Pre season training

[WellardSaint]

Ross seems to have gained a few pounds. More the merrier.. at this stage.. (he can do no wrong) More worried about Hilly.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/867672/king ... -kicks-off

He's a coach.
See how he looks in 3 years- Ratts aged 10 years

I never got the impression that RL ever really gets all that stressed. I say this with no disrespect intended… IMO he has that balance between knowing it’s a job that he needs to and wants to try his hardest with and also that he’s ultimately coaching a game.

If RL is a stress head… he bloody hides it well. Seems to me that he would rarely have difficulty sleeping

Ratts seemed to appear to struggle at times.
It all got too hard for him and it's better for his health that he went.
When you stop shaving and washing your hair, and getting a regular haircut, they're signs that you're struggling.
He always looked like he hadn't washed his hair in a fortnight

[shanegrambeau]

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https://www.afl.com.au/news/867672/king ... -kicks-off

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Ratts seemed to appear to struggle..
... too hard....better ... he went.
When you stop shaving and washing your hair, and getting a regular haircut, they're signs that you're struggling....
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Nup
Ratts was just flaunting his hair and his manhood.

He knows Chris Scott grew the hair and beard.

If you are hitting your 50's and you still have nice hair...you gotta flaunt it...show all the balding buggers that they are losers.

it's a story as old as time.

[Yorkeys]

Ross seems to have gained a few pounds. More the merrier.. at this stage.. (he can do no wrong) More worried about Hilly.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/867672/king ... -kicks-off

He's a coach.
See how he looks in 3 years- Ratts aged 10 years

I never got the impression that RL ever really gets all that stressed. I say this with no disrespect intended… IMO he has that balance between knowing it’s a job that he needs to and wants to try his hardest with and also that he’s ultimately coaching a game.

If RL is a stress head… he bloody hides it well. Seems to me that he would rarely have difficulty sleeping

Ratts seemed to appear to struggle at times.
It all got too hard for him and it's better for his health that he went.
When you stop shaving and washing your hair, and getting a regular haircut, they're signs that you're struggling.
He always looked like he hadn't washed his hair in a fortnight

You don't have to wash often in Melbourne, cold most of the time and water expensive. Ok for you in the rich warm states.

[Saintmike65]

Read the comment on a post that Ratts aged 10 years over his 3 year coaching reign..it takes a certain type to be able to handle the constant grind and pressure of being a coach at the elite level,fortunately we now have one of those at the helm!

[Gershwin]

Read the comment on a post that Ratts aged 10 years over his 3 year coaching reign..it takes a certain type to be able to handle the constant grind and pressure of being a coach at the elite level,fortunately we now have one of those at the helm!

Postecoglou at Celtic loves it. Can’t get enough of the pressure. Says it is his dream job. Otherwise he would be working in a bank. If it weighs you down then get out.

[saynta]

Ross seems to have gained a few pounds. More the merrier.. at this stage.. (he can do no wrong) More worried about Hilly.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/867672/king ... -kicks-off

He's a coach.
See how he looks in 3 years- Ratts aged 10 years

I never got the impression that RL ever really gets all that stressed. I say this with no disrespect intended… IMO he has that balance between knowing it’s a job that he needs to and wants to try his hardest with and also that he’s ultimately coaching a game.

If RL is a stress head… he bloody hides it well. Seems to me that he would rarely have difficulty sleeping

Ratts seemed to appear to struggle at times.
It all got too hard for him and it's better for his health that he went.
When you stop shaving and washing your hair, and getting a regular haircut, they're signs that you're struggling.
He always looked like he hadn't washed his hair in a fortnight

You don't have to wash often in Melbourne, cold most of the time and water expensive. Ok for you in the rich warm states.

Wouldn't be English now would you?

[Impatient Sainter]

Read the comment on a post that Ratts aged 10 years over his 3 year coaching reign..it takes a certain type to be able to handle the constant grind and pressure of being a coach at the elite level,fortunately we now have one of those at the helm!

How refreshing is it to watch Lyon's press conferences comparative to Ratten. Lyon is clear and concise in his answers, he knows what he wants and he knows how to get there.

I am confident the team will grow in confidence and performance wise under RTB.

[saynta]

THREE TAKEAWAYS FROM ST KILDA TRAINING...From the Hun.

