Head high tackles

[Scollop]

How many Saints supporters complained when Jack Lonie was paid frees for virtually the same thing?

[Fidelis]

Just because you’re going low to win the ball doesn’t give the opposition free reign to whack you high.

Tackling technique was poor and didn’t adapt throughout the game.

If you take possession then dive into the on coming tackler it’s not supposed to be a free. Not my rule the AFLs.

Nothing to do with technique

Show me.

https://resources.afl.com.au/afl/docume ... ooklet.pdf

Prior Opportunity: a designation to a Player in Possession of the Football who:
(a) is balanced and steady; or
(b) attempts to evade or fend an opponent; or
(c) has taken a Mark or been awarded a Free Kick; or
(d) has driven their head into a stationary or near stationary opponent.

That’s defining what ‘prior opportunity’ is, not what a legal or illegal tackle is.

Legal Tackle or Legally Tackled: a tackle by a Player where:
(a) the Player being tackled is in possession of the football; and
(b) that Player is tackled below the shoulders and above the knees.
For the avoidance of doubt, a Legal Tackle may be executed by holding (either by the body or playing uniform) a Player from the front, side or behind, provided that a Player held from behind is not pushed in the back.

Don't forget the 'Joel Selwood' rule tightening from early 2017:
"Under the new tightened interpretation, if a tackle is reasonable and the ball carrier is responsible for the high contact via a "shrug, drop, arm lift or duck, play on should be called".

The AFL interpretation also reads: "if the tackle is not reasonable, a free kick should be paid against the tackler, regardless of the actions of the other player." "

[CQ SAINT]

How many Saints supporters complained when Jack Lonie was paid frees for virtually the same thing?

Me. I was ridiculed for calling him a flopper.

[The_Dud]

Just because you’re going low to win the ball doesn’t give the opposition free reign to whack you high.

Tackling technique was poor and didn’t adapt throughout the game.

If you take possession then dive into the on coming tackler it’s not supposed to be a free. Not my rule the AFLs.

Nothing to do with technique

Show me.

https://resources.afl.com.au/afl/docume ... ooklet.pdf

Prior Opportunity: a designation to a Player in Possession of the Football who:
(a) is balanced and steady; or
(b) attempts to evade or fend an opponent; or
(c) has taken a Mark or been awarded a Free Kick; or
(d) has driven their head into a stationary or near stationary opponent.

It should be considered charging and prior opportunity. Holding the ball rule should then apply.

For a ‘holding the ball’ free kick to be awarded there needs to be a legal tackle made.

18.6.2 Free Kicks - Holding the Ball: Prior Opportunity
Where a Player in Possession of the Football has had Prior Opportunity, a field Umpire shall
award a Free Kick if that Player does not Correctly Dispose of the football immediately when they are Legally Tackled.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl ... heh3g.html

Read that Dud. Its all about interpretation. Blind Freddy and even you could see what was going on. The interpretation is clearly inconsistent, despite the guidelines. Its just easier to pay the high contact but its clearly not correct and omI can't remember one careless tackle being laid, let alone a reckless one. The ducking and diving is the reckless bit and should be penalised as such. What if there was a concussion and the free was paid and he dove. Do we pay weeks in suspension or rely on interpretation?

Sorry CQ, but a newspaper article from 7 years ago? I’ve supplied the 2022 rule book, show me in there.

One note from that article though, “Evans said the tackling player will still be required not to be reckless or indiscriminate with his approach to the player with the ball.”

[Scollop]

How many Saints supporters complained when Jack Lonie was paid frees for virtually the same thing?

Me. I was ridiculed for calling him a flopper.

That makes 2 of us…out of about 50,000 fans …give or take a few thousand

So that’s roughly 0.00004 or 0.0044%

[CURLY]

Just because you’re going low to win the ball doesn’t give the opposition free reign to whack you high.

Tackling technique was poor and didn’t adapt throughout the game.

If you take possession then dive into the on coming tackler it’s not supposed to be a free. Not my rule the AFLs.

Nothing to do with technique

Show me.

https://resources.afl.com.au/afl/docume ... ooklet.pdf

Show you what.
It’s been mentioned countless times that if you duck or lead with your head it’s play on.

