Brad Hill - trade?

[wally]

What did we give up for him to freo? Was it a first round pick plus Acres we need to get something back

[bangaulegend]

As I've said numerous times Brad Hill is a good footballer at a good team . The game plan & the quality of our team doesn't suit Hills game hence he has performed below expectation . IMO we gave up way too much & paid him way too much & I said this before he played a game . His form has been up & down the occasional fantastic game but way too many like last weekend. If we trade him we will have to pay part of his salary for sure & I'm unsure if he will have too many interested in services for the money he would want. But if he has put his hand up he obviously isn't happy at St.Kilda & who could blame him

[maverick]

Possible trade
Swap north pick 1 for our pick 9 plus Hill
We split pick 1 into pick 7 and say 13
We split 13 into 18 and 30
We get 3 picks inside 30

And yes north could do the swap of pick 1 and give us pick 13 instead

North drop a few spots and get hill

Only possible if clarko gets there obviously

[whiskers3614]

Possible trade
Swap north pick 1 for our pick 9 plus Hill
We split pick 1 into pick 7 and say 13
We split 13 into 18 and 30
We get 3 picks inside 30

And yes north could do the swap of pick 1 and give us pick 13 instead

North drop a few spots and get hill

Only possible if clarko gets there obviously

You forgot to mention the "Treloar" aspect of the deal.
Is Hill worth $400 or $450k p.a to North?

[shanegrambeau]

Bottom line is always, is St Kilda better with Hill running around in the 22 this Sunday.
I say a yes.

Caveat - it could all change and he could decide to Jacko handstands on the wing for all I know-

Key point is always Never mind he is running on 50% of his best or that he hasn’t found his position or is low on confidence simply.
Are we better ? Is all we need to ask.
This the competitive mindset the pros must be using

[bangaulegend]

Bottom line is always, is St Kilda better with Hill running around in the 22 this Sunday.
I say a yes.

Caveat - it could all change and he could decide to Jacko handstands on the wing for all I know-

Key point is always Never mind he is running on 50% of his best or that he hasn’t found his position or is low on confidence simply.
Are we better ? Is all we need to ask.
This the competitive mindset the pros must be using

Definitely better SG but for the money we are paying him he needs to to be a lot better on a consistent basis IMO.

[Yorkeys]

Bottom line is always, is St Kilda better with Hill running around in the 22 this Sunday.
I say a yes.

Caveat - it could all change and he could decide to Jacko handstands on the wing for all I know-

Key point is always Never mind he is running on 50% of his best or that he hasn’t found his position or is low on confidence simply.
Are we better ? Is all we need to ask.
This the competitive mindset the pros must be using

Definitely better SG but for the money we are paying him he needs to to be a lot better on a consistent basis IMO.

Not his problem, Saints agreed a price and it was clear what Brad brought to the table. Whoever signed off over estimated our list. Brad is now a niche commodity so any trade is proportionally problematic.

[SaintDippa]

Don't think Sinclair would be a fan of Hill leaving.

[saintsRrising]

Don't think Sinclair would be a fan of Hill leaving.

Coffield will be looking to make the other HBF position his in 2023.

[Banger9798]

Possible trade
Swap north pick 1 for our pick 9 plus Hill
We split pick 1 into pick 7 and say 13
We split 13 into 18 and 30
We get 3 picks inside 30

And yes north could do the swap of pick 1 and give us pick 13 instead

North drop a few spots and get hill

Only possible if clarko gets there obviously

No chance pick 1 for Hill and our FRDP

If we got a second rounder for Hill, and they took most of his wage, that would be a possibility.

He is 28

[Moods]

Way too many excuses made for a player paid unbelievable money who, let’s face it, had a habit of squibbing constantly. This absolute rubbish that he’s ‘cream on the cake’ is nauseating. Craig Bradley was an outside runner who hit targets but tackled, chased and contributed defensively. He was no Ken Hunter, but he contributed every week. Hill should be deadset ashamed of some of his efforts in the last 3 years. It’s almost as if some of us have an inferiority complex about our club. If a supposedly great footballer comes to our club and performs poorly, it must somehow be our fault…..

If Hill wants to leave after his measly contribution at our club he can leave and be prepared to break contract and negotiate another contract at another club. It’s galling enough that we’re paying him 900k a year to fold like a deck chair anytime real pressure is applied, let alone paying him at another club. Otherwise he can hang around and actually do what we pay him to do. Perform!

