Ethan Phillips

[B.M]

23yo
196cm defender

Forgergill Round medallist

Worth a look at pick 28 or 32

[bangaulegend]

Now we have Cordy & already have Highmore do we really need another tall intercept back man? I'm not totally against it but would prefer to get more potentially skilled mid's with those picks

[Ghost Like]

Will he be there in the 40's or to even rookie? The AFL article talks him up, I like his commitment but Srobolak(?) has never instilled me with confidence but even a broken clock...

[bobmurray]

Before we got Cordy i would have said yes, he's definitely worth a look, now i'd like the club to use that pick on a potential Key Forward to support King.

[St Plugger]

Before we got Cordy i would have said yes, he's definitely worth a look, now i'd like the club to use that pick on a potential Key Forward to support King.

Nah , more importantly, I'd like to use that pick on a potential Ruck/forward to support ROMA!

[bobmurray]

Before we got Cordy i would have said yes, he's definitely worth a look, now i'd like the club to use that pick on a potential Key Forward to support King.

Nah , more importantly, I'd like to use that pick on a potential Ruck/forward to support ROMA!

Nah, They'll probably do neither.

[B.M]

We need a forward - ruck (support)

Marshall is a very good ruckman

A very average forward

He needs to be in the ruck 70-80% of the time

[Scollop]

We need a forward - ruck (support)

Marshall is a very good ruckman

A very average forward

He needs to be in the ruck 70-80% of the time

How often has St Kilda played Rowan as our Full Forward? I reckon if RoMa was the No. 1 go to forward he'd be a very good forward.

I'm not talking about the support act to Josh Bruce or Max King.

I reckon if he had consistent games for a whole season playing 80% as our FF he'd do ok

[saintsRrising]

We need a forward - ruck (support)

Marshall is a very good ruckman

A very average forward

He needs to be in the ruck 70-80% of the time

How often has St Kilda played Rowan as our Full Forward? I reckon if RoMa was the No. 1 go to forward he'd be a very good forward.

I'm not talking about the support act to Josh Bruce or Max King.

I reckon if he had consistent games for a whole season playing 80% as our FF he'd do ok

Thing is with Roma is that they have never had him trained to play as a key forward. ie He does not do the leading patterns (mind you under Rats neither was King!!!).

Roma mainly just pushes forward.

If he trained as a forward then who knows,

However given our list he is our best option to play No 1 ruck. So play him there. Also Roman is a beast as a follower and a real advantage to us.

[B.M]

Where do you think he played when Ryder was in the ruck?

You probably didn’t notice because he did not do much

[nostalgicsaint]

Starting 22 we have Hayes and If you're thinking of looking to the draft for a developing ruck/forward it is worth remembering we already have M Heath on the list and in terms of injury cover we have Campbell.

Think there is still an argument for another key back to cover any injuries.

195cm+ key backs
Howard
Cordy

Other key backs
Wilkie
Battle

[bobmurray]

Starting 22 we have Hayes and If you're thinking of looking to the draft for a developing ruck/forward it is worth remembering we already have M Heath on the list and in terms of injury cover we have Campbell.

Think there is still an argument for another key back to cover any injuries.

195cm+ key backs
Howard
Cordy

Other key backs
Wilkie
Battle

We do have Hayes but he is recovering from an ACL injury, when the season starts he will only be 11 months into his recovery, i doubt he'll play in the first month.
Then it's Sharman or bust. When the final list lodgement occurs we'll know how Ross views it.

[B.M]

Not all those key defenders will get a game

Webster/Paton will play lock down
Sinclair and Coffield will play as running backs

That’s 3 defenders

Leaving only 3 talls
Howard - Wilkie - Battle/Cordy

7th defender
Either
Clark, Hill, Jones

[Saintmike65]

We need a forward - ruck (support)

Marshall is a very good ruckman

A very average forward

He needs to be in the ruck 70-80% of the time

Isaac Keeler would be a great Ryder replacement..we would likely need to get up the draft order a bit!

[B.M]

We have a developing ruck - Heath

Not sure we need a developing ruck

Imo - ruck situation
#1 - Marshall
Support - Hayes
Back Up - Campbell
Developing - Heath

Possibly need one more Forward Ruck

[nostalgicsaint]

We have a developing ruck - Heath

Not sure we need a developing ruck

Imo - ruck situation
#1 - Marshall
Support - Hayes
Back Up - Campbell
Developing - Heath

Possibly need one more Forward Ruck

Agree with this.

Campbell is there for if Hayes is injured and if Ross absolutely wants second ruckman a d Campbell is unavailable then we can always turn to heath.

Imo minimal benefit in using a draft pick on a young ruckman unless they are seen to be elite or able to play right now.

