Trade-Draft 2021 Discussion

[saynta]

Great, we pick up NWM with our first pick to play with our other non tackling wingman Hill. Two wingman who have no idea of how to tackle. Off to a good start.

Give the kid a chance FFS.

[Impatient Sainter]

Connor MacDonald is the only non-NGA player the Herald Sun has listed as someone we are looking at. A 184cm inside mid.

Would think he will go early 20's so don't see us getting a look in.

[evo]

We needed a big bodied mid or a key defender.

We get a skinny low possession wingman ....???

[Impatient Sainter]

Twomey just said Windhager toured Hawthorn last week, hoping they dont bid on him early?

[Impatient Sainter]

Firstly congratulations to Chris Libartore & James Gallagher on what appears a really sucessful draft. Wanganeen-Milera, Owens, Winghager & Adams are all great gets and fill voids on our list.

For the first time in years I trust the club are recruiting & trading with a planned purpose. The other thing this years drafting strategy suggests we are a strong chance to get Ben King next year.

So after adding 4 x players at the draft and including Campbell we now have 36 senior listed players. 4 cat A rookies, so that basically leaves us with 2 rookie list positions free. Then also the option of adding Peris & Kyke as Cat B rookies.

I wonder if we will fill the vacant rookie list position/s at tomorrow's draft or leave it free for the mid season option? Either way the recruitment team/club has created a great spring board for the future & with some luck we will return to playing finals next year.

[damienc]

Great, we pick up NWM with our first pick to play with our other non tackling wingman Hill. Two wingman who have no idea of how to tackle. Off to a good start.

With the greatest respect your opinion is very one dimensional.

The kid has many attributes for which you give him no credit.

He is a silky evasive outside mid with elite kicking skills.

He is also a very good over head mark.

There is room for improvement in some areas but the stand out feature of NWM is his ability to rise to every challenge he is presented.

So I expect him to thrive in an elite football atmosphere and quite frankly so should you.

[damienc]

We needed a big bodied mid or a key defender.

We get a skinny low possession wingman ....???

Aah no. See previous comment.

[Gershwin]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Recruiters are so overrated. Any one of us could have made exactly the same selections for zero salary.
How much would Liberatore earn? Cushiest job at the club.

[Ghost Like]

We needed a big bodied mid or a key defender.

We get a skinny low possession wingman ....???

Aah no. See previous comment.

I concur dc. We picked up two big bodied mids in our NGAs. I suspect if Gibcus had slid past Richmond we may have chosen him. It appears to have been out of NWM and Sinn. The Club opted for a Wing / HFF instead of the HBF / Mid. An exciting selection which should please those crying out for X factor.

[CQ SAINT]

What's exciting is we start the year with a healthy Gresham, a trimmer Higgins and then can look forward to adding NWM. If Butler regains his 2020 form and King continues the flashes of dominance he ended the season with our attack will be very dangerous.
There's some x factor up around the forward arc and around the peripheral of the forward half stoppages.

[Sanctorum]

What's exciting is we start the year with a healthy Gresham, a trimmer Higgins and then can look forward to adding NWM. If Butler regains his 2020 form and King continues the flashes of dominance he ended the season with our attack will be very dangerous.
There's some x factor up around the forward arc and around the peripheral of the forward half stoppages.

It certainly IS exciting CQ SAINT - can't remember a draft in recent years where St Kilda has taken such 3 really promising mids.

Nasiah Wanganeen Milera in the highlights reels posted in a different thread shows off his excellent decision making with ball in hand, superb disposal and wonderful evasive skills.

He is 5 cm taller than Nicky Winmar yet moves like Cyril Rioli and oozes class!

Together with Max Heath who was taken in the mid-year draft the Saints now have a handful of young future stars to set the team up for greater success.