1. WINDING BACK THE CLOCK

A wet and windy Moorabbin greeted the Saints players, with just 16 fronting to brave the arctic conditions. Included in the group was the oldest player on the list, Brad Hill, with Dan Butler another experienced figure getting out on the track early. “He was bubbly, he’ll probably play less half-back I would think, get him back to his pet position on the wing, free him up a little bit to run,” new coach Ross Lyon said of Hill at his post-training press conference. There were plenty of other senior players hiding behind the glass, working out in the gym, with Lyon set to address them as a collective for the first time on Monday afternoon.

2. COACHING MASTERCLASS

You’re going to have to be on your toes to get a kick even at training given Lyon’s new-look coaching panel includes four all-time greats in Robert Harvey, Lenny Hayes, Brendon Goddard and Corey Enright. All four were required to take part in drills to fill up the numbers with Goddard in particular seeming to enjoy pulling on the boots.


3. TIME TRIAL

It wouldn’t be the start of pre-season without the time-honoured tradition of a time-trial. The Saints walked around the corner to the local athletics track for the dreaded race against the clock with Marcus Windhager getting the nod of approval from the new coach for taking out the victory. “Marcus Windhager won the time trial so great to see a young player really stamping himself on the group,” Lyon said.
Josh Battle and Jade Gresham during a handball drill. Picture: Quinn Rooney/Getty Images
Josh Battle and Jade Gresham during a handball drill. Picture: Quinn Rooney/Getty Images

4. THE ‘HUMAN TOLL’

Lyon hasn’t spoken to Brett Ratten, but he will address the issue of the sacking of the former coach in his opening address to the playing group on Monday afternoon. “I will address the players for the first time today, and I think it is important to acknowledge context and not just pretend there has been no tumultuous period here because there has. But my job is to pick us up and get us moving and move us forward as a club. The human toll, it can be really hard AFL football and there is certainly empathy there but we haven’t got the luxury of just sitting back and dwelling, we have to get moving and get into action.”

[Sanctorum]

There's no doubt that the contrast between the styles of Ratten and Lyon is massive, and for the better. Most times when Ratts appeared at post-match press conferences and recorded messages to members he struggled to elucidate the team's performance in a convincing fashion and repeated cliches like "in this space" etc. It would not have done anything to instil confidence in his coaching or to project the club in a positive, dynamic, light which team sponsors in particular hope to see.

It is already apparent that the regime change has projected St Kilda FC as being "relevant" with so much positive media coverage, something that we haven't witnessed in the past 11 years under any of the coaches that succeeded RTB in 2012.

On the question of sponsors, great to see CMC Markets commit to principal sponsorship - their recent merger with ANZ Bank Share Investing to become the 2nd largest online stockbroking firm in Australia is a credit to the club's marketing team!

[D.B.Cooper]

Who is Ronnie?

Byrnes. Not up to it.

You may very well be correct, in fact I suspect you are, however but he didn't get a shot when he was cutting it up at VFL level which I find disappointing.

When you are in form and confident at the lower level it would be nice to get a run in the seniors.

[Teflon]

Read the comment on a post that Ratts aged 10 years over his 3 year coaching reign..it takes a certain type to be able to handle the constant grind and pressure of being a coach at the elite level,fortunately we now have one of those at the helm!

How refreshing is it to watch Lyon's press conferences comparative to Ratten. Lyon is clear and concise in his answers, he knows what he wants and he knows how to get there.

I am confident the team will grow in confidence and performance wise under RTB.

You’ve actually hit on a key point that sold me on Lyon over Thomas first time around
GT would often speak in emotive cliches - it was always “belief clouds” hearts n minds stuff which is important don’t get me wrong ….but to excel you need to go beyond that.
When Lyon spoke, particularly after a loss, it was always clear - “we turned it over x% in the quarter of the ground” “we dropped contested ball numbers here..” etc etc - specific, like he could analyse and break the game down to pin point where we fell over.
For a senior coach to be able to do that, communicate that so clearly to a playing ground not only instills confidence tge guy knows what he’s doing…it’s an enormous teaching aid. Great coaches aid their players to perform better - it’s no wonder so many past players laud Lyon as the best they played under.
So many coaches, Ratten was one, play/focus on the emotive so much and they do this because they don’t have the footy IQ of the top line coaches imo
It’s hard to get better as a player when all your coach offers is “yeah we just lacked confidence today” WTF do you do with that???
Actions instil confidence
Lyons all about letting action do the talking then results follow
I think that’s right
The rest is just words.

