, is he a premiership player
Butler
Is a premiership player, runner up B&F and 28 goals in 2020
Battle
70 games has played great footy in 2020 and 2022 at CHB
Played junior career as a forward
Gresham
Kicked 35 goals in 2018 - could be an elite small forward
Billings
One of the few HFs in the AFL that can average 20ppg and a gpg
Obviously talented
Membrey is one of the best mid sized forwards in the AFL
Averaging 2gpg and an elite mark for his size

Campbell/Marshall - just a big man to compete i50

Not really a VFL forward line - if it were Sandy would kick 30


Lyon does not get rid of talent he uses it effectively by getting talent to buy into a structure and play the role he requires

For a group of players who have performed incredibly poorly for the past 2 years what proven performances are you leveraging from? What have you seen that makes you confident this group of players will turn into a premiership team?

We were a 5/10 team. That's not poor. That is 'C' grade. Moreover, I don't think the knock on us was for lack of talent up forward, it was for lack of discipline, poor organization and weak system in there. The midfield might have been bottom flourish given the injuries to Gresh, Clark etc. and/or the susceptibility to injury or unavailability of Jones, Paddy and Roma. Basically, out forwards are not short of talent.

[Vortex]

Incredibly poorly

Have we finished bottom 4 in the last two years

I’ll have to check the numbers??


Btw
Gresham and Billing both had long term injuries over the last two seasons

The last 2 seasons have produced bottom 4 performances frequently. It's a list very low on depth of talent and is mentally fragile with only small bumps in the road needed to derail a season. Max's injury has once again highlighted how poor the list is and evident in our only replacement in names like Sharman and Campbell as our next best proven performers for the tall forward option.

I dare say this is why Lethlean publicly admitted the club had overrated the list and subsequently the coach was scapegoated and Bassett claimed we needed to go backwards (aka a rebuild) to go forward after only 12 months earlier claiming we would enter premiership contention in 2022.

There may be some players on the list who prove they can become premiership types but you'd have to think there is going to be a high turnover of players in the next 2 years while Lyon finds players who can stand up in the final minutes of the last game of September.

[The Fireman]

Incredibly poorly

Have we finished bottom 4 in the last two years

I’ll have to check the numbers??


Btw
Gresham and Billing both had long term injuries over the last two seasons

The last 2 seasons have produced bottom 4 performances frequently. It's a list very low on depth of talent and is mentally fragile with only small bumps in the road needed to derail a season. Max's injury has once again highlighted how poor the list is and evident in our only replacement in names like Sharman and Campbell as our next best proven performers for the tall forward option.

I dare say this is why Lethlean publicly admitted the club had overrated the list and subsequently the coach was scapegoated and Bassett claimed we needed to go backwards (aka a rebuild) to go forward after only 12 months earlier claiming we would enter premiership contention in 2022.

There may be some players on the list who prove they can become premiership types but you'd have to think there is going to be a high turnover of players in the next 2 years while Lyon finds players who can stand up in the final minutes of the last game of September.

poor coaching will do that

[B.M]

How has the the last two years produced bottom 4 performances

When we finished 9th or 10th

Are we talking individual games??!!

In that case

We beat Geelong, Richmond, Freo (away) which were top 4 performances

You see, you don’t isolate single performances to rate a team over the course of a season

You look at in totality - win/loss ratio and percentage

I think we were about 50% W/L over the last two seasons

Which is clearly not bottom 4 - is it?!

[saynta]

How has the the last two years produced bottom 4 performances

When we finished 9th or 10th

Are we talking individual games??!!

In that case

We beat Geelong, Richmond, Freo (away) which were top 4 performances

You see, you don’t isolate single performances to rate a team over the course of a season

You look at in totality - win/loss ratio and percentage

I think we were about 50% W/L over the last two seasons

Which is clearly not bottom 4 - is it?!

Some posts are better off ignored.

[The Fireman]

How has the the last two years produced bottom 4 performances

When we finished 9th or 10th

Are we talking individual games??!!

In that case

We beat Geelong, Richmond, Freo (away) which were top 4 performances

You see, you don’t isolate single performances to rate a team over the course of a season

You look at in totality - win/loss ratio and percentage

I think we were about 50% W/L over the last two seasons

Which is clearly not bottom 4 - is it?!

Some posts are better off ignored.

It’s getting that way isn’t it

[saynta]

Marshall
Elite ruckman
Average forward

Hayes
Coming off a injury

Campbell
Only a bear in the square

Membrey
Valuable as a link

Sharman
Not sold after watching him struggle in the VFL
He is NOT big or strong enough to play as a key forward

Wood
Plays as a mid size

Higgins a small forward

Battle
Best footy as a CHB
But he’d be my choice until Hayes recovers

Higgins - Membrey - Gresham
Butler- Battle - Campbell
7th forward
Billings

Rucks
Marshall - Steele - Windhager
Spare Ross

Centre Line
Hill - Crouch - Wood
Spare - McKenzie

Backline
Wilkie - Howard - Webster
Clark - Cordy - Sinclair
Spare - Coffield

23rd man
Owens

Spare
Byrnes, Jones, Bytel, Paton, NWM, Phillipou

At the end of Lyon's 4 year contract I can only see 6 of those players still being on the list, that is players I think have the potential to be capable of being selected in a side in the last 2 weeks of the season. I'd expect major list changes in Lyon's first 2 years.

Imo we should go for a very mobile smaller fwd half eg
Billings membrey hotton
Gresham sharman owens

I think Billings could be one of the first players Lyon moves on.

Other than that it's a very VFL forward line.

oh ffs.

[B.M]

Pretty decent VFL team

Jack Steele would go alright down at TBBO

Last time I watched JB play VFL he got 53 touches