By who, commentators and fans?

That’s the rule book, show me.

Ok sorry your right when you get the ball you can rhino charge head first into your opponent.

Free kick

As opposed to being given carte blanche to smash in the head/neck any player not standing upright?

As I’ve said many times, you don’t actually know the rules, and you show it week after week with you rantings.

For years an umpire has called ducked your head play on. It’s always been that way. So have umpires decided their own rules?

[The_Dud]

Just because you’re going low to win the ball doesn’t give the opposition free reign to whack you high.

Tackling technique was poor and didn’t adapt throughout the game.

If you take possession then dive into the on coming tackler it’s not supposed to be a free. Not my rule the AFLs.

Nothing to do with technique

Show me.

https://resources.afl.com.au/afl/docume ... ooklet.pdf

Show you what.
It’s been mentioned countless times that if you duck or lead with your head it’s play on.

By who, commentators and fans?

That’s the rule book, show me.

Ok sorry your right when you get the ball you can rhino charge head first into your opponent.

Free kick

As opposed to being given carte blanche to smash in the head/neck any player not standing upright?

As I’ve said many times, you don’t actually know the rules, and you show it week after week with you rantings.

For years an umpire has called ducked your head play on. It’s always been that way. So have umpires decided their own rules?

‘Ducking your head’ and staying low when taking possession of the ball are 2 different things.

But again, I’ve supplied the rule book, show me.

Or even better, give it a read and actually learn the rules of AFL, it will probably help your mood on game day.

[CURLY]

So your saying you can pick the ball up and charge head first into a player and it’s free?


Think about this

[The_Dud]

So your saying you can pick the ball up and charge head first into a player and it’s free?


Think about this

If the player smashes you round the neck/head, yes.

Because that’s what the rules say.

Think about this.

[CQ SAINT]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-15/ ... /100908150

Try that one Dud from 2022 and you show me where the changes are in the rule book.

Its called 'interpretation'. Diving into the legs of an opponent is an illegal act. That's called
Prohibited Contact.
PROHIBITED CONTACT
18.3.1 Spirit and Intention
A Player who makes the football their sole objective shall be provided every opportunity
to do so.
18.3.2 Free Kicks - Prohibited Contact
A field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against a Player when that Player makes any of the
following Prohibited Contact with an opposition Player:
(a) executes a tackle that is not legal (refer to the definition of Legal Tackle);
(b) pushes or bumps an opposition Player in the back;
(c) makes high contact to an opposition Player (including the top of the shoulders)
with any part of their body;
(d) holds an opposition Player who is not in possession of the football;
(e) executes an illegal Shepherd;
(f) Charges an opposition Player;
(g) trips or attempts to trip an opposition Player, whether by hand,
arm, foot or leg;

Its also covered in rough contact

ROUGH CONDUCT
18.7.1 Spirit and Intention
Players shall be protected from unreasonable conduct from an opposition
Player which is likely to cause injury.
18.7.2 Free Kicks - Rough Conduct
A field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against a Player when that Player engages in
rough conduct against an opposition Player which in the circumstances is unreasonable,
which includes but is not limited to:
(a) executing a dangerous tackle on an opposition Player;
(b) making forceful contact below the knees of an opposition Player or executing
a forceful action towards the lower leg of an opposition Player causing the
opposition Player to take evasive action;
(c) sliding knees or feet first into an opposition Player;
(d) using boot studs in a manner likely to cause injury.

In this case, tackling was the evasive action.

Its all down to interpretation and the umpires are just ignoring the preseason brief on the current desired interpretations of the rules.

The interpretations the clubs, media and fans were briefed on in the pre-season.

[ace]

Just because you’re going low to win the ball doesn’t give the opposition free reign to whack you high.

Tackling technique was poor and didn’t adapt throughout the game.

If you take possession then dive into the on coming tackler it’s not supposed to be a free. Not my rule the AFLs.

