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Teflon wrote: ↑Sat 06 Nov 2021 9:15pm
Campbell looks another smart pick up
Sure he’s depth but he can go forward better than Hunter and for 1 year seems keen to help young Heath out
From Dogs/Roos fans he’s a ripping fella and a mountain of a guy who looks awkward but kicks ok and will be good around the club
Not sure how you call this a smart pick.
Its bloody awful.
Shows me we don't cherish spots on our list enough.
Its pure laziness from our recruiters and list management team to just tick a box and not scour the country for a better option.
Will remind you that Dean Cox, Aaron Sandilands, Rowan Marshall and Oscar McInerney all came off the rookie list.
You can seriously tell me this is the best option in Australia can you?
Bloody awful stuff from our club.
Another list clogger.
Thank you.
The fifth in line ruckman from the bottom club. 30+ y.o. F*** me. There is seriously no young guy in the country worth giving a chance to??? More gap filling with past it old blokes. WTF??? Same mentality that brought Frawley, Hunter and McKernan and they worked out a treat.
Thing is we need experienced back up so it seems we went with a ruck with senior AFL experience against someone without senior AFL experience (ie: PHunter) which we did last year and didn't work out ....... whilst we wait for Carl Jr to come to hand ......good chance we might blood him anyway
Campbell also has some forwadline experience
As for 5th ruck in line (at North) ..... well there was Goldstein ...... Xerri (listed as a key forward) ........ Edwards (18yo mid season draft pick who had never played a senior game .......and Campbell
So that's 4 rucks ...... of which preferred ruck order would have been Goldy (no 1) - then there is Campbell (9 games in 2021 for 97 hit outs & 6 goals & averaging 10 disposals) - then Xerri (8 games, 59 hit outs, 1 goal, 7 disposals - and of course Edwards (0 games, 0 hit outs, 0 goals , 0 disposals)
Think it's time to drop the 5th in line bulls***
Anyway interested to know if those who think it's a terrible decision can throw forward any other available ruck/forward names who were better options? ........ rather than there just has to be others!
Having one young developing ruck on the list is great ..... but having 2 with no senior experienced back-up is asking for trouble especially if we are serious about Finals
Devilhead wrote: ↑Wed 10 Nov 2021 11:50pm
Thing is we need experienced back up so it seems we went with a ruck with senior AFL experience against someone without senior AFL experience (ie: PHunter) which we did last year and didn't work out ....... whilst we wait for Carl Jr to come to hand ......good chance we might blood him anyway
Campbell also has some forwadline experience
As for 5th ruck in line (at North) ..... well there was Goldstein ...... Xerri (listed as a key forward) ........ Edwards (18yo mid season draft pick who had never played a senior game .......and Campbell
So that's 4 rucks ...... of which preferred ruck order would have been Goldy (no 1) - then there is Campbell (9 games in 2021 for 97 hit outs & 6 goals & averaging 10 disposals) - then Xerri (8 games, 59 hit outs, 1 goal, 7 disposals - and of course Edwards (0 games, 0 hit outs, 0 goals , 0 disposals)
Think it's time to drop the 5th in line bulls***
Anyway interested to know if those who think it's a terrible decision can throw forward any other available ruck/forward names who were better options? ........ rather than there just has to be others!
Having one young developing ruck on the list is great ..... but having 2 with no senior experienced back-up is asking for trouble especially if we are serious about Finals
Coleman-Jones got traded for the equivalent of a 2 round pick .... which we didn't have - also any of our later picks are required to be used on our NGAs if they fall to us
We probably could have used a future 2nd rounder but likely we have other plans to use that for Bing or other reasons next season
Devilhead wrote: ↑Wed 10 Nov 2021 11:50pm
Thing is we need experienced back up so it seems we went with a ruck with senior AFL experience against someone without senior AFL experience (ie: PHunter) which we did last year and didn't work out ....... whilst we wait for Carl Jr to come to hand ......good chance we might blood him anyway
Campbell also has some forwadline experience
As for 5th ruck in line (at North) ..... well there was Goldstein ...... Xerri (listed as a key forward) ........ Edwards (18yo mid season draft pick who had never played a senior game .......and Campbell
So that's 4 rucks ...... of which preferred ruck order would have been Goldy (no 1) - then there is Campbell (9 games in 2021 for 97 hit outs & 6 goals & averaging 10 disposals) - then Xerri (8 games, 59 hit outs, 1 goal, 7 disposals - and of course Edwards (0 games, 0 hit outs, 0 goals , 0 disposals)
Think it's time to drop the 5th in line bulls***
Anyway interested to know if those who think it's a terrible decision can throw forward any other available ruck/forward names who were better options? ........ rather than there just has to be others!
Having one young developing ruck on the list is great ..... but having 2 with no senior experienced back-up is asking for trouble especially if we are serious about Finals
If not fifth in line then why is the one delisted and not any of the others?
