Does your typical saints supporter suffer from PTSD

[saynta]

"PTSD is a series of responses which occur after experiencing a traumatic event.

Symptoms, which include intrusive memories, avoidance behaviours around reminders of the event, negative thoughts and moods, as well distress signs including heightened anxiety and inability to sleep, must be present for more than a month to lead to a diagnosis, Dr Ray said."

[shanegrambeau]

Yes, and the typical poster suffers from CPTSD.
I am reading the book.

Complex post traumatic Stress Disorder….

[asiu]

no

the line in the sand
for those who's experience is changed by trauma

is hyper vigilance

the sainters being the sainters
is a walk in the park
for those truely rattled by trauma

[santazzi]

Yes!!...PTSD is diagnosed if symptoms are present for more than one month. What is the diagnosis, I wonder, for a symptom that has been raging for over forty years?

[asiu]

regardless of your sad arsed politics Stinger
the answer is still ... NO

go back to believing in curses
... thats about your level

[shanegrambeau]

no

the line in the sand
for those who's experience is changed by trauma

is hyper vigilance

the sainters being the sainters
is a walk in the park
for those truely rattled by trauma

Fair play…

And not to trivialize …but I do…self depreciate .sarcasm…tell tale…

But as a kid and young teen, more than once asked myself….yes, typical, bloody typical of me to me a Saints fan!,


I could laugh about being a Saints fan only in my early 20s..and it was cool to be bad..
I’ll move on…but fair point.

[shanegrambeau]

no

the line in the sand
for those who's experience is changed by trauma

is hyper vigilance

the sainters being the sainters
is a walk in the park
for those truely rattled by trauma

Fair play…

And not to trivialize …but I do…self depreciate .sarcasm…tell tale…

But as a kid and young teen, more than once asked myself….yes, typical, bloody typical of me to me a Saints fan!,


I could laugh about being a Saints fan only in my early 20s..and it was cool to be bad..
I’ll move on…but fair point.

[Saintmike65]

"PTSD is a series of responses which occur after experiencing a traumatic event.

Symptoms, which include intrusive memories, avoidance behaviours around reminders of the event, negative thoughts and moods, as well distress signs including heightened anxiety and inability to sleep, must be present for more than a month to lead to a diagnosis, Dr Ray said."

One big problem with St. Kilda supporters is we are too accepting of mediocrity, plus we make too many excuses for our club and players...enough is enough I say!!

[Impatient Sainter]

Absolutely...I wont be attending or watching any more games (live) this year. Plus after Friday nights debacle, I am questioning whether to continue with our rolling memberships. If Ratten has his contract extended mid season I definitely wont be renewing our memberships next year - it says our hasnt learnt a thing from past experiences. I can understand they want stability and may think Ratten is the right man for the job but to renew his contract mid season after Fridays mess is accepting mediocrity IMO.

[asiu]

But as a kid and young teen, more than once asked myself….yes, typical, bloody typical of me to me a Saints fan!,

yea ... me as well !!

but i'd add young adult / adult / old c***
into that list !!

***

there comes a moment
in EVERY healing journey

where one goes ... f*** THIS CRAP

ENOUGH !!

i am not my (insert self or another's diagnosis here)
i am not as another says i am
i am not even who i say i am

what i was
was a journey through trauma

what i am
is my choice ... STARTING NOW




***
any one who says any **** different
has not walked the walk

and best YOU or any other entity walk at pace away from em

and become the SELF HEALED ENTITY that is your Nature
... that in REALITY ... you always were/are


the rest is bombastic-ism

(shallower than my ex mother in law
... and THATS saying something !!
with no worth
... just like the 'concept' of ego)

the Entity who CHOOSES to heal
(not pigeonholing themselves as an identity given via a **** diagnosis
that suits the emerging new control by health methodologies)

has a chance


listen to the black magicians 'n sycophants
of the Medical Establishment with their magic pills 'n
magic vaccines for their magic diagnosis and magic spectrums

and guess what

you'll end up in magic land alright !!

[skeptic]

Traumatic events...

Sexual assault
Physical violence
Sudden death of a family member in an extreme way
Max King missing set shot from 30m out directly in front
Surviving a house fire or flood where you almost died
Emotional abuse from a partner, threats, harassment


Yeah all of those things go together

[shanegrambeau]

Traumatic events...

Sexual assault
Physical violence
Sudden death of a family member in an extreme way
Max King missing set shot from 30m out directly in front
Surviving a house fire or flood where you almost died
Emotional abuse from a partner, threats, harassment


Yeah all of those things go together

OK Skeptic

But it doesn’t have to be event related

It can just come from being derided, marginalized, bullied at school, blamed by our parents for being an arsehole that is spoiling it …

That can give you a pretty grim sense of yourself …and more frighteningly, it can stop you from growing and maturing and reaching your potential.

You get frozen in a childish mindset where you had a sense of some safety..the world passes you by.

I am not at all trivializing those tragic events on your list, especially Max King missing, but o am just saying, you can slowly poison the soil so that the garden never grows.

[asiu]

when u pop out the other side Shane

WHICH YOU WILL

you will carry much wisdom
you will be encompassing 'n nurturing

(also , still hyper vigilant 'n untrusting)

the work then becomes

Trusting again ... from a position of Courage
not naivety


i give thanx for your healing , in my name

[skeptic]

Traumatic events...