[Banger9798]

Way too many excuses made for a player paid unbelievable money who, let’s face it, had a habit of squibbing constantly. This absolute rubbish that he’s ‘cream on the cake’ is nauseating. Craig Bradley was an outside runner who hit targets but tackled, chased and contributed defensively. He was no Ken Hunter, but he contributed every week. Hill should be deadset ashamed of some of his efforts in the last 3 years. It’s almost as if some of us have an inferiority complex about our club. If a supposedly great footballer comes to our club and performs poorly, it must somehow be our fault…..

If Hill wants to leave after his measly contribution at our club he can leave and be prepared to break contract and negotiate another contract at another club. It’s galling enough that we’re paying him 900k a year to fold like a deck chair anytime real pressure is applied, let alone paying him at another club. Otherwise he can hang around and actually do what we pay him to do. Perform!

Fair call.

[Brunswicksainter]

Possible trade
Swap north pick 1 for our pick 9 plus Hill
We split pick 1 into pick 7 and say 13
We split 13 into 18 and 30
We get 3 picks inside 30

And yes north could do the swap of pick 1 and give us pick 13 instead

North drop a few spots and get hill

Only possible if clarko gets there obviously

I like the first part of the trade but no way north would accept that. Hill is worth a third rounder at best.

As for the 2nd part, pick 18 and 30 are close to worthless picks and historical data would suggest there’s no difference between pick 30 and a pick in the 60’s in relation to games played and all Australians drafted.

[Saintly66]

Way too many excuses made for a player paid unbelievable money who, let’s face it, had a habit of squibbing constantly. This absolute rubbish that he’s ‘cream on the cake’ is nauseating. Craig Bradley was an outside runner who hit targets but tackled, chased and contributed defensively. He was no Ken Hunter, but he contributed every week. Hill should be deadset ashamed of some of his efforts in the last 3 years. It’s almost as if some of us have an inferiority complex about our club. If a supposedly great footballer comes to our club and performs poorly, it must somehow be our fault…..

If Hill wants to leave after his measly contribution at our club he can leave and be prepared to break contract and negotiate another contract at another club. It’s galling enough that we’re paying him 900k a year to fold like a deck chair anytime real pressure is applied, let alone paying him at another club. Otherwise he can hang around and actually do what we pay him to do. Perform!

Can’t remember Bradles playing too many bad games either, poster boy for consistency.

[shanegrambeau]

Way too many excuses made for a player paid unbelievable money who, let’s face it, had a habit of squibbing constantly. This absolute rubbish that he’s ‘cream on the cake’ is nauseating. Craig Bradley was an outside runner who hit targets but tackled, chased and contributed defensively. He was no Ken Hunter, but he contributed every week. Hill should be deadset ashamed of some of his efforts in the last 3 years. It’s almost as if some of us have an inferiority complex about our club. If a supposedly great footballer comes to our club and performs poorly, it must somehow be our fault…..

If Hill wants to leave after his measly contribution at our club he can leave and be prepared to break contract and negotiate another contract at another club. It’s galling enough that we’re paying him 900k a year to fold like a deck chair anytime real pressure is applied, let alone paying him at another club. Otherwise he can hang around and actually do what we pay him to do. Perform!

He was B & F at Freo … that don’t come cheap.

Moreover, not his fault he got a fat pay check.

Do wonder about how he set up at the Saints tho.

I really feel he was a barometer at times.

[Rubyjo]

Way too many excuses made for a player paid unbelievable money who, let’s face it, had a habit of squibbing constantly. This absolute rubbish that he’s ‘cream on the cake’ is nauseating. Craig Bradley was an outside runner who hit targets but tackled, chased and contributed defensively. He was no Ken Hunter, but he contributed every week. Hill should be deadset ashamed of some of his efforts in the last 3 years. It’s almost as if some of us have an inferiority complex about our club. If a supposedly great footballer comes to our club and performs poorly, it must somehow be our fault…..

If Hill wants to leave after his measly contribution at our club he can leave and be prepared to break contract and negotiate another contract at another club. It’s galling enough that we’re paying him 900k a year to fold like a deck chair anytime real pressure is applied, let alone paying him at another club. Otherwise he can hang around and actually do what we pay him to do. Perform!

Fair call.

100%

[Life Long Saint]

What did we give up for him to freo? Was it a first round pick plus Acres we need to get something back

Overall, we lost/gained:
Lost:
Picks 6, 59, 76
2020 2nd round, 3rd round, 4th round
Steven, Bruce, Acres

Gained:
Pick 51
Ryder, Howard, Jones, Hill, Butler
2020 4th round (PA), 4th round (SY)

Draft:
52 – Ryan Byrnes
64 – Leo Connolly

In isolation we gave Acres, picks 10, 58, future 2nd and 4th round for Hill and a future 3rd.
We got pick 10 by trading picks 6 and 59 to GWS for picks 12 & 18, then on-trading these plus a future 3rd to get Ryder, Howard, pick 10, and a future 4th from Port.

