How good are Geelong and how far away are we .

[Rubyjo]

A million freaking miles . Culture the DNA of a club that is instilled on the journey over a decade or two . It's been said alot Selwood has played more finals than the St kilda football club has . That can't be right . We are so lost as a club .

[Scollop]

There are countless threads in the last 15 years on this forum that talk about the pillars of a footy club and how you build sustained success.

It starts from the top. It starts with an administration that is competent, and has consultation and is ambitious and is harmonious in it’s pursuit of excellence.

[saintkid]

We were all thinking that today Rubyio. So much more talent, so well drilled and physically dominant to most on our list.
No shortage of on-field inspirational leaders that set an example for the younger players and are genuine matchwinners.
Their higher paid players are the epitome of all this, which is so vital to a successful culture, not like Hannebery and Hill.
Steele has been crying out for support for several years now and these two were far from the right choice,
Recruiting failure of the highest order that inexplicably still remains unaccountable.

[WellardSaint]

A million freaking miles . Culture the DNA of a club that is instilled on the journey over a decade or two . It's been said alot Selwood has played more finals than the St kilda football club has . That can't be right . We are so lost as a club .

Selwood has won 22 finals.
Our club, since 1873, has won 21

[WellardSaint]

We were all thinking that today Rubyio. So much more talent, so well drilled and physically dominant to most on our list.
No shortage of on-field inspirational leaders that set an example for the younger players and are genuine matchwinners.
Their higher paid players are the epitome of all this, which is so vital to a successful culture, not like Hannebery and Hill.
Steele has been crying out for support for several years now and these two were far from the right choice,
Recruiting failure of the highest order that inexplicably still remains unaccountable.

Throwing a lot of money at Hill in particular, is silly, because it appears anyone who comes for the $$ doesn't care enough about the actual club.
JDG, if we got him (we won't) he'll lower his standards and won't give a Ratts about our club.
He'll do just enough to stay in the seniors.
He knows he's best 22 in our squad, and only misses out through suspension and injury.
Not much chance of injury when he'll be going at 75% effort and not tackling

[bangaulegend]

Very hard to compete with a destination club . Hat's off to Geelong for creating that culture & environment that has players wanting to go there . They have been there about's for 20years we can only wish to be that resilient

[cwrcyn]

Well. Dangerfield and Cameron didn't come to us. The durability of Selwood, Hawkins, Gutthrie, and Blicavs has been extraordinary.

As for on field football culture, Selwood has been inspirational, demanding, and courageous. He has set the standard since day one. He piles it on the opposition, too, when required. It has also helped Geelong that for a lot of his career he has been a match winner

Riewoldt had those qualities, too, and wasn't afraid to call out team mates who weren't lifting their standards


The Cats have benefitted from father son selections that helped set up this long period of succes, but the real mastermind was Stephen Wells, the best recruiter of the past 25 years.

Without his eye for spotting talent they would not have achieved this level.of success.

A stable environment where everyone is working together and recruiting the best talent is the key.

No club has won a premiership by failing at recruiting

[CQ SAINT]

There are countless threads in the last 15 years on this forum that talk about the pillars of a footy club and how you build sustained success.

It starts from the top. It starts with an administration that is competent, and has consultation and is ambitious and is harmonious in it’s pursuit of excellence.

Until they get caught, when someone looks under the carpet.

[bangaulegend]

There are countless threads in the last 15 years on this forum that talk about the pillars of a footy club and how you build sustained success.

It starts from the top. It starts with an administration that is competent, and has consultation and is ambitious and is harmonious in it’s pursuit of excellence.

Until they get caught, when someone looks under the carpet.

What are you suggesting CQ?

[CQ SAINT]

There are countless threads in the last 15 years on this forum that talk about the pillars of a footy club and how you build sustained success.

It starts from the top. It starts with an administration that is competent, and has consultation and is ambitious and is harmonious in it’s pursuit of excellence.

Until they get caught, when someone looks under the carpet.

What are you suggesting CQ?

I'm not really sure. I'm very interested in what's currently going on over atJim Crowthorn at the moment though.

[cwrcyn]

Success hides imperfections, and every club has them. Clubs with awful cultures have won premierships, and clubs with good ones haven't, and vice versa.

A big pile of talent, oddly enough, seems to be the common thread in winning one.

No club has won one without it. Funny about that

[bangaulegend]

There are countless threads in the last 15 years on this forum that talk about the pillars of a footy club and how you build sustained success.

It starts from the top. It starts with an administration that is competent, and has consultation and is ambitious and is harmonious in it’s pursuit of excellence.

Until they get caught, when someone looks under the carpet.

What are you suggesting CQ?

I'm not really sure. I'm very interested in what's currently going on over atJim Crowthorn at the moment though.

Really !! obviously something underhanded

[Trev from the Bush]

I stand to be corrected but the last team to beat Geelong was......us?

On field talent is one thing but the major difference between Geelong and St Kilda is Geelong supporters don't talk there club down.

[Yorkeys]

We are not that far behind at all with our best team on the park.
We beat them this year.
They have a huge home ground advantage, unique experience and recruiters that value big bodies.
Pies ran them close. Sydney were terrible, just hopeless.
We are building but need bit better coaching and to seriously think about how productive our smaller forwards are or are not and the reasons.