Sexual assault
Physical violence
Sudden death of a family member in an extreme way
Max King missing set shot from 30m out directly in front
Surviving a house fire or flood where you almost died
Emotional abuse from a partner, threats, harassment


Yeah all of those things go together

OK Skeptic

But it doesn’t have to be event related

It can just come from being derided, marginalized, bullied at school, blamed by our parents for being an arsehole that is spoiling it …

That can give you a pretty grim sense of yourself …and more frighteningly, it can stop you from growing and maturing and reaching your potential.

You get frozen in a childish mindset where you had a sense of some safety..the world passes you by.

I am not at all trivializing those tragic events on your list, especially Max King missing, but o am just saying, you can slowly poison the soil so that the garden never grows.

I’m just being a bit facetious

Obviously no sane, rationale person would actually compare post traumatic stress disorder which is slightly more diagnostically complex than the quote in the op suggests… is in the same vein as losing a game of football or spectacularly bombing out as we tend to do.

It’s ok to have our bell rung and be flat or sad after a big loss. Of course it is. Heck I still can’t bring myself to watch a lost grand final

The linkage however made me chuckle. The scale is like having a minor cold to passing away from Covid on a ventilator

[saynta]

It was tongue in cheek FFS. Anyone with even half a brain should have been able work that out.

[skeptic]

Trauma is traditionally a humorous talking point

[Saintmike65]

Absolutely...I wont be attending or watching any more games (live) this year. Plus after Friday nights debacle, I am questioning whether to continue with our rolling memberships. If Ratten has his contract extended mid season I definitely wont be renewing our memberships next year - it says our hasnt learnt a thing from past experiences. I can understand they want stability and may think Ratten is the right man for the job but to renew his contract mid season after Fridays mess is accepting mediocrity IMO.

I feel your pain mate…sad part is they give you hope and optimism then s*** in your face!
Been happening for nearly 150 years, of which about 80% has been steeped in mediocrity.

[asiu]

i didn't wanna do it


i tried not to do it


but

but

sad part is they give you hope and optimism then s*** in your face!

the opening was tooooooooo perfect



at the very least
its an elephant worth having in the room
... for autistic value

[Rubyjo]

Ffs people can be traumatised in many ways and at different levels and degrees ..and just because some of you have been traumatised by life doesn't mean you own it or have a right to poo poo someone who says they are traumatised by the saints ...stop being woke jokes . I know people who are traumatised because progressive leftists laugh and joke about killing unborn babies .

[Sainternist]

Yes. I still have ‘Nam-style flashbacks over the 1997, 2009 and 2010 GFs!

[Sainternist]

Ffs people can be traumatised in many ways and at different levels and degrees ..and just because some of you have been traumatised by life doesn't mean you own it or have a right to poo poo someone who says they are traumatised by the saints ...stop being woke jokes . I know people who are traumatised because progressive leftists laugh and joke about killing unborn babies .

Sounds like you need therapy!

[sunsaint]

hmmm PTSD implies the traumatic event is over


its never over barracking for the saints

[saynta]

Yes. I still have ‘Nam-style flashbacks over the 1997, 2009 and 2010 GFs!

1965 AND 1971 still haunt me as well.

[Sainternist]

Yes. I still have ‘Nam-style flashbacks over the 1997, 2009 and 2010 GFs!

1965 AND 1971 still haunt meas well.

Yeah, even though I wasn’t even born in ‘71, I have found watching a replay of that particular GF to be fairly traumatic.

[Yorkeys]

Had a think about the principle that might be behind this thread.
I don't get fussed so much about losing per se, bit blue but it has been our lot so often there is plenty of scar tissue.
Its the eye watering avoidable foolishness at times - and some terrible twists of fate.
On a micro level a few exasperations from Friday night:
- early, Gresh has the ball, several options in front, decides he doesn't like any, circles himself in virtually same spot, of course gets shut down at speed kicks a hopelessly optimistic length wise ball across goal: Essendon thank him for the goal. Why Gresh, so not percentage footy.
- Butler has ball in the clear, several options ahead, runs too close to oncoming Don player has to dink over to try to get a teammate, who had to slow because he had given a dishonoured lead and a Dan neatly pops it to a Don defender scrambling to make ground & desperately looking for form . Should have been a goal.
- Butler has ball about 30 out, time to either shoot or handball over the top to clear player, does neither gets closed down, stumbles, loses the pill. Another goal given up.
- Sinclair unnecessarily across goal trying to just miss 2m Peter - guess what - another Don's goal.
- Clark running clear from the centre has Max on lead ( or could go for goal) kicks 20 m ahead of Max into a dead pocket.
- NWM has mid distance pass option to open player, no, long hero kick to Essendon defender.
- Jones fumbles regulation hb 30 out from goal straight in front and gives ball to Don's, we are all out of position because Jones fumble seemed unlikely.
Giansiracusa breaking Kosi's skull in a mongrel act.
Crowd running on when G-Train got #100.
Clark being ruined by MacKay.
Spiders collarbone against Bears.
GT and Butterrs ginormous egos.
Alan Richardson's wet towel attempt at coaching that seemed like it might never end
Someone hired Elshaugh as recruiting manager.
Alves freezing in last quarter 1997.
Lyon being outcoached in GF by being bloody minded and not developing young stars.
it goes on of course - but that macro and micro stuff that should be so easily avoidable just makes me so cross and disappointed. And we seem to cop more than our share.