Nothing to do with technique

Show me.

https://resources.afl.com.au/afl/docume ... ooklet.pdf

Prior Opportunity: a designation to a Player in Possession of the Football who:
(a) is balanced and steady; or
(b) attempts to evade or fend an opponent; or
(c) has taken a Mark or been awarded a Free Kick; or
(d) has driven their head into a stationary or near stationary opponent.

You have to realise that pig heads are not able to read.

[CQ SAINT]

Just because you’re going low to win the ball doesn’t give the opposition free reign to whack you high.

Tackling technique was poor and didn’t adapt throughout the game.

If you take possession then dive into the on coming tackler it’s not supposed to be a free. Not my rule the AFLs.

Nothing to do with technique

Show me.

https://resources.afl.com.au/afl/docume ... ooklet.pdf

Prior Opportunity: a designation to a Player in Possession of the Football who:
(a) is balanced and steady; or
(b) attempts to evade or fend an opponent; or
(c) has taken a Mark or been awarded a Free Kick; or
(d) has driven their head into a stationary or near stationary opponent.

You have to realise that pig heads are not able to read.

Hahahahaha.

[Sainter_Dad]

Just because you’re going low to win the ball doesn’t give the opposition free reign to whack you high.

Tackling technique was poor and didn’t adapt throughout the game.

If you take possession then dive into the on coming tackler it’s not supposed to be a free. Not my rule the AFLs.

Nothing to do with technique

Show me.

https://resources.afl.com.au/afl/docume ... ooklet.pdf

Prior Opportunity: a designation to a Player in Possession of the Football who:
(a) is balanced and steady; or
(b) attempts to evade or fend an opponent; or
(c) has taken a Mark or been awarded a Free Kick; or
(d) has driven their head into a stationary or near stationary opponent.

That’s defining what ‘prior opportunity’ is, not what a legal or illegal tackle is.

Legal Tackle or Legally Tackled: a tackle by a Player where:
(a) the Player being tackled is in possession of the football; and
(b) that Player is tackled below the shoulders and above the knees.
For the avoidance of doubt, a Legal Tackle may be executed by holding (either by the body or playing uniform) a Player from the front, side or behind, provided that a Player held from behind is not pushed in the back.

Some of the frees paid last night were not for illegal tackles - but for high contact - a high contact initiated by the Crows ball carrier

[The_Dud]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-15/ ... /100908150

Try that one Dud from 2022 and you show me where the changes are in the rule book.

Its called 'interpretation'. Diving into the legs of an opponent is an illegal act. That's called
Prohibited Contact.
PROHIBITED CONTACT
18.3.1 Spirit and Intention
A Player who makes the football their sole objective shall be provided every opportunity
to do so.
18.3.2 Free Kicks - Prohibited Contact
A field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against a Player when that Player makes any of the
following Prohibited Contact with an opposition Player:
(a) executes a tackle that is not legal (refer to the definition of Legal Tackle);
(b) pushes or bumps an opposition Player in the back;
(c) makes high contact to an opposition Player (including the top of the shoulders)
with any part of their body;
(d) holds an opposition Player who is not in possession of the football;
(e) executes an illegal Shepherd;
(f) Charges an opposition Player;
(g) trips or attempts to trip an opposition Player, whether by hand,
arm, foot or leg;

Its also covered in rough contact

ROUGH CONDUCT
18.7.1 Spirit and Intention
Players shall be protected from unreasonable conduct from an opposition
Player which is likely to cause injury.
18.7.2 Free Kicks - Rough Conduct
A field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against a Player when that Player engages in
rough conduct against an opposition Player which in the circumstances is unreasonable,
which includes but is not limited to:
(a) executing a dangerous tackle on an opposition Player;
(b) making forceful contact below the knees of an opposition Player or executing
a forceful action towards the lower leg of an opposition Player causing the
opposition Player to take evasive action;
(c) sliding knees or feet first into an opposition Player;
(d) using boot studs in a manner likely to cause injury.

In this case, tackling was the evasive action.

Its all down to interpretation and the umpires are just ignoring the preseason brief on the current desired interpretations of the rules.

The interpretations the clubs, media and fans were briefed on in the pre-season.

I don’t know what you’re trying to say here. What does the ‘below the knees’ rule have to do with high tackles?

