No more Ben King ….
Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators
-
- SS Life Member
- Posts: 2594
- Joined: Fri 20 Jan 2012 4:57pm
- Has thanked: 2043 times
- Been thanked: 1167 times
- The_Dud
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 14061
- Joined: Sun 27 May 2007 9:53pm
- Location: Bendigo
- Has thanked: 1315 times
- Been thanked: 2093 times
Re: No more Ben King ….
Good. Would have been a bad move for us.
There will be a lot of egg on the faces of the many who basically said him coming to us was a done deal.
There will be a lot of egg on the faces of the many who basically said him coming to us was a done deal.
All posters are equal, but some posters are more equal than others.
- Ghost Like
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6562
- Joined: Wed 19 Sep 2007 10:04pm
- Has thanked: 5786 times
- Been thanked: 1909 times
Re: No more Ben King ….
If we build it he will come. RFA or FA was always going to be the time. I wish him a strong recovery and the best of luck and good health for the remaining years of his apprenticeship up North.
Last edited by Ghost Like on Thu 10 Mar 2022 9:46am, edited 1 time in total.
- Impatient Sainter
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 4089
- Joined: Tue 05 Apr 2016 3:30pm
- Has thanked: 2622 times
- Been thanked: 1078 times
Re: No more Ben King ….
I feel Ben will stay up there for some time now, perhaps until he is a free agent similiar to Lynch.
It would have been nice to get him to the Saints but our midfield is a more immediate need. Its time to target a potential A grade midfielder eg Taranto, Bailey Smith, Dunkley, Rowell, Anderson or similiar.
It would have been nice to get him to the Saints but our midfield is a more immediate need. Its time to target a potential A grade midfielder eg Taranto, Bailey Smith, Dunkley, Rowell, Anderson or similiar.
Last edited by Impatient Sainter on Thu 10 Mar 2022 11:19am, edited 1 time in total.
- IluvHarvey
- SS Life Member
- Posts: 2622
- Joined: Fri 06 Jun 2008 4:51pm
- Location: Melbourne
- Has thanked: 34 times
- Been thanked: 257 times
Re: No more Ben King ….
Thank God!
We now all can move on and stop dealing with "what ifs" and people who claim they are in the know.
Would have been great to get him but we didn't. Let's concentrate on the group we have this year.
We now all can move on and stop dealing with "what ifs" and people who claim they are in the know.
Would have been great to get him but we didn't. Let's concentrate on the group we have this year.
"It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress."
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 23164
- Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 3:53pm
- Has thanked: 9113 times
- Been thanked: 3951 times
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6092
- Joined: Sat 12 Sep 2015 1:03pm
- Has thanked: 337 times
- Been thanked: 1570 times
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1558
- Joined: Tue 06 Apr 2004 2:05pm
- Location: NE Victoria
- Has thanked: 19 times
- Been thanked: 283 times
Re: No more Ben King ….
Good result for us.
Two year contract at GC. Recovers from his injury this year and finds some form and fitness next year. He just won’t sign with them for an extended period will he?
Two year contract at GC. Recovers from his injury this year and finds some form and fitness next year. He just won’t sign with them for an extended period will he?
summertime and the living is easy ........
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6473
- Joined: Fri 18 Sep 2020 6:51am
- Has thanked: 862 times
- Been thanked: 1025 times
Re: No more Ben King ….
Was never coming to us, a point we'll known but for some reason the fan forums perpetuated the myth.
There's a big chance he will become a premiership player at the GC, dare I say it, a bigger chance than at our club so don't expect he'll be looking to leave anytime soon.
- Sanctorum
- Club Player
- Posts: 1964
- Joined: Sun 31 Aug 2014 10:08pm
- Has thanked: 1551 times
- Been thanked: 1074 times
Re: No more Ben King ….
Good point Gershwin, signing on for just 2 more years suggests that he wants to keep his options open beyond 2024 - if the GC Suns fail to contend for finals he is certain to want to move to a club with better prospects.
"Any candidate for political office, once chosen for leadership, must have the will to take the wheel of a very powerful car, tasked from time to time to make a fast journey down a narrow, precipitous mountain road – and be highly skilled at driving. Otherwise, he is disqualified from the company of competent leaders."
John Carroll, Professor Emeritus of Sociology at La Trobe University.
John Carroll, Professor Emeritus of Sociology at La Trobe University.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 23164
- Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 3:53pm
- Has thanked: 9113 times
- Been thanked: 3951 times
- shanegrambeau
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 5971
- Joined: Thu 25 Jan 2018 2:15pm
- Has thanked: 334 times
- Been thanked: 711 times
Re: No more Ben King ….
It’s sad.
Progress for Gold Coast …always comes at the expense of Melb, WB, St Kilda, North, NT and Tassie.
