The Ben Long Deal

[bangaulegend]

Typical St.Kilda we recruit him at pick 22 put 5 years of hard yards into him & just as we start to see some reward we trade him out at pick 32 + a fourth round pick

[CURLY]

Typical St.Kilda we recruit him at pick 22 put 5 years of hard yards into him & just as we start to see some reward we trade him out at pick 32 + a fourth round pick

25 in a compromised draft and he was older than the standard draftee.

[CURLY]

Typical St.Kilda we recruit him at pick 22 put 5 years of hard yards into him & just as we start to see some reward we trade him out at pick 32 + a fourth round pick

25 in a compromised draft and he was older than the standard draftee.

[magnifisaint]

It's a fair deal. He wasn't that great.

[Brunswicksainter]

Wow. Can’t help but feel we got dicked in this deal. Pick 32 is essentially a worthless pick.

Not worthless at all,

But would be good to bundle up with a future second for another first rounder?

30 years of data would suggest there is no correlation with picks after 24 in the draft and delayed success. That is to say the historic value of picks 25-58 are discernible.

[Brunswicksainter]

Wow. Can’t help but feel we got dicked in this deal. Pick 32 is essentially a worthless pick.

Not worthless at all,

But would be good to bundle up with a future second for another first rounder?

30 years of data would suggest there is no correlation with picks after 24 in the draft and delayed success. That is to say the historic value of picks 25-58 are discernible.

In other words, pick 32 is historically close to worthless

[Trev from the Bush]

Typical St.Kilda we recruit him at pick 22 put 5 years of hard yards into him & just as we start to see some reward we trade him out at pick 32 + a fourth round pick

That would be a fair comment except you have overlooked the 70+ senior games he has played for us. You speak as if the club has given away an untried draftee. A second round draft pick is a good outcome, getting next year's 4th round pick as well - bonus!

[bangaulegend]

Typical St.Kilda we recruit him at pick 22 put 5 years of hard yards into him & just as we start to see some reward we trade him out at pick 32 + a fourth round pick

That would be a fair comment except you have overlooked the 70+ senior games he has played for us. You speak as if the club has given away an untried draftee. A second round draft pick is a good outcome, getting next year's 4th round pick as well - bonus!

Aren't we giving them the 4 rounder & Long for 32 Maybe I'm wrong not the first time

[SydneySainter]

It's a fair deal. He wasn't that great.

No, we’re the losers in that deal. GC rate him enough to offer him an A-list salary.

[Banger9798]

He'll be good for GC now he is fit.
I reckon they got a bit of a bargain.

[ace]

Saints get pick 32 worth 584 points but give up 2023 4th round pick 67 worth 69 points at present.
So 584 - 69 = 515 points that's between pick 35 and 36.
PIck 69 could end up as a throw away so I like moving up the draft order a few places to 32.
But with father-son picks in play it is hard to say where this pick will finish but at least we don't have academy queue jumping disrupting the order until after pick 40.
Saints pick 9 will be pick 10 when Brisbane claims Ashcroft from saints backyard Sandringham.

Ben long gone.

[skeptic]

Typical St.Kilda we recruit him at pick 22 put 5 years of hard yards into him & just as we start to see some reward we trade him out at pick 32 + a fourth round pick

That would be a fair comment except you have overlooked the 70+ senior games he has played for us. You speak as if the club has given away an untried draftee. A second round draft pick is a good outcome, getting next year's 4th round pick as well - bonus!

Aren't we giving them the 4 rounder & Long for 32 Maybe I'm wrong not the first time

That was my read

[magnifisaint]

He'll be good for GC now he is fit.
I reckon they got a bit of a bargain.

Why couldn't he get fit at St Kilda?

[The Fireman]

He'll be good for GC now he is fit.
I reckon they got a bit of a bargain.

Why couldn't he get fit at St Kilda?

we are going to regret this...im pissed off

[mad saint guy]

Excellent result. 2nd round pick for a depth utility who wasn't best 22.

Good luck Ben, and here's hoping Libba can do something good with pick 32.

[Sainternist]

Wow. Can’t help but feel we got dicked in this deal. Pick 32 is essentially a worthless pick.

Not worthless at all,

But would be good to bundle up with a future second for another first rounder?

30 years of data would suggest there is no correlation with picks after 24 in the draft and delayed success. That is to say the historic value of picks 25-58 are discernible.