[cwrcyn]

As for Jim Crowthorn, just another example of the myths surrounding successful coaches and clubs. Every club has it's dirty secrets, irrespective of what the footy fanboys posing as journalists say when bloviating over their favourite coaches

[saintkid]

I stand to be corrected but the last team to beat Geelong was......us?

On field talent is one thing but the major difference between Geelong and St Kilda is Geelong supporters don't talk there club down.

Really? Is that your take here after our embarrassing second half of the season? It's the St Kilda supporters that only talk their club down and not Geelong's?
Geelong now have 4 premierships since 2007. Fact.
Winners are grinners and it's been a great turnaround after they were on the receiving end of both media and supporter negative hype earlier in the year.
I'd have been happy with just ONE St Kilda premiership since 2007.

[cwrcyn]

Back on us v Geelong, we are a pretty good football team with a couple of pieces missing from the puzzle. Good decisions made this year and next will see us being contenders. Bad ones could see us stagnate in that 7th to 13th zone on the ladder

You'd swear were worse than North Melbourne judging by whats written on this forum, though

[bangaulegend]

I stand to be corrected but the last team to beat Geelong was......us?

On field talent is one thing but the major difference between Geelong and St Kilda is Geelong supporters don't talk there club down.

IMO that is not true I know lot's of Geelong supporters that were very unhappy with the the club the coach the list not so long ago but hey winners are grinners . A year is along time in football

[bangaulegend]

Back on us v Geelong, we are a pretty good football team with a couple of pieces missing from the puzzle. Good decisions made this year and next will see us being contenders. Bad ones could see us stagnate in that 7th to 13th zone on the ladder

You'd swear were worse than North Melbourne judging by whats written on this forum, though

I guess we will see next year jury still out

[Killa]

Those who prosecute going to the Draft to “rebuild” St Kilda received a brutal lesson today

Experienced, hard bodies win finals

Players over 30 years of age with over 200 games behind them

And, with that demographic dominant you add one or two younger players, these very few younger players having the support and protection from the dominant demographic

St Kilda (will) have just Campbell, Hill, Ross and Webster, just at 30 or over in 2023

And in building our core of experienced, hard bodies there are those on here who prosecute the trade of Hill, Clark, Gresham et al to bring in 18 year olds seeking success

We have lost our 2 class, experienced players ahead of 2023 being Ryder and Hannebery - retaining only Hill as class

Geelong go out and recruit the likes of Smith, at 33 years of age from Hawthorn

St Kilda add Wanganeen-Milera, Windhager and Owens

I am not suggesting we recruit 33 year olds - but we do need to look at who is available in the mid 20’s group to add to those already on our List and who are approaching mid 20’s and 100 games

It would not surprise me to hear that Geelong approach Hannebery as a replacement for Higgins, from NM and now retired

That is how they do it

Interesting that we were the last side to beat Geelong - with Ryder’s tap to Billings instrumental

There is no doubt that the likes of Heath and Peris will debut in 2023

When we played Geelong at Geelong we were (again) forced to play the inexperienced Sharman in defence because he is mobile and can jump to spoil

How long can Geelong continue their model?

There has to be an end date, where they just lose too many to retirement

And when we take their place with an experienced, mature side

[aaron82]

This narrative that we beat Geelong during the season meaning we aren’t far away is laughable.

We also flogged Richmond by 15 goals the season they started their 3 flags in 4 years run. How did we perform over the following seasons?

We are seduced by the occasional good performance at Marvel Stadium. Until we start beating strong teams interstate (Sydney, Brisbane) & consistently challenge & beat strong teams at the G on the rare occasions we play there we are miles away. Currently closer to the bottom than the top.

I’m comfortable with the thoughts of trading solid players out for top 10 draft picks. We need to add more elite talent to the list.

[Killa]

Interesting also that in Norwood’s flag winning side last week were Jarvis and Kennelly, both back from Geelong after being recruited as 18 year olds over the past couple of seasons and let go by Geelong as 20 year olds - to return to where they played their junior football

Then Taheny, in exactly the same boat, could not make the side last week

Geelong recruit 33 year olds and the kids go home

[Killa]

Interesting also that in Norwood’s flag winning side last week were Jarvis and Kennelly, both back from Geelong after being recruited as 18 year olds over the past couple of seasons and let go by Geelong as 20 year olds - to return to where they played their junior football

Then Taheny, in exactly the same boat, could not make the side last week

Geelong recruit 33 year olds and the kids go home

[SydneySainter]

A club that has established a culture of demanding success and doesn’t look for excuses as to why it can’t achieve it.

Complete opposite to St Kilda.

[shanegrambeau]

Cattle vs Fodder

Do we have the cattle?
(players - talent, attitude, fitness, knowledge and sense, healthy and realistic mindsets)

Are we feeding them the right fodder?
(Coaching - structures, leadership, plans, strategies, capacity to inspire and instill the doctrines we need)

Vs Geelong

Cattle
I'd say we are about 30% behind
Fodder
50%