I feel the relief (and so understandably St Kilda) when we say, ‘Good, that’s settled then.’
I think we are scared of the responsibility of getting him sometimes.
Progress for Gold Coast …always comes at the expense of Melb, WB, St Kilda, North, NT and Tassie.
I feel the relief (and so understandably St Kilda) when we say, ‘Good, that’s settled then.’
I think we are scared of the responsibility of getting him sometimes.
You're quite brilliant Shane, yeah..terrific!
- evertonfc
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 7262
- Joined: Mon 08 Mar 2004 9:11pm
- Location: 'Quietly Confident' County
- Has thanked: 115 times
- Been thanked: 267 times
- Contact:
Re: No more Ben King ….
We still have to chase this guy extremely hard at the end of 2023.
As mentioned by others, he'll be on $1m to sit on the couch this year - that's money we don't have (call it Hannebery money). And he'll be on $1m next year to get himself up to speed.
Frankly, we'll be in a better position to assess at that point, but for now, we have to suck it up, and we have to balance our books so that there's $1.2m per season free in our cap from 2023 onwards to hand to him. It's a lot of money but I'm not sure we have the ability to attract players of a similar calibre from elsewhere given where we are a footy club.
Due to our absolutely diabolical performances last year, and being unlikely to contend this year, we should be able to rectify our list by that point if we're serious about contending again for a flag in the coming years.
As mentioned by others, he'll be on $1m to sit on the couch this year - that's money we don't have (call it Hannebery money). And he'll be on $1m next year to get himself up to speed.
Frankly, we'll be in a better position to assess at that point, but for now, we have to suck it up, and we have to balance our books so that there's $1.2m per season free in our cap from 2023 onwards to hand to him. It's a lot of money but I'm not sure we have the ability to attract players of a similar calibre from elsewhere given where we are a footy club.
Due to our absolutely diabolical performances last year, and being unlikely to contend this year, we should be able to rectify our list by that point if we're serious about contending again for a flag in the coming years.
Clueless and mediocre petty tyrant.
-
- SS Life Member
- Posts: 3385
- Joined: Wed 12 Sep 2007 5:30pm
- Has thanked: 172 times
- Been thanked: 519 times
Re: No more Ben King ….
Not surprised and as have been saying here for 12 months , doesn't fit our needs . If he said he wanted to come yes of course, but we need specific things and he isn't that player.
We need SILK and match winners who are explosive. Players like - Taranto, Petracca (Thanks Elshaugh), etc .
Target specific needs as they come out of contract
We need SILK and match winners who are explosive. Players like - Taranto, Petracca (Thanks Elshaugh), etc .
Target specific needs as they come out of contract
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 11354
- Joined: Thu 11 Mar 2004 12:57am
- Location: South of Heaven
- Has thanked: 1349 times
- Been thanked: 462 times
Re: No more Ben King ….
Well, I’m glad that pipedream is over.
Obviously Ben King wants his career to remain in obscurity lol
Obviously Ben King wants his career to remain in obscurity lol
Curb your enthusiasm - you’re a St.Kilda supporter!!
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6473
- Joined: Fri 18 Sep 2020 6:51am
- Has thanked: 862 times
- Been thanked: 1025 times
Re: No more Ben King ….
We can chase as hard as we like, he's embedded at the Suns. Loves the place. More chance of Max playing for the GC.evertonfc wrote: ↑Thu 10 Mar 2022 12:11pm We still have to chase this guy extremely hard at the end of 2023.
As mentioned by others, he'll be on $1m to sit on the couch this year - that's money we don't have (call it Hannebery money). And he'll be on $1m next year to get himself up to speed.
Frankly, we'll be in a better position to assess at that point, but for now, we have to suck it up, and we have to balance our books so that there's $1.2m per season free in our cap from 2023 onwards to hand to him. It's a lot of money but I'm not sure we have the ability to attract players of a similar calibre from elsewhere given where we are a footy club.
Due to our absolutely diabolical performances last year, and being unlikely to contend this year, we should be able to rectify our list by that point if we're serious about contending again for a flag in the coming years.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6092
- Joined: Sat 12 Sep 2015 1:03pm
- Has thanked: 337 times
- Been thanked: 1570 times
Re: No more Ben King ….
Pffft. Why would he want to leave. If I was him I'd have written in a clause that I stay at home with the family this season, recover at Moorabbin in a more professional football environment and I'd buys a corporate box at Marvel to watch the Saints all year. They'd have probably said yes.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6473
- Joined: Fri 18 Sep 2020 6:51am
- Has thanked: 862 times
- Been thanked: 1025 times
Re: No more Ben King ….