Didn’t Fyfe go as a pick in the 30s? That is only one example off the top of my head. I am keen to find other examples of second round picks becoming champion players.

[Sainternist]

He'll be good for GC now he is fit.
I reckon they got a bit of a bargain.

Why couldn't he get fit at St Kilda?

we are going to regret this...im pissed off

The only way we could have kept him was to offer him over $600K. How do you justify that?

[Banger9798]

Wow. Can’t help but feel we got dicked in this deal. Pick 32 is essentially a worthless pick.

Not worthless at all,

But would be good to bundle up with a future second for another first rounder?

30 years of data would suggest there is no correlation with picks after 24 in the draft and delayed success. That is to say the historic value of picks 25-58 are discernible.

Didn’t Fyfe go as a pick in the 30s? That is only one example off the top of my head. I am keen to find other examples of second round picks becoming champion players.

Monty

[Sainternist]

Wow. Can’t help but feel we got dicked in this deal. Pick 32 is essentially a worthless pick.

Not worthless at all,

But would be good to bundle up with a future second for another first rounder?

30 years of data would suggest there is no correlation with picks after 24 in the draft and delayed success. That is to say the historic value of picks 25-58 are discernible.

Didn’t Fyfe go as a pick in the 30s? That is only one example off the top of my head. I am keen to find other examples of second round picks becoming champion players.

Monty

Yeah, Joey went in the late 30s from memory. Also, Jack at pick 42 and I think James Gwilt may have come via a pick as high as around 70.

[Scollop]

Wow. Can’t help but feel we got dicked in this deal. Pick 32 is essentially a worthless pick.

Not worthless at all,

But would be good to bundle up with a future second for another first rounder?

30 years of data would suggest there is no correlation with picks after 24 in the draft and delayed success. That is to say the historic value of picks 25-58 are discernible.

Didn’t Fyfe go as a pick in the 30s? That is only one example off the top of my head. I am keen to find other examples of second round picks becoming champion players.

Luke Parker. Went at pick 40. AA in 2016 and runner up to Danger in the Brownlow that year

Langwarrin Junior Footy Club and Dandenong Stingrays product. 3 x Best and Fairest and half a dozen times top 5.

Tough as nails too

[kosifantutti]

Wow. Can’t help but feel we got dicked in this deal. Pick 32 is essentially a worthless pick.

Not worthless at all,

But would be good to bundle up with a future second for another first rounder?

30 years of data would suggest there is no correlation with picks after 24 in the draft and delayed success. That is to say the historic value of picks 25-58 are discernible.

In other words, pick 32 is historically close to worthless

Top thee in the Brownlow this year:
Pick 13
Pick 58
Pick 29

[B.M]

Fyfe was pick 19 in 2009

[Beno88]

Wow. Can’t help but feel we got dicked in this deal. Pick 32 is essentially a worthless pick.

Not worthless at all,

But would be good to bundle up with a future second for another first rounder?

30 years of data would suggest there is no correlation with picks after 24 in the draft and delayed success. That is to say the historic value of picks 25-58 are discernible.

In other words, pick 32 is historically close to worthless

Short memories around here.

Mitch Owens - Pick 33
Marcus Windhager - Pick 47

[magnifisaint]

He'll be good for GC now he is fit.
I reckon they got a bit of a bargain.

Why couldn't he get fit at St Kilda?

we are going to regret this...im pissed off

The only way we could have kept him was to offer him over $600K. How do you justify that?

You can't. He's only worth half that. A lot of delusional people on here.

[Sanctorum]

Saints get pick 32 worth 584 points but give up 2023 4th round pick 67 worth 69 points at present.
So 584 - 69 = 515 points that's between pick 35 and 36.
PIck 69 could end up as a throw away so I like moving up the draft order a few places to 32.
But with father-son picks in play it is hard to say where this pick will finish but at least we don't have academy queue jumping disrupting the order until after pick 40.
Saints pick 9 will be pick 10 when Brisbane claims Ashcroft from saints backyard Sandringham.

Ben long gone.

That's about right ace, confirmed on Draftguru that St Kilda was paid well above the market rate for Ben Long, yet another smart deal by Gallagher:

https://www.draftguru.com.au/trades/2022-ben-long

I liked Long but he never ever strung together a number of consistent games of above average quality, in fact played by far his best game ever in Round 23, which is not good enough, remains to be seen if he can elevate his performance for the Suns.

Conversely there's every chance the club will pick up a quality youngster at pick 32 that could improve the list.