Having said that, there have been many times in the past when I've felt really upbeat about our team's prospects, only to see them dashed when push has come to shove - but hey, that's the crazy journey that being a staunch Saints supporter is all about

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2021 NAB AFL Rookie Draft Order
1 North Melbourne
2 Collingwood
3 Gold Coast
4 Adelaide
5 Hawthorn
6 Carlton
7 Richmond
8 Fremantle
9 St Kilda
10 West Coast
11 Essendon
12 Sydney
13 GWS
14 Brisbane
15 Geelong
16 Port Adelaide
17 Western Bulldogs
18 Melbourne

19 North Melbourne
20 Collingwood
21 Gold Coast
22 Adelaide
23 Hawthorn
24 Carlton
25 Fremantle
26 St Kilda
27 Essendon
28 Sydney
29 GWS
30 Geelong
31 Port Adelaide
32 Western Bulldogs

33 Gold Coast
34 Fremantle
35 Essendon

Expect a lot of reclaiming of delisted players as rookies.
Then expect plenty of PASSES as club wait for guys to train with the club before making Supplemental Selections ahead of the season or leaving vacancies for the mid season rookie draft.

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Pre selected rookie "B" candidates will not be called they will simply be added to the rookie list.
Josiah Kyle and Jack Peris are likely to be added by St Kilda.

[Saints58]

Firstly congratulations to Chris Libartore & James Gallagher on what appears a really sucessful draft. Wanganeen-Milera, Owens, Winghager & Adams are all great gets and fill voids on our list.

For the first time in years I trust the club are recruiting & trading with a planned purpose. The other thing this years drafting strategy suggests we are a strong chance to get Ben King next year.

So after adding 4 x players at the draft and including Campbell we now have 36 senior listed players. 4 cat A rookies, so that basically leaves us with 2 rookie list positions free. Then also the option of adding Peris & Kyke as Cat B rookies.

I wonder if we will fill the vacant rookie list position/s at tomorrow's draft or leave it free for the mid season option? Either way the recruitment team/club has created a great spring board for the future & with some luck we will return to playing finals next year.

Thanks for all the info great work.
Could we move Joyce to a cat B rookie or even delist him I know we have to pay him out but 1 year rookie pay is not that much.
That would give us options to pick up either 2 rookies this year or 1 mature and 1 rookie and still have a spot for mid season draft!

[Wayne42]

Saints passed on Rookie draft pick 9

[saynta]

Saints passed on Rookie draft pick 9

And 26.

[Wayne42]

Welcome to the Saints Cat B Rookies Jack Peris and Jesiah Kyle

[Impatient Sainter]

Saints just posted on their Instragram account that Peris & Kyle have been added as Cat B rookies.

[ace]

UPDATE to show no rookie "A" taken in rookie draft
Rookie "B' selections announced by club, Josiah Kyle & Jack Peris https://www.saints.com.au/news/1033891/ ... -b-rookies

SENIORS
1 Oscar Adams 2023
2 Matt Allison 2022
3 Josh Battle 2022
4 Jack Billings 2025
5 Dan Butler 2022
6 Ryan Byrnes 2022
7 Jack Bytel 2022
8 Tom Campbell 2022
9 Hunter Clark 2023
10 Nick Coffield 2023
11 Leo Connolly 2023
12 Brad Crouch 2024 +1
13 Jarryn Geary 2022
14 Jade Gresham 2023
15 Dan Hannebery 2022 + 1
16 Jack Higgins 2023
17 Tom Highmore 2022
18 Brad Hill 2024 + 1
19 Dougal Howard 2024
20 Zak Jones 2023
21 Dean Kent - 2022
22 Max King 2026
23 Ben Long 2022
24 Daniel McKenzie 2022
25 Rowan Marshall 2022
26 Tim Membrey 2024
27 Mitchito Owens 2023
28 Ben Paton 2022
29 Sebastian Ross 2023 + 1
30 Paddy Ryder 2023
31 Jack Sinclair 2024
32 Jack Steele 2022
33 Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 2023
34 Jimmy Webster 2022
35 Callum Wilkie - 2023
36 Marcus Windhager 2023


ROOKIES A
1 Max Heath 2022
2 Darragh Joyce - 2022
3 Cooper Sharman 2023
4 Mason Wood 2022
5 ---------------------
6 ---------------------

ROOKIES B
1 Josiah Kyle 2022
2 Jack Peris 2022

Senior list must be 36 to 38
Rookie A list must be 4 to 6
Total senior plus rookie A players no more than 42
2 rookie B allowed on top

St Kilda made a total of 4 draft selections, 1 rookie promotions and 2 rookie "B" selections.
So as it stands St Kilda can still make 2 rookie "A" selections that were left vacant for pre season supplemental selection or mid season rookie drafts.