The GC facilities and resources are possibly up there with the best in the league. A request to stay at home with family probably would have bought into question his understanding of how 'team' works.CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Thu 10 Mar 2022 2:48pm Pffft. Why would he want to leave. If I was him I'd have written in a clause that I stay at home with the family this season, recover at Moorabbin in a more professional football environment and I'd buys a corporate box at Marvel to watch the Saints all year. They'd have probably said yes.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6092
- Joined: Sat 12 Sep 2015 1:03pm
- Has thanked: 337 times
- Been thanked: 1570 times
Re: No more Ben King ….
Yes their facilities are magnificent. Its just the environment that sucks. The teenage superstars are running the show, until they mature and wake up to themselves, that is. Gary Ablett Jnr loved the place and almost all of their leaders of any significant note don't even stay.Vortex wrote: ↑Thu 10 Mar 2022 2:55pmThe GC facilities and resources are possibly up there with the best in the league. A request to stay at home with family probably would have bought into question his understanding of how 'team' works.CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Thu 10 Mar 2022 2:48pm Pffft. Why would he want to leave. If I was him I'd have written in a clause that I stay at home with the family this season, recover at Moorabbin in a more professional football environment and I'd buys a corporate box at Marvel to watch the Saints all year. They'd have probably said yes.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 23164
- Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 3:53pm
- Has thanked: 9113 times
- Been thanked: 3951 times
- Devilhead
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 8395
- Joined: Mon 08 Mar 2004 11:56pm
- Has thanked: 140 times
- Been thanked: 1174 times
Re: No more Ben King ….
So restricted FA comes into play after 8 years and you have to be inside top 25% player payments at the club you are at - if you aren't in the top 25% then you are automatically considered an unrestricted FA and you can move as you please - safe to say Bing will be a RFA after 8 years at GC
As an RFA your current club can match any offers another club makes .... if they do match and player doesn't want to stay then a trade needs to be done or player goes into draft again ..... so King won't be RFA until after 2026 season (he will be 26 then) or he becomes Unrestricted FA after 10 years and he can move as he likes .... so after 2028 season and he will be 28 then
So with this in mind his new 2 year contract takes to him to end of 2024 - that would be 6 years with GC ...... so he would have to do another 2 years with GC just to make it to RFA
Maybe come mid 2024 and GC are still struggling he may consider a trade again but if they do end up keeping this current young team together they could well improve
As an RFA your current club can match any offers another club makes .... if they do match and player doesn't want to stay then a trade needs to be done or player goes into draft again ..... so King won't be RFA until after 2026 season (he will be 26 then) or he becomes Unrestricted FA after 10 years and he can move as he likes .... so after 2028 season and he will be 28 then
So with this in mind his new 2 year contract takes to him to end of 2024 - that would be 6 years with GC ...... so he would have to do another 2 years with GC just to make it to RFA
Maybe come mid 2024 and GC are still struggling he may consider a trade again but if they do end up keeping this current young team together they could well improve
The Devil makes work for idle hands!!!
- sainterinsydney
- Club Player
- Posts: 781
- Joined: Mon 30 Nov 2009 11:03am
- Been thanked: 22 times
Re: No more Ben King ….
Very happy we won't be giving up two first round draft picks plus for Ben King. We need star midfielders and another key defender.
- Ghost Like
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6562
- Joined: Wed 19 Sep 2007 10:04pm
- Has thanked: 5786 times
- Been thanked: 1909 times
Re: No more Ben King ….
I suspect or hope that we will be negotiating with the Tassie Suns by those datesDevilhead wrote: ↑Thu 10 Mar 2022 4:09pm So restricted FA comes into play after 8 years and you have to be inside top 25% player payments at the club you are at - if you aren't in the top 25% then you are automatically considered an unrestricted FA and you can move as you please - safe to say Bing will be a RFA after 8 years at GC
As an RFA your current club can match any offers another club makes .... if they do match and player doesn't want to stay then a trade needs to be done or player goes into draft again ..... so King won't be RFA until after 2026 season (he will be 26 then) or he becomes Unrestricted FA after 10 years and he can move as he likes .... so after 2028 season and he will be 28 then
So with this in mind his new 2 year contract takes to him to end of 2024 - that would be 6 years with GC ...... so he would have to do another 2 years with GC just to make it to RFA
Maybe come mid 2024 and GC are still struggling he may consider a trade again but if they do end up keeping this current young team together they could well improve
- kosifantutti
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 8584
- Joined: Fri 21 Jan 2005 9:06am
- Location: Back in town
- Has thanked: 527 times
- Been thanked: 1534 times
Re: No more Ben King ….
We would have paid a King’s ransom to get Ben and he’d be worth it too for any club if they didn’t already have a very similar player.
Our resources would be better spent on another midfielder.
Our resources would be better spent on another midfielder.
Macquarie Dictionary Word of the Year for 2023 "Kosi Lives"