[nostalgicsaint]

Starting 22 we have Hayes and If you're thinking of looking to the draft for a developing ruck/forward it is worth remembering we already have M Heath on the list and in terms of injury cover we have Campbell.

Think there is still an argument for another key back to cover any injuries.

195cm+ key backs
Howard
Cordy

Other key backs
Wilkie
Battle

We do have Hayes but he is recovering from an ACL injury, when the season starts he will only be 11 months into his recovery, i doubt he'll play in the first month.
Then it's Sharman or bust. When the final list lodgement occurs we'll know how Ross views it.

I don't disagree with the idea of signing a ruckman- I do disagree with using a draft pick on one when we have a developing one on the list already.

[skeptic]

Starting 22 we have Hayes and If you're thinking of looking to the draft for a developing ruck/forward it is worth remembering we already have M Heath on the list and in terms of injury cover we have Campbell.

Think there is still an argument for another key back to cover any injuries.

195cm+ key backs
Howard
Cordy

Other key backs
Wilkie
Battle

We do have Hayes but he is recovering from an ACL injury, when the season starts he will only be 11 months into his recovery, i doubt he'll play in the first month.
Then it's Sharman or bust. When the final list lodgement occurs we'll know how Ross views it.

I don't disagree with the idea of signing a ruckman- I do disagree with using a draft pick on one when we have a developing one on the list already.

I had a deep look into our ruck recruiting history a while ago and drew the conclusion that you’re simply better trading a super star ruck and wearing the cost.

When you look at what we’ve tried over 20 years or the strike rate is very poor especially considering what we’ve sunk into it.

Here’s the thread
http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php? ... t#p1931456

[B.M]

There’s only a few elite ruckmen in the AFL

We have a good one

Do not have to waste resources on getting another

[Toy Saint]

Not so sure we're bad at recruiting rucks, we got rid of both of this years GF rucks in Stanley and Hickey as well as the Hawthorn captain and premership ruckman McEvoy.

Perhaps we're just bad at recognizing a capable ruckman.

[Saints58]

Starting 22 we have Hayes and If you're thinking of looking to the draft for a developing ruck/forward it is worth remembering we already have M Heath on the list and in terms of injury cover we have Campbell.

Think there is still an argument for another key back to cover any injuries.

195cm+ key backs
Howard
Cordy

Other key backs
Wilkie
Battle
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What do we do if we come up against KPF 200cm+ does wilkie at 191cm take them we have Dougal but as we saw in 22 we were exposed with only
battle at 193cm if one was out.
Highmore is also 193 cm and does not play as a key back he doesn't have the build more of a HBF so with cordy that will help but there is also use for another KPP/Ruck.
We don't know if heath will make it yet do we pin all our hopes on him with out anyone else.
Oscar Adams may be the player we wont but he has back trouble and hopefully will be able to play out the 23 season, he would be very handy at 198cm but still only a kid at 19.

[B.M]

Very few key forwards got hold of us in ‘22

Mainly thanks to Battle and Wilkie

Howard was exposed a few teams, but Wilkie swapped with him and put the clamps on.

Battle - rarely beaten
I think he had the best success rate in the AFL for not being beaten in a one on one.

Don’t worry about cms

Worry about competitiveness

[Scollop]

We need a forward - ruck (support)

Marshall is a very good ruckman

A very average forward

He needs to be in the ruck 70-80% of the time

How often has St Kilda played Rowan as our Full Forward? I reckon if RoMa was the No. 1 go to forward he'd be a very good forward.

I'm not talking about the support act to Josh Bruce or Max King.

I reckon if he had consistent games for a whole season playing 80% as our FF he'd do ok

Thing is with Roma is that they have never had him trained to play as a key forward. ie He does not do the leading patterns (mind you under Rats neither was King!!!).

Roma mainly just pushes forward.

If he trained as a forward then who knows,

However given our list he is our best option to play No 1 ruck. So play him there. Also Roman is a beast as a follower and a real advantage to us.

The number 1 ruck position is his and I agree that he's best suited as a follower... so hopefully he shines and so does the team in 2022

[D.B.Cooper]

Fisher McAsey is one player I’d consider taking as a rookie.

#6 draft pick so talent was there in draft year.
A few injuries and never settled at Adelaide.

198cm athletic key defender, this will upset a few here but a Dougal Howard clone. Ex Sandy Dragons so a local.

Not sure what went wrong in Adelaide but surely worth considering as a rookie option.

Not that it makes any difference but as pointed out by Kossifan his dad played one game for us in 83.

[Saintmike65]

At the end of 2021 9 players were cut from our list.. 7 of those were talls.
We drafted in Adams & Heath & traded in Cordy, still leaves us short!!