The club website has no news on an upgrade of Callum Wilkie but it has been identified in the media.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/11/05/ ... mary-list/

[saynta]

UPDATE to show no rookie "A" taken in rookie draft
Rookie "B' selections announced by club, Josiah Kyle & Jack Peris https://www.saints.com.au/news/1033891/ ... -b-rookies

SENIORS
1 Oscar Adams 2023
2 Matt Allison 2022
3 Josh Battle 2022
4 Jack Billings 2025
5 Dan Butler 2022
6 Ryan Byrnes 2022
7 Jack Bytel 2022
8 Tom Campbell 2022
9 Hunter Clark 2023
10 Nick Coffield 2023
11 Leo Connolly 2023
12 Brad Crouch 2024 +1
13 Jarryn Geary 2022
14 Jade Gresham 2023
15 Dan Hannebery 2022 + 1
16 Jack Higgins 2023
17 Tom Highmore 2022
18 Brad Hill 2024 + 1
19 Dougal Howard 2024
20 Zak Jones 2023
21 Dean Kent - 2022
22 Max King 2026
23 Ben Long 2022
24 Daniel McKenzie 2022
25 Rowan Marshall 2022
26 Tim Membrey 2024
27 Mitchito Owens 2023
28 Ben Paton 2022
29 Sebastian Ross 2023 + 1
30 Paddy Ryder 2023
31 Jack Sinclair 2024
32 Jack Steele 2022
33 Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 2023
34 Jimmy Webster 2022
35 Callum Wilkie - 2023
36 Marcus Windhager 2023


ROOKIES A
1 Max Heath 2022
2 Darragh Joyce - 2022
3 Cooper Sharman 2023
4 Mason Wood 2022
5 ---------------------
6 ---------------------

ROOKIES B
1 Josiah Kyle 2022
2 Jack Peris 2022

Senior list must be 36 to 38
Rookie A list must be 4 to 6
Total senior plus rookie A players no more than 42
2 rookie B allowed on top

St Kilda made a total of 4 draft selections, 1 rookie promotions and 2 rookie "B" selections.
So as it stands St Kilda can still make 2 rookie "A" selections that were left vacant for pre season supplemental selection or mid season rookie drafts.

The club website has no news on an upgrade of Callum Wilkie but it has been identified in the media.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/11/05/ ... mary-list/

Also added Tom Campbell.

[Impatient Sainter]

Im really happy with our draft haul - I wonder if the club are looking at some older players to train with us and look at adding them as rookie SSP? Or perhaps they are happy to keep the list spots open looking towards the MSD.

We can't take everyone at the drafts but Patrick Voss (Essendon) was one who really stood out as availvable in the rookie draft. I was really surprised GWS didn't take him as an Academy player? He is 194cm KPP player who plays with a real aggressive/imposing edge and can play at both ends. Plays a bit like a quicker more aggressive Battle. He averaged 15 disposals per game for Oakleigh Chargers and Essendon have picked up a Hurley replacement. I love kids who play like they are the Alpa male and he definitely has that!

PATRICK VOSS AT A GLANCE:

Position: Utility
Team: Oakleigh Chargers/GWS Giants Academy
Height: 194cm
Weight: 84kg
DOB: June 29, 2003
Key strengths: Booming kick, physicality, strong marking

[saynta]

Some of the unlucky ones

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ ... 1737a8b2d8

[Impatient Sainter]

Interesting that 4 years ago we bid on Patrick Naish (Pick 34, 2017), I wonder if we will give him a chance to train with us over the preseason.

He averaged 27.5 disposals and 1 goal a game in the VFL this season.

[CQ SAINT]

Interesting that 4 years ago we bid on Patrick Naish (Pick 34, 2017), I wonder if we will give him a chance to train with us over the preseason.

Its a possibility but would just fire more debate about another quick player who is light and doesn't win contested ball. Thats why Richmond dumped him.

[Impatient Sainter]

Some of the unlucky ones

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ ... 1737a8b2d8

Can you post it mate?