I like seeing Jaxons posting and agree with him that there have been some great rookie rucks and there are probably some good players out there waiting to be discovered
BUT I don’t agree that Campbell is a disaster and lazy recruiting
I would think if you are going to have 4 rucks on the list the mix we now have is what you would want ( assuming your happy to play 2 in the same team)
So you have the 2 starters , an experienced back up with great attitude who is also keen to help develop the number 4 who is a young developing ruckman ( hopefully those 2 working together more often than not in the 2’s)
I’m not sure we can afford to role the dice on having another project plucked from obscurity instead of someone like Cambell
Us fans often point the finger at the club for not developing our young players well enough - the Campbell selection will hopefully develop Heath faster and better than having Heath run around with another raw ruckman both at this point speculative and potential failures and both not probably the answer in 2022 if Marshall and or Ryder go down for a series of games
Teflon wrote: ↑Sat 06 Nov 2021 9:15pm
Campbell looks another smart pick up
Sure he’s depth but he can go forward better than Hunter and for 1 year seems keen to help young Heath out
From Dogs/Roos fans he’s a ripping fella and a mountain of a guy who looks awkward but kicks ok and will be good around the club
Not sure how you call this a smart pick.
Its bloody awful.
Shows me we don't cherish spots on our list enough.
Its pure laziness from our recruiters and list management team to just tick a box and not scour the country for a better option.
Will remind you that Dean Cox, Aaron Sandilands, Rowan Marshall and Oscar McInerney all came off the rookie list.
You can seriously tell me this is the best option in Australia can you?
Bloody awful stuff from our club.
Another list clogger.
I could mount a very strong argument that your post is pure laziness because you fail to offer suggestions on what the better options would be.
The idea in principle, very much like with Hunter, is quite solid.
The evidence for the rationale was seen this season when we went without Ryder or Marshall… and sometimes both for large portions of the year.
We were rubbish without either, worse without both and the deficiency was so bad that we repeatedly tried to bring Marshall back from injury prematurely.
The problem however is that Hunter was subpar to the point of embarrassing. We gained nothing by having him on the list.
Now the benefit of a guy like Campbell is evident is 10fold. In addition to immediate cover… it’s good to have experienced vets at a lower level for guys like Heath to learn from… but he can also present perspectives form his experience that may help Marshall pick up a truck or two.
But…
It only works if he’s not complete rubbish
The topping up of older senior players last year in McKernan, Hunter, Frawley etc was a disaster because they were all terrible
However, 12 months earlier that strategy was an overwhelming success because it got us Paddy.
So where are we at..?
All depends on Campbell can contribute or not. If he’s not any better than Hunter then we may as well have trolled through the state leagues
Devilhead wrote: ↑Wed 10 Nov 2021 11:50pm
Thing is we need experienced back up so it seems we went with a ruck with senior AFL experience against someone without senior AFL experience (ie: PHunter) which we did last year and didn't work out ....... whilst we wait for Carl Jr to come to hand ......good chance we might blood him anyway
Campbell also has some forwadline experience
As for 5th ruck in line (at North) ..... well there was Goldstein ...... Xerri (listed as a key forward) ........ Edwards (18yo mid season draft pick who had never played a senior game .......and Campbell
So that's 4 rucks ...... of which preferred ruck order would have been Goldy (no 1) - then there is Campbell (9 games in 2021 for 97 hit outs & 6 goals & averaging 10 disposals) - then Xerri (8 games, 59 hit outs, 1 goal, 7 disposals - and of course Edwards (0 games, 0 hit outs, 0 goals , 0 disposals)
Think it's time to drop the 5th in line bulls***
Anyway interested to know if those who think it's a terrible decision can throw forward any other available ruck/forward names who were better options? ........ rather than there just has to be others!
Having one young developing ruck on the list is great ..... but having 2 with no senior experienced back-up is asking for trouble especially if we are serious about Finals
If not fifth in line then why is the one delisted and not any of the others?
A combination of North being last and being a few years away from Finals footy and therefore having time on their side to play younger less experienced Rucks or having them as back up
Devilhead wrote: ↑Wed 10 Nov 2021 11:50pm
Thing is we need experienced back up so it seems we went with a ruck with senior AFL experience against someone without senior AFL experience (ie: PHunter) which we did last year and didn't work out ....... whilst we wait for Carl Jr to come to hand ......good chance we might blood him anyway
Campbell also has some forwadline experience
As for 5th ruck in line (at North) ..... well there was Goldstein ...... Xerri (listed as a key forward) ........ Edwards (18yo mid season draft pick who had never played a senior game .......and Campbell
So that's 4 rucks ...... of which preferred ruck order would have been Goldy (no 1) - then there is Campbell (9 games in 2021 for 97 hit outs & 6 goals & averaging 10 disposals) - then Xerri (8 games, 59 hit outs, 1 goal, 7 disposals - and of course Edwards (0 games, 0 hit outs, 0 goals , 0 disposals)
Think it's time to drop the 5th in line bulls***
Anyway interested to know if those who think it's a terrible decision can throw forward any other available ruck/forward names who were better options? ........ rather than there just has to be others!
Having one young developing ruck on the list is great ..... but having 2 with no senior experienced back-up is asking for trouble especially if we are serious about Finals
If not fifth in line then why is the one delisted and not any of the others?
A combination of North being last and being a few years away from Finals footy and therefore having time on their side to play younger less experienced Rucks or having them as back up
Devilhead wrote: ↑Wed 10 Nov 2021 11:50pm
Thing is we need experienced back up so it seems we went with a ruck with senior AFL experience against someone without senior AFL experience (ie: PHunter) which we did last year and didn't work out ....... whilst we wait for Carl Jr to come to hand ......good chance we might blood him anyway
Campbell also has some forwadline experience
As for 5th