Shaman , have to keep playing him.

[davidgrantfan]

Dont understand why they thought throwing Sharman into the ruck was a good idea. He got rag dolled.
He is a dab kick for goal ( usually ) and yes we should cetainly keep playing him...

[Vortex]

Doesn't get much tougher for a raw, young key forward than a game where his team is absolutely mauled at the ridiculously small ground that is the SCG. Especially when kicking to a lead isn't part of the game plan.

He didn't have a good game but he did come very close to taking some epic marks and he busted some packs open. No one else presented at the footy with the same intent in that game

See this is why Sharmans's legend is excessively disproportionate to his actual ability. Claiming he split the packs open sounds fantastic, but it was very poor play by a kid who isn't up to the standard, not only did he fly for the same ball as King who actually had every right to be in the contest, really all he was doing was going for a cheap flashy mark from behind a pack. It looks fantastic when it comes off. He cant do the basics and he can't do the basics incredibly poorly. He's not going to make the grade at this stage without a mountain of learning his craft VFL level and even then I don't think he will.

And Crickey if he makes the grade it will be because the coaches have found a game plan that fits his very limited skill set. He has the turning circle of tbe titanic and is useless below is kneees and he refused to chase and tackle so there is no way he can be a forward that plays up the ground.

It's time we get realistic about what this kid can and can't do.

It’s not about his legend that’s just dross
We have a kid who is raw who was thrown in the ruck and who did at least move to the ball/crash a pack and try
He is not our issue
Silent Tim Membrey - where the fork are you Tim?????
Stupid midfielders like Zac Jones who just fumble turn it over or give away free kicks ….you would hate to be a forward in a side waiting for him to deliver it to you
Sharman may not make it but this team is treading water with the sane old beige players failing to stand up when you need them - we all know them
Butler
Jones
Membrey
Webster
Billing’s
Ross
These guys are meh AFL players who would not get games in top 4 sides let’s be real
Plus a coach who refuses to install a game plan that allows our forwards to lead up at the ball and insists on the long bomb strategy which is a failure
Much bigger issues than Sharman
Anyway season is cooked so keep playing the kid ffs and at least show some faith before we toss him aside after 1 total team Shyte game and suggest it’s his fault
We are good at destroying players confidence at St Kilda
Paddy McCsrtin now looks a star defender
Hickey a superstar ruck…
We are flogging Rowan Marshall….
Sharman least of the issues abd should be played

Absolutely Sharman is the least of our issues, but more importantly he has no place on an AFL field presently. He is so far out of his depth, was it 6 touches last night, on the back of 7 touches last week in a VFL game. The insistence he should be played is counter productive to the pursuit of a football club, firstly because you should be trying to win every game you play, and secondly you develop players by selecting them in games that give them the best opportunity for growth. Ironically insisting he should remain on an AFL field to develop is possibly the worst place for him right now. He needs hide away at VFL level for the remainder of the 22 season and hopefully have successful pre season and then re attempt to prove he can play AFL in 2023.

As pointed out, Sharman is the least of our issues, but more importantly he wont be the solution any time soon.

[B.M]

Sharman is an OK mark and a good kick

But so was Arryn Siposs

He was absolutely towelled up by Blakey last night and has many deficiencies in his game.

Highmore
Too good for VFL

But behind Battle and Wilkie who haven’t missed a beat

[Vortex]

Sharman is an OK mark and a good kick

But so was Arryn Siposs

He was absolutely towelled up by Blakey last night and has many deficiencies in his game.

Highmore
Too good for VFL

But behind Battle and Wilkie who haven’t missed a beat

outside of running in straight lines to attempt mark of the century, he looks incredibly slow and cumbersome, lacks intensity, has the turning circle of the titanic, doesn't look like he's capable of reaching for anything below his knees and probably saves the most on weekly washing as his jumper never gets dirty.

But as you rightfully point out, is an ok mark and kicks ok and that's not based on any of his 6 touches last night because you'd think all Saints supporters have already forgotten that shocking set shot shank, even Kingy wouldn't have butchered that shot as much.

[saynta]

Showed he can develop as FF. Can fly .Needs time.

Not AFL standard, at the moment anyway. May improve with more games....in the VFL.

[bigcarl]

Showed he can develop as FF. Can fly .Needs time.

Not AFL standard, at the moment anyway. May improve with more games....in the VFL.

Agree. Doesn’t have the tank yet.

Maybe should have brought Campbell in for Ryder. At least then Marshall could have spent some time forward. We lack a strong physical presence down there.