[Killa]

The simple facts are that our previous Coach was an analyst across every facet of the game

Hence the support staff he employed - from Rath down

The reasons contributing to performance were analysed against expectation and the conclusions conveyed to the player/s and to the group

You really do read some unmitigated rubbish on this site

At the end of the day, you need your best players on the ground

The fact St Kilda could not put its optimum 22 on the park fed down to the demographics of the List, a historical problem

Past that we need some structural improvement - being another key defender, another key forward and now ruck support for Marshall

[Yorkeys]

The simple facts are that our previous Coach was an analyst across every facet of the game

Hence the support staff he employed - from Rath down

The reasons contributing to performance were analysed against expectation and the conclusions conveyed to the player/s and to the group

You really do read some unmitigated rubbish on this site

At the end of the day, you need your best players on the ground

The fact St Kilda could not put its optimum 22 on the park fed down to the demographics of the List, a historical problem

Past that we need some structural improvement - being another key defender, another key forward and now ruck support for Marshall

Fair enough.
Analysis does not translate to motivation then?
Game 1 v Collingwood. Minimal injuries? Did not turn up with sufficient killer intent, let Pies have their way.
Telling someone they do not meet expectations does not of itself bridge that gap?
Coaches are theoretically experts in minimising structural weaknesses, the weaknesses listed above are demonstrable, however we trotted out same same tactics and got same same beaten. Clearly we were never going to go far in finals, but the second half performance was terrible and some games disgraceful. Spoke volumes about Brett's inability to get players game ready even if he was as empathetic as Mother Theresa. If Brett was an analyst, and I accept he is/was, he seemed to have great difficulty in conveying to supporters why we lost other than delivering sterile stats comparisons and admitting he was often at a loss for an explanation. Was he protecting us from the great truth only he knew. Most of us could often see the lack of tackling, centring a Coach's message on what is painfully obvious is a bit condescending, even for a genius analyst?
We could not cobble together a half decent scoring formation/method, how many analysts does it take to conclude you don't score goals you lose and after 20 odd games your plan of attack does not cut it.

[Vortex]

The simple facts are that our previous Coach was an analyst across every facet of the game

Hence the support staff he employed - from Rath down

The reasons contributing to performance were analysed against expectation and the conclusions conveyed to the player/s and to the group

You really do read some unmitigated rubbish on this site

At the end of the day, you need your best players on the ground

The fact St Kilda could not put its optimum 22 on the park fed down to the demographics of the List, a historical problem

Past that we need some structural improvement - being another key defender, another key forward and now ruck support for Marshall

So what your saying is you need a list with a critical mass of top 4 finals type players to give yourself an opportunity in the final 2 games of the year?

You can't teach this stuff at university.

Lyon will be fantastic for any club provide they are willing to stick the journey, which in our case feels like it's 3 to 5 years away.

Freo gave him 4 and decided he was failing at rebuilding a list.

We are St Kilda and we probably need double the time of any other resource rich club and therin lies the issue...we are St Kilda.

By my estimation if we aren't wining finals by 2024 the club will be gaining significant pressure to do what it does better than anything else...sack the coach.

[D.B.Cooper]

The simple facts are that our previous Coach was an analyst across every facet of the game

Hence the support staff he employed - from Rath down

The reasons contributing to performance were analysed against expectation and the conclusions conveyed to the player/s and to the group

You really do read some unmitigated rubbish on this site

At the end of the day, you need your best players on the ground

The fact St Kilda could not put its optimum 22 on the park fed down to the demographics of the List, a historical problem

Past that we need some structural improvement - being another key defender, another key forward and now ruck support for Marshall

So what your saying is you need a list with a critical mass of top 4 finals type players to give yourself an opportunity in the final 2 games of the year?

You can't teach this stuff at university.

Lyon will be fantastic for any club provide they are willing to stick the journey, which in our case feels like it's 3 to 5 years away.

Freo gave him 4 and decided he was failing at rebuilding a list.

We are St Kilda and we probably need double the time of any other resource rich club and therin lies the issue...we are St Kilda.