We did some pretty special things with pick 6!

[Moods]

Way too many excuses made for a player paid unbelievable money who, let’s face it, had a habit of squibbing constantly. This absolute rubbish that he’s ‘cream on the cake’ is nauseating. Craig Bradley was an outside runner who hit targets but tackled, chased and contributed defensively. He was no Ken Hunter, but he contributed every week. Hill should be deadset ashamed of some of his efforts in the last 3 years. It’s almost as if some of us have an inferiority complex about our club. If a supposedly great footballer comes to our club and performs poorly, it must somehow be our fault…..

If Hill wants to leave after his measly contribution at our club he can leave and be prepared to break contract and negotiate another contract at another club. It’s galling enough that we’re paying him 900k a year to fold like a deck chair anytime real pressure is applied, let alone paying him at another club. Otherwise he can hang around and actually do what we pay him to do. Perform!

He was B & F at Freo … that don’t come cheap.

Moreover, not his fault he got a fat pay check.

Do wonder about how he set up at the Saints tho.

I really feel he was a barometer at times.

No agree. But the fatter the pay check the higher the scrutiny and expectations. That’s how the world works. I’ve found his time at Saints dreadfully disappointing though. And I reckon the coaches have done everything possible to accommodate him and make him look good. If you take the field there are moments you simply have to commit the body, whether it be a tackle or body line the ball. Too many times he wasn’t committed. To say, ‘that’s not his go’ is a complete cop out imo.

[Kick-it-lace-out]

I think that if Brad Hill had come across for $500K and a second round draft choice there wouldn't be as much outrage/disappointment surrounding his output. The fact that he came across for a first rounder + player (Acres) and on $900K brings a certain level of expectation, which he hasn't been able to live up to. It's the same as how people judge Billings. Had he been drafted at pick 35, we wouldn't be judging him so harshly.
Both of these decisions are on the club, and I hope this review flushes the individuals involved with these sorts of decisions out of our club once and for all.

[chook23]

I think that if Brad Hill had come across for $500K and a second round draft choice there wouldn't be as much outrage/disappointment surrounding his output. The fact that he came across for a first rounder + player (Acres) and on $900K brings a certain level of expectation, which he hasn't been able to live up to. It's the same as how people judge Billings. Had he been drafted at pick 35, we wouldn't be judging him so harshly.
Both of these decisions are on the club, and I hope this review flushes the individuals involved with these sorts of decisions out of our club once and for all.

Some of those decision makers are reviewers.....

[SaintWiki]

With the report of Brad Hill interested in going to North Melbourne it could end up being good for St Kilda since the current coaching staff haven't worked out how to use his strengths anyway. but you can bet Clarkson will if he wants him. Hill seems to have worked out that the Saints aren't going anywhere and it must be so frustrating for all the players under this regime at the moment - Him and along with the Hannebery retirement may be what we need to pick up some decent players if a good Hill trade can be negotiated favourably. But I am bracing myself to having to watch Hill starring under a more competent coach, like so many of our other cast off's.

Hill https://www.zerohanger.com/st-kilda-vet ... ws-125965/

Hill https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/report ... c-7930396

Hannebery https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/retireme ... -c-7915270

[Banger9798]

Hill always tried to take the game on and attack the corridor. Same can't be said for most other players who were chipping it around the wings or backwards.

He seemed to be a good influence on Sinclair , Jones , Gresham and Crouch

Reckon he is too maligned over all, although some of his soft efforts are impossible overlook

[desertsaint]

just another victim of the st kilda curse. watch him improve when he leaves. always felt he was a level above most of his team mates, but some players rise and fall with the team. especially our team.

[Devilhead]

To me Hill always looked far too casual in his approach about everything ..... he occasionally showed the odd flash of desperation but he couldn't take an overhead mark to save himself or hold a tackle ..... and some of those casual kicks falling short, into the oncoming player, missing easy targets had me burying my head in my hands .... the fact that he is nearly 30 with more than likely his best behind him ..... thanks Brad

We need to move on ..... he ain't the answer

[Wayne42]

Speaking of the Brad Hill trade, what about the story from some journo that Acres could be off to Carlton in the trade period.