[Teflon]

Sharman is an OK mark and a good kick

But so was Arryn Siposs

He was absolutely towelled up by Blakey last night and has many deficiencies in his game.

Highmore
Too good for VFL

But behind Battle and Wilkie who haven’t missed a beat

outside of running in straight lines to attempt mark of the century, he looks incredibly slow and cumbersome, lacks intensity, has the turning circle of the titanic, doesn't look like he's capable of reaching for anything below his knees and probably saves the most on weekly washing as his jumper never gets dirty.

But as you rightfully point out, is an ok mark and kicks ok and that's not based on any of his 6 touches last night because you'd think all Saints supporters have already forgotten that shocking set shot shank, even Kingy wouldn't have butchered that shot as much.

After our lowest score against Swans in a half since 1920 Sharman doesn’t deserve a game at AFL
That’s your answer to that Shyte served up last night???
Delusional
It’s not about winning every game now - we are treading water
It’s about how do you bring the next group through - Sharman is part of that it st least you find out
Anyway, let’s hear how you think Tim Membrey is going to revitalise us up forward or maybe we just keep the revolving door going, do the same thing and bring Higgins back next week after seeing Sharman play 1 game in a team demoralising loss??
Just incredibly short sighted and typical St Kilda - it’s why we can’t develop kids ….we tear them down if they aren’t the messiah after a handful of games
Embarrassing really.

[B.M]

6 touches

Lowest ranked player on the ground

[Teflon]

6 touches

Lowest ranked player on the ground

Kid in a forward plan bereft of structure
Max King looked Shyte last night

[skeptic]

6 touches

Lowest ranked player on the ground

Would be close to least amount of games too

[Crossy66]

Sharman is an OK mark and a good kick

But so was Arryn Siposs

He was absolutely towelled up by Blakey last night and has many deficiencies in his game.

Highmore
Too good for VFL

But behind Battle and Wilkie who haven’t missed a beat

outside of running in straight lines to attempt mark of the century, he looks incredibly slow and cumbersome, lacks intensity, has the turning circle of the titanic, doesn't look like he's capable of reaching for anything below his knees and probably saves the most on weekly washing as his jumper never gets dirty.

But as you rightfully point out, is an ok mark and kicks ok and that's not based on any of his 6 touches last night because you'd think all Saints supporters have already forgotten that shocking set shot shank, even Kingy wouldn't have butchered that shot as much.

After our lowest score against Swans in a half since 1920 Sharman doesn’t deserve a game at AFL
That’s your answer to that Shyte served up last night???
Delusional
It’s not about winning every game now - we are treading water
It’s about how do you bring the next group through - Sharman is part of that it st least you find out
Anyway, let’s hear how you think Tim Membrey is going to revitalise us up forward or maybe we just keep the revolving door going, do the same thing and bring Higgins back next week after seeing Sharman play 1 game in a team demoralising loss??
Just incredibly short sighted and typical St Kilda - it’s why we can’t develop kids ….we tear them down if they aren’t the messiah after a handful of games
Embarrassing really.

You're right, we need to develop the raw talent - the likes of Sharman Allison, Heath. The place to do that is in the VFL, rather than destroy them in the AFL when they are not ready and face intense scrutiny

[SaintPav]

He struggled but who didn’t.

He didn’t do that worse than King and others.

What’s the story with Jack Billings?

We need to talk about Jack.

Concerning.

[Teflon]

Sharman is an OK mark and a good kick

But so was Arryn Siposs

He was absolutely towelled up by Blakey last night and has many deficiencies in his game.

Highmore
Too good for VFL

But behind Battle and Wilkie who haven’t missed a beat

outside of running in straight lines to attempt mark of the century, he looks incredibly slow and cumbersome, lacks intensity, has the turning circle of the titanic, doesn't look like he's capable of reaching for anything below his knees and probably saves the most on weekly washing as his jumper never gets dirty.

But as you rightfully point out, is an ok mark and kicks ok and that's not based on any of his 6 touches last night because you'd think all Saints supporters have already forgotten that shocking set shot shank, even Kingy wouldn't have butchered that shot as much.

After our lowest score against Swans in a half since 1920 Sharman doesn’t deserve a game at AFL
That’s your answer to that Shyte served up last night???
Delusional
It’s not about winning every game now - we are treading water
It’s about how do you bring the next group through - Sharman is part of that it st least you find out
Anyway, let’s hear how you think Tim Membrey is going to revitalise us up forward or maybe we just keep the revolving door going, do the same thing and bring Higgins back next week after seeing Sharman play 1 game in a team demoralising loss??
Just incredibly short sighted and typical St Kilda - it’s why we can’t develop kids ….we tear them down if they aren’t the messiah after a handful of games
Embarrassing really.