And again that article is referring to ‘prior opportunity’ you still need to tackle legally.

[CQ SAINT]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-15/ ... /100908150

Try that one Dud from 2022 and you show me where the changes are in the rule book.

Its called 'interpretation'. Diving into the legs of an opponent is an illegal act. That's called
Prohibited Contact.
PROHIBITED CONTACT
18.3.1 Spirit and Intention
A Player who makes the football their sole objective shall be provided every opportunity
to do so.
18.3.2 Free Kicks - Prohibited Contact
A field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against a Player when that Player makes any of the
following Prohibited Contact with an opposition Player:
(a) executes a tackle that is not legal (refer to the definition of Legal Tackle);
(b) pushes or bumps an opposition Player in the back;
(c) makes high contact to an opposition Player (including the top of the shoulders)
with any part of their body;
(d) holds an opposition Player who is not in possession of the football;
(e) executes an illegal Shepherd;
(f) Charges an opposition Player;
(g) trips or attempts to trip an opposition Player, whether by hand,
arm, foot or leg;

Its also covered in rough contact

ROUGH CONDUCT
18.7.1 Spirit and Intention
Players shall be protected from unreasonable conduct from an opposition
Player which is likely to cause injury.
18.7.2 Free Kicks - Rough Conduct
A field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against a Player when that Player engages in
rough conduct against an opposition Player which in the circumstances is unreasonable,
which includes but is not limited to:
(a) executing a dangerous tackle on an opposition Player;
(b) making forceful contact below the knees of an opposition Player or executing
a forceful action towards the lower leg of an opposition Player causing the
opposition Player to take evasive action;
(c) sliding knees or feet first into an opposition Player;
(d) using boot studs in a manner likely to cause injury.

In this case, tackling was the evasive action.

Its all down to interpretation and the umpires are just ignoring the preseason brief on the current desired interpretations of the rules.

The interpretations the clubs, media and fans were briefed on in the pre-season.

I don’t know what you’re trying to say here. What does the ‘below the knees’ rule have to do with high tackles?

And again that article is referring to ‘prior opportunity’ you still need to tackle legally.

You must have missed this bit

According to the AFL, umpires will be less lenient towards players who have had prior opportunity and do not immediately and correctly dispose of the football when tackled.

Free kicks will be awarded against players who duck their heads prior to being tackled and do not dispose of the ball correctly.

Some of the red flags for umpires will include players evading, fending, ducking, having a prior option and not taking it, being balanced and steady, or driving their head.

[The_Dud]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-15/ ... /100908150

Try that one Dud from 2022 and you show me where the changes are in the rule book.

Its called 'interpretation'. Diving into the legs of an opponent is an illegal act. That's called
Prohibited Contact.
PROHIBITED CONTACT
18.3.1 Spirit and Intention
A Player who makes the football their sole objective shall be provided every opportunity
to do so.
18.3.2 Free Kicks - Prohibited Contact
A field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against a Player when that Player makes any of the
following Prohibited Contact with an opposition Player:
(a) executes a tackle that is not legal (refer to the definition of Legal Tackle);
(b) pushes or bumps an opposition Player in the back;
(c) makes high contact to an opposition Player (including the top of the shoulders)
with any part of their body;
(d) holds an opposition Player who is not in possession of the football;
(e) executes an illegal Shepherd;
(f) Charges an opposition Player;
(g) trips or attempts to trip an opposition Player, whether by hand,
arm, foot or leg;

Its also covered in rough contact

ROUGH CONDUCT
18.7.1 Spirit and Intention
Players shall be protected from unreasonable conduct from an opposition
Player which is likely to cause injury.
18.7.2 Free Kicks - Rough Conduct
A field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against a Player when that Player engages in
rough conduct against an opposition Player which in the circumstances is unreasonable,
which includes but is not limited to:
(a) executing a dangerous tackle on an opposition Player;
(b) making forceful contact below the knees of an opposition Player or executing
a forceful action towards the lower leg of an opposition Player causing the
opposition Player to take evasive action;
(c) sliding knees or feet first into an opposition Player;
(d) using boot studs in a manner likely to cause injury.