By my estimation if we aren't wining finals by 2024 the club will be gaining significant pressure to do what it does better than anything else...sack the coach.

Don't forget a good run with injuries.

Groundbreaking insight.

[D.B.Cooper]

The simple facts are that our previous Coach was an analyst across every facet of the game

You really do read some unmitigated rubbish on this site

Perhaps you could regale us with a Barrie Robran or Ashley Mallet anecdote?

I'm sure that will lift the standard of contribution to the site.

[Teflon]

The simple facts are that our previous Coach was an analyst across every facet of the game

Hence the support staff he employed - from Rath down

The reasons contributing to performance were analysed against expectation and the conclusions conveyed to the player/s and to the group

You really do read some unmitigated rubbish on this site

At the end of the day, you need your best players on the ground

The fact St Kilda could not put its optimum 22 on the park fed down to the demographics of the List, a historical problem

Past that we need some structural improvement - being another key defender, another key forward and now ruck support for Marshall

Fair enough.
Analysis does not translate to motivation then?
Game 1 v Collingwood. Minimal injuries? Did not turn up with sufficient killer intent, let Pies have their way.
Telling someone they do not meet expectations does not of itself bridge that gap?
Coaches are theoretically experts in minimising structural weaknesses, the weaknesses listed above are demonstrable, however we trotted out same same tactics and got same same beaten. Clearly we were never going to go far in finals, but the second half performance was terrible and some games disgraceful. Spoke volumes about Brett's inability to get players game ready even if he was as empathetic as Mother Theresa. If Brett was an analyst, and I accept he is/was, he seemed to have great difficulty in conveying to supporters why we lost other than delivering sterile stats comparisons and admitting he was often at a loss for an explanation. Was he protecting us from the great truth only he knew. Most of us could often see the lack of tackling, centring a Coach's message on what is painfully obvious is a bit condescending, even for a genius analyst?
We could not cobble together a half decent scoring formation/method, how many analysts does it take to conclude you don't score goals you lose and after 20 odd games your plan of attack does not cut it.

Good post
Ratten wasn’t an “analyst” as your highlights of his failings show
The reason he put so much stock in Rath was because he clearly couldn’t analyse a game abs turn that into a suitable strategy - he needed Rath to do that anfbas Tony 74 alluded to…Rath ended up having too much say
I’d argue Ratten was a successful assistant because he could defer to a senior coach (Clarkson) who could clearly analyse the game, develop his strategy and outline that to the playing group.
I’d suggest Rattens strengths lie in his ability to form relationships with people….not as an analyst
Did he trot out stats given to him at the end of a game ??
Could he clearly articulate where and more importantly why our side broke down after a loss??
No
In the end he started to put it on the players and I think lost a few along the way
It’s true there is some garbage written on this site

[Scollop]

I’d suggest Rattens strengths lie in his ability to form relationships with people….not as an analyst
Did he trot out stats given to him at the end of a game ??
Could he clearly articulate where and more importantly why our side broke down after a loss??
No
In the end he started to put it on the players and I think lost a few along the way
It’s true there is some garbage written on this site

Garbage is too nice a description for the steaming pile of dung you just wrote

Just go to some of the videos this year to see what a load horse manure you're trying to sell

Have you ever watched an after match presser from Ratts or do you just have this fantasy in your head and you enjoy leaving cowpatties every time you post

I understand that you think Lyon is the best coach and now that he has taken over there’s really no point making up crap about Ratten

[Teflon]

I’d suggest Rattens strengths lie in his ability to form relationships with people….not as an analyst
Did he trot out stats given to him at the end of a game ??
Could he clearly articulate where and more importantly why our side broke down after a loss??
No
In the end he started to put it on the players and I think lost a few along the way
It’s true there is some garbage written on this site

Garbage is too nice a description for the steaming pile of dung you just made up

Just go to some of the videos this year to see what a load horse manure you're trying to sell

Have you ever watched an after match presser from Ratts or do you just have this fantasy in your head and you enjoy leaving cowpatties every time you post

You “analysing” my posts again ?
I’ll leave it there in the interests and out of respect for mods/forum members
Suggest you desist from stalking me in the meantime

[Scollop]

Stalking



Just calling out your bullshitt

[Teflon]

Stalking



Just calling out your bullshitt

I’ll have to give you a pet name if you persist..