You're right, we need to develop the raw talent - the likes of Sharman Allison, Heath. The place to do that is in the VFL, rather than destroy them in the AFL when they are not ready and face intense scrutiny

Windhager Owens seem to be doing ok??
What we don’t do is yo yo kids in/out of the side every week so we destroy their confidence
Oh….and we get a coaching group who have some semblance of an idea /game plan that teaches our youth how we want them to play in a forward half that leverages their strengths
And stop with the stupid bombing ball from 50 that’s been going on now for 3 years???
NO ONE is going to develop with that Shyte style of play - we’d make Buddy look average

[Crossy66]

Sharman is an OK mark and a good kick

But so was Arryn Siposs

He was absolutely towelled up by Blakey last night and has many deficiencies in his game.

Highmore
Too good for VFL

But behind Battle and Wilkie who haven’t missed a beat

outside of running in straight lines to attempt mark of the century, he looks incredibly slow and cumbersome, lacks intensity, has the turning circle of the titanic, doesn't look like he's capable of reaching for anything below his knees and probably saves the most on weekly washing as his jumper never gets dirty.

But as you rightfully point out, is an ok mark and kicks ok and that's not based on any of his 6 touches last night because you'd think all Saints supporters have already forgotten that shocking set shot shank, even Kingy wouldn't have butchered that shot as much.

After our lowest score against Swans in a half since 1920 Sharman doesn’t deserve a game at AFL
That’s your answer to that Shyte served up last night???
Delusional
It’s not about winning every game now - we are treading water
It’s about how do you bring the next group through - Sharman is part of that it st least you find out
Anyway, let’s hear how you think Tim Membrey is going to revitalise us up forward or maybe we just keep the revolving door going, do the same thing and bring Higgins back next week after seeing Sharman play 1 game in a team demoralising loss??
Just incredibly short sighted and typical St Kilda - it’s why we can’t develop kids ….we tear them down if they aren’t the messiah after a handful of games
Embarrassing really.

You're right, we need to develop the raw talent - the likes of Sharman Allison, Heath. The place to do that is in the VFL, rather than destroy them in the AFL when they are not ready and face intense scrutiny

Windhager Owens seem to be doing ok??
What we don’t do is yo yo kids in/out of the side every week so we destroy their confidence
Oh….and we get a coaching group who have some semblance of an idea /game plan that teaches our youth how we want them to play in a forward half that leverages their strengths
And stop with the stupid bombing ball from 50 that’s been going on now for 3 years???
NO ONE is going to develop with that Shyte style of play - we’d make Buddy look average

Windy, Owens not best 22 either. They have been blooded, send them back atleast while the season is theoretically alive. Lose the next 2- play all the kids, book in the surgeries and send Clark to the gym.

[Teflon]

Sharman is an OK mark and a good kick

But so was Arryn Siposs

He was absolutely towelled up by Blakey last night and has many deficiencies in his game.

Highmore
Too good for VFL

But behind Battle and Wilkie who haven’t missed a beat

outside of running in straight lines to attempt mark of the century, he looks incredibly slow and cumbersome, lacks intensity, has the turning circle of the titanic, doesn't look like he's capable of reaching for anything below his knees and probably saves the most on weekly washing as his jumper never gets dirty.

But as you rightfully point out, is an ok mark and kicks ok and that's not based on any of his 6 touches last night because you'd think all Saints supporters have already forgotten that shocking set shot shank, even Kingy wouldn't have butchered that shot as much.

After our lowest score against Swans in a half since 1920 Sharman doesn’t deserve a game at AFL
That’s your answer to that Shyte served up last night???
Delusional
It’s not about winning every game now - we are treading water
It’s about how do you bring the next group through - Sharman is part of that it st least you find out
Anyway, let’s hear how you think Tim Membrey is going to revitalise us up forward or maybe we just keep the revolving door going, do the same thing and bring Higgins back next week after seeing Sharman play 1 game in a team demoralising loss??
Just incredibly short sighted and typical St Kilda - it’s why we can’t develop kids ….we tear them down if they aren’t the messiah after a handful of games
Embarrassing really.

You're right, we need to develop the raw talent - the likes of Sharman Allison, Heath. The place to do that is in the VFL, rather than destroy them in the AFL when they are not ready and face intense scrutiny

Windhager Owens seem to be doing ok??
What we don’t do is yo yo kids in/out of the side every week so we destroy their confidence
Oh….and we get a coaching group who have some semblance of an idea /game plan that teaches our youth how we want them to play in a forward half that leverages their strengths
And stop with the stupid bombing ball from 50 that’s been going on now for 3 years???
NO ONE is going to develop with that Shyte style of play - we’d make Buddy look average

Windy, Owens not best 22 either. They have been blooded, send them back atleast while the season is theoretically alive. Lose the next 2- play all the kids, book in the surgeries and send Clark to the gym.