In this case, tackling was the evasive action.

Its all down to interpretation and the umpires are just ignoring the preseason brief on the current desired interpretations of the rules.

The interpretations the clubs, media and fans were briefed on in the pre-season.

I don’t know what you’re trying to say here. What does the ‘below the knees’ rule have to do with high tackles?

And again that article is referring to ‘prior opportunity’ you still need to tackle legally.

You must have missed this bit

According to the AFL, umpires will be less lenient towards players who have had prior opportunity and do not immediately and correctly dispose of the football when tackled.

Free kicks will be awarded against players who duck their heads prior to being tackled and do not dispose of the ball correctly.

Some of the red flags for umpires will include players evading, fending, ducking, having a prior option and not taking it, being balanced and steady, or driving their head.

Yeah I got that bit, that’s discussing prior opportunity, a legal tackle still needs to be made.

[Freebird]

Another player will end up paraplegic (wheel chair) soon if umps keep on rewarding frees for ducking into oncoming/stagnant opposition players.

[CQ SAINT]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-15/ ... /100908150

Try that one Dud from 2022 and you show me where the changes are in the rule book.

Its called 'interpretation'. Diving into the legs of an opponent is an illegal act. That's called
Prohibited Contact.
PROHIBITED CONTACT
18.3.1 Spirit and Intention
A Player who makes the football their sole objective shall be provided every opportunity
to do so.
18.3.2 Free Kicks - Prohibited Contact
A field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against a Player when that Player makes any of the
following Prohibited Contact with an opposition Player:
(a) executes a tackle that is not legal (refer to the definition of Legal Tackle);
(b) pushes or bumps an opposition Player in the back;
(c) makes high contact to an opposition Player (including the top of the shoulders)
with any part of their body;
(d) holds an opposition Player who is not in possession of the football;
(e) executes an illegal Shepherd;
(f) Charges an opposition Player;
(g) trips or attempts to trip an opposition Player, whether by hand,
arm, foot or leg;

Its also covered in rough contact

ROUGH CONDUCT
18.7.1 Spirit and Intention
Players shall be protected from unreasonable conduct from an opposition
Player which is likely to cause injury.
18.7.2 Free Kicks - Rough Conduct
A field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against a Player when that Player engages in
rough conduct against an opposition Player which in the circumstances is unreasonable,
which includes but is not limited to:
(a) executing a dangerous tackle on an opposition Player;
(b) making forceful contact below the knees of an opposition Player or executing
a forceful action towards the lower leg of an opposition Player causing the
opposition Player to take evasive action;
(c) sliding knees or feet first into an opposition Player;
(d) using boot studs in a manner likely to cause injury.

In this case, tackling was the evasive action.

Its all down to interpretation and the umpires are just ignoring the preseason brief on the current desired interpretations of the rules.

The interpretations the clubs, media and fans were briefed on in the pre-season.

I don’t know what you’re trying to say here. What does the ‘below the knees’ rule have to do with high tackles?

And again that article is referring to ‘prior opportunity’ you still need to tackle legally.

You must have missed this bit

According to the AFL, umpires will be less lenient towards players who have had prior opportunity and do not immediately and correctly dispose of the football when tackled.

Free kicks will be awarded against players who duck their heads prior to being tackled and do not dispose of the ball correctly.

Some of the red flags for umpires will include players evading, fending, ducking, having a prior option and not taking it, being balanced and steady, or driving their head.

Yeah I got that bit, that’s discussing prior opportunity, a legal tackle still needs to be made.

No.it doesn't read it again. It clearly says prior to being tackled. They didn't drive with their heads after being tackled. It's called prohibited contact. That is in your document.

[The_Dud]

Wait, are you thinking that if you run into someone’s chest with your head, it’s automatically a free kick to your opponent??

[CQ SAINT]

No. If someone dives at you, you have a right to avoid prohibited contact. Using you hands to avoid that contact is a secondary outcome. Driving low with your head is illegal.
Go have a look at the 4 or 5 they missed.

[CQ SAINT]

It isn't rocket science. The ducking of the head, is considered prior opportunity, but also causes the high tackle. Play on.

[CQ SAINT]

Last night, the umpires were just protecting heads. The tackler was rarely careless or reckless.

[The_Dud]

No. If someone dives at you, you have a right to avoid prohibited contact. Using you hands to avoid that contact is a secondary outcome. Driving low with your head is illegal.
Go have a look at the 4 or 5 they missed.

So you’re saying, our blokes kept whacking/grabbing Adelaide players high as a method of trying to evade them repeatedly diving for their legs…?

The rules are pretty clear, your imagination is getting away on you.

18.6.2 Free Kicks - Holding the Ball: Prior Opportunity
Where a Player in Possession of the Football has had Prior Opportunity (see below), a field Umpire shall
award a Free Kick if that Player does not Correctly Dispose of the football immediately when they are Legally Tackled (see below).

Prior Opportunity: a designation to a Player in Possession of the Football who:
(a) is balanced and steady; or
(b) attempts to evade or fend an opponent; or
(c) has taken a Mark or been awarded a Free Kick; or
(d) has driven their head into a stationary or near stationary opponent.

Legal Tackle or Legally Tackled: a tackle by a Player where:
(a) the Player being tackled is in possession of the football; and
(b) that Player is tackled below the shoulders and above the knees.
For the avoidance of doubt, a Legal Tackle may be executed by holding (either by the body or playing uniform) a Player from the front, side or behind, provided that a Player held from behind is not pushed in the back.

You’re getting held up on the first part of ‘holding the ball’ but forgetting the second. Prior opportunity is irrelevant if there’s no legal tackle. And as you can see in the definition of ‘legal tackle’, there’s nothing about being allowed to whack/grab someone high for any reason. Actually the part I’ve highlighted is pretty clear.

[CQ SAINT]

No. If someone dives at you, you have a right to avoid prohibited contact. Using you hands to avoid that contact is a secondary outcome. Driving low with your head is illegal.
Go have a look at the 4 or 5 they missed.

So you’re saying, our blokes kept whacking/grabbing Adelaide players high as a method of trying to evade them repeatedly diving for their legs…?

The rules are pretty clear, your imagination is getting away on you.

18.6.2 Free Kicks - Holding the Ball: Prior Opportunity
Where a Player in Possession of the Football has had Prior Opportunity (see below), a field Umpire shall
award a Free Kick if that Player does not Correctly Dispose of the football immediately when they are Legally Tackled (see below).

Prior Opportunity: a designation to a Player in Possession of the Football who:
(a) is balanced and steady; or
(b) attempts to evade or fend an opponent; or
(c) has taken a Mark or been awarded a Free Kick; or
(d) has driven their head into a stationary or near stationary opponent.

Legal Tackle or Legally Tackled: a tackle by a Player where:
(a) the Player being tackled is in possession of the football; and
(b) that Player is tackled below the shoulders and above the knees.
For the avoidance of doubt, a Legal Tackle may be executed by holding (either by the body or playing uniform) a Player from the front, side or behind, provided that a Player held from behind is not pushed in the back.

You’re getting held up on the first part of ‘holding the ball’ but forgetting the second. Prior opportunity is irrelevant if there’s no legal tackle. And as you can see in the definition of ‘legal tackle’, there’s nothing about being allowed to whack/grab someone high for any reason. Actually the part I’ve highlighted is pretty clear.

No. What I'm saying is clear. If you duck into a tackle, it's play on.

[CQ SAINT]

Driving low (below the knees) with your head or any other body part is illegal and the penalty is 'rough conduct' charging or 'prohibited contact', resulting in a free kick. You can avoid getting toppled over, which is dangerous. Just read the article again, because prior opportunity was mentioned, doesn't mean when you duck or dive and get caught high its an automatic free kick. We have seen this not awarded many times.
Its how the umpire interprets the action and the rules, last night they were just protecting the head, despite the players offering up their heads for tackling.

If you duck into a tackle, good umpires or fair umpires, will say you ducked into it, play on or if the tackle sticks, they ball it up.

The umpires last night were blind or just plain ignorant.

Our players were just tackling, not whacking anyone. You made that up for emphasis.