The Ben Long Deal

[cwrcyn]

Gold Coast have picks 7,25,32,35, 44, 53,68, 71

What I'd like to see is Long & 46 for 25 & 32, but I'm guessing the best we can do will be Long & 46 for 32 & 35.

That would give us 9, 28, 32, 35 instead of 9,28, 46

We've lost Geary, Hannebery, Joyce, Long, Kent & Ryder so we need 6 picks in the draft to cover those losses. Whatever we do in the Long trade it has to increase the number of picks we have.

[older saint]

Unless we can somehow swing the Bowes deal I cant see us getting more than 35 for Long. Out of contract so they hold the cards.

[D.B.Cooper]

Long & #9 for #7 & #35?

Is #9 instead of #7 going to kill the Bowes trade?

2 places could be the difference in securing McKenzie or not if he is our target.

[The Fireman]

Losing long is a big mistake and a step backwards for the club

[chook23]

Losing long is a big mistake and a step backwards for the club

HE wants to go

[Yorkeys]

Losing long is a big mistake and a step backwards for the club

Would have preferred to lose Jones or Butler. Not like for like but the number of times Ben was in the 2s or sub while those other two contributed sfa must have grated.

[skeptic]

Losing long is a big mistake and a step backwards for the club

Would have preferred to lose Jones or Butler. Not like for like but the number of times Ben was in the 2s or sub while those other two contributed sfa must have grated.

Funny… I have the same concern with a few other players.

Bytel for example has been mooted as not being adequately fit to play…
But Hannebery came straight in, then couldn’t play out his first game (2 quartets) nor his second (3 quarters).
Clark clearly couldn’t run out more than 2 quarters
Jones was clearly horribly un match fit bit got a bunch of goes.

Connolly and Bytel didn’t deserve games… Long horribly inconsistent and doesn’t deserve more than he got…

Butler got limitless opportunities, Kent played 2 games he didn’t deserve, Clark played 1 1/2 game im the reserves and was rushed in, Billings got brought back early, Jones didn’t never remotely got close to his peak…

I don’t know what the culture we’re building is… but it is not one where form and hard work are rewarded. It still feels to me that there some way of thinking that goes minds get made up and once you’re in you’re in.

Don’t know why a player like Bytel would give it everything he has…
Why would he bother when others will just walk in

[Vortex]

Losing long is a big mistake and a step backwards for the club

Would have preferred to lose Jones or Butler. Not like for like but the number of times Ben was in the 2s or sub while those other two contributed sfa must have grated.

Funny… I have the same concern with a few other players.

Bytel for example has been mooted as not being adequately fit to play…
But Hannebery came straight in, then couldn’t play out his first game (2 quartets) nor his second (3 quarters).
Clark clearly couldn’t run out more than 2 quarters
Jones was clearly horribly un match fit bit got a bunch of goes.

Connolly and Bytel didn’t deserve games… Long horribly inconsistent and doesn’t deserve more than he got…

Butler got limitless opportunities, Kent played 2 games he didn’t deserve, Clark played 1 1/2 game im the reserves and was rushed in, Billings got brought back early, Jones didn’t never remotely got close to his peak…

I don’t know what the culture we’re building is… but it is not one where form and hard work are rewarded. It still feels to me that there some way of thinking that goes minds get made up and once you’re in you’re in.

Don’t know why a player like Bytel would give it everything he has…
Why would he bother when others will just walk in

two words...false narrative.

[Sainter_Dad]

Losing long is a big mistake and a step backwards for the club

Would have preferred to lose Jones or Butler. Not like for like but the number of times Ben was in the 2s or sub while those other two contributed sfa must have grated.

Funny… I have the same concern with a few other players.

Bytel for example has been mooted as not being adequately fit to play…
But Hannebery came straight in, then couldn’t play out his first game (2 quartets) nor his second (3 quarters).
Clark clearly couldn’t run out more than 2 quarters
Jones was clearly horribly un match fit bit got a bunch of goes.

Connolly and Bytel didn’t deserve games… Long horribly inconsistent and doesn’t deserve more than he got…

Butler got limitless opportunities, Kent played 2 games he didn’t deserve, Clark played 1 1/2 game im the reserves and was rushed in, Billings got brought back early, Jones didn’t never remotely got close to his peak…

I don’t know what the culture we’re building is… but it is not one where form and hard work are rewarded. It still feels to me that there some way of thinking that goes minds get made up and once you’re in you’re in.

Don’t know why a player like Bytel would give it everything he has…
Why would he bother when others will just walk in

Not the entire story - but some of those that 'walked straight in' bought a point of difference - Bytel is unfortunately 'More of Same'.

Kent - well paint me yellow and call me a banana if I can explain that but Hanners, Clark and Jones all had/have a point of difference

[saintkid]

Losing long is a big mistake and a step backwards for the club

HE wants to go

If he was valued more, he wouldn't have wanted to go.

[magnifisaint]

Losing long is a big mistake and a step backwards for the club

One good game in 5 or 6 years.

[Scollop]

Losing long is a big mistake and a step backwards for the club

One good game in 5 or 6 years.

That's better track record than you. 18 years and you're still posting crap!

[magnifisaint]

Losing long is a big mistake and a step backwards for the club

One good game in 5 or 6 years.

That's better track record than you. 18 years and you're still posting crap!

Wow, congratulations You really pay attention!

[mad saint guy]

I'm guessing we'll ask for 25, GC will offer pick 35. We'll accept pick 32

[Scollop]

Losing long is a big mistake and a step backwards for the club

One good game in 5 or 6 years.

That's better track record than you. 18 years and you're still posting crap!

Wow, congratulations You really pay attention!

That's the whole point.

I understand you're not on your Pat Malone. I know people like to look at meaningless stats instead of really paying attention to the value a player provides

I'd rather a guy has 10 touches, busts his arse and does the 1%ers and gets his knees dirty rather than getting 20 disposals where half of them are direct turnovers.

If our coaches don't recognise the strengths of a player and if the leadership group of players don't embrace every player as they develop and grow and mature, then this is what happens

The link below is a discussion where the views are divided (after the Cats game this year). All I know is that he is a player who is critical if we want to beat the top sides. He played his part when we beat Geelong this year

viewtopic.php?p=1954554#p1954554

[SaintPav]

If I wanted to read rubbish I’d go over to the General Forum.

[chook23]

I'm guessing we'll ask for 25, GC will offer pick 35. We'll accept pick 32

will struggle to get 32 for him

[D.B.Cooper]

Don’t know why a player like Bytel would give it everything he has…
Why would he bother when others will just walk in

Pride, grit and perseverance.

Hopefully he’s not a sook blaming others for him not getting a game.

I agree others appear to get games regardless of fitness, performance etc.

Just get in and focus on what you can control.

I don’t think he’ll make it, but I’d love to see him do so.

[ace]

Losing long is a big mistake and a step backwards for the club

One good game in 5 or 6 years.

That's better track record than you. 18 years and you're still posting crap!

Wow, congratulations You really pay attention!

There has to be an upside to Long leaving.
Maybe Scollop will leave for the Gold Coast too.

[Sainternist]

Losing long is a big mistake and a step backwards for the club

So, you’d be happy for the club to pay him more than $600K?

[Scollop]

Losing long is a big mistake and a step backwards for the club

One good game in 5 or 6 years.

That's better track record than you. 18 years and you're still posting crap!

Wow, congratulations You really pay attention!

There has to be an upside to Long leaving.
Maybe Scollop will leave for the Gold Coast too.

Sorry…not a chance. I know you want to ban certain types, but it’s against the law

You can’t have a fan forum that excludes molluscs

[magnifisaint]

If GC want to pay him 600k then they can give up pick 25. I don't think he's worth either.

[repta]

Ben Long is an average footballer.

However his mongrel is worth ever cent. The ability to make others second guess, pause or hesitate is understated in todays game. Strong around the ball.

It makes him a far better player (or team inclusion) than his stats suggest.

[repta]

If GC want to pay him 600k then they can give up pick 25. I don't think he's worth either.

Are they really offering $600k for Long .....

Wow they are desperate. They are giving away pick 7 for foolish contracting ..... dont they need a salary cap dump? They couldnt use it all on Long ... surely?

[magnifisaint]

If GC want to pay him 600k then they can give up pick 25. I don't think he's worth either.

Are they really offering $600k for Long .....

Wow they are desperate. They are giving away pick 7 for foolish contracting ..... dont they need a salary cap dump? They couldnt use it all on Long ... surely?

That's whats being reported. He might be worth half that.