I think Owens would provide more forward pressure and goals than Butler
If you’re idea of a winning side relies on Butler Jones etc you might be disappointed

[Crossy66]

Sharman is an OK mark and a good kick

But so was Arryn Siposs

He was absolutely towelled up by Blakey last night and has many deficiencies in his game.

Highmore
Too good for VFL

But behind Battle and Wilkie who haven’t missed a beat

outside of running in straight lines to attempt mark of the century, he looks incredibly slow and cumbersome, lacks intensity, has the turning circle of the titanic, doesn't look like he's capable of reaching for anything below his knees and probably saves the most on weekly washing as his jumper never gets dirty.

But as you rightfully point out, is an ok mark and kicks ok and that's not based on any of his 6 touches last night because you'd think all Saints supporters have already forgotten that shocking set shot shank, even Kingy wouldn't have butchered that shot as much.

After our lowest score against Swans in a half since 1920 Sharman doesn’t deserve a game at AFL
That’s your answer to that Shyte served up last night???
Delusional
It’s not about winning every game now - we are treading water
It’s about how do you bring the next group through - Sharman is part of that it st least you find out
Anyway, let’s hear how you think Tim Membrey is going to revitalise us up forward or maybe we just keep the revolving door going, do the same thing and bring Higgins back next week after seeing Sharman play 1 game in a team demoralising loss??
Just incredibly short sighted and typical St Kilda - it’s why we can’t develop kids ….we tear them down if they aren’t the messiah after a handful of games
Embarrassing really.

You're right, we need to develop the raw talent - the likes of Sharman Allison, Heath. The place to do that is in the VFL, rather than destroy them in the AFL when they are not ready and face intense scrutiny

Windhager Owens seem to be doing ok??
What we don’t do is yo yo kids in/out of the side every week so we destroy their confidence
Oh….and we get a coaching group who have some semblance of an idea /game plan that teaches our youth how we want them to play in a forward half that leverages their strengths
And stop with the stupid bombing ball from 50 that’s been going on now for 3 years???
NO ONE is going to develop with that Shyte style of play - we’d make Buddy look average

Windy, Owens not best 22 either. They have been blooded, send them back atleast while the season is theoretically alive. Lose the next 2- play all the kids, book in the surgeries and send Clark to the gym.

I think Owens would provide more forward pressure and goals than Butler
If you’re idea of a winning side relies on Butler Jones etc you might be disappointed

Disappointed does quite cover it!

[B.M]

How did Butler kick the first goal?

I think he is so focused on defensive pressure, he has forgot the most important pressure of all

Scoreboard pressure

[bigcarl]

Windy, Owens not best 22 either. They have been blooded, send them back atleast while the season is theoretically alive. Lose the next 2- play all the kids, book in the surgeries and send Clark to the gym.

Probably about right.

Once we’re our of contention and the weight of expectation is lifted, we’ll look like world beaters again.

[Devilhead]

Windy, Owens not best 22 either. They have been blooded, send them back atleast while the season is theoretically alive. Lose the next 2- play all the kids, book in the surgeries and send Clark to the gym.

Probably about right.

Once we’re our of contention and the weight of expectation is lifted, we’ll look like world beaters again.

Yep and just miss finals by % and we will call it a year of learning

[Bernard Shakey]

How did Butler kick the first goal?

Free kick!

[Yorkeys]

Cooper Sharman is currently a better player than Bulldogs #1 draft pick Ugle-Hagen.

Butler is the closest thing to a slick speedy specialist smallish forward pocket we have (excluding Gresham who has been seconded as a mid). That is what the selectors wish he was. But he is not because he does not score and his opponents damage us going out of defence.

As long as the selectors keep playing Dan Butler to the exclusion of other options debate will rage. However if Dan doesn't start averaging a goal a game and stop turning the ball over/squandering chances the argument about picking him as a blind matter of structural faith is diminished.

Small forwards would be on Mr Gallagher's shopping list.

All concerned also know Sandy form needs to be rewarded eventually, or what's the point.

[Otiman]

Sharman needs to learn amd not try to take marknof the round every time . But the reason he did was the poor delivery. Can anyone remember a short sharp pass into fifty as opposed to a long bomb?

Agree, needs to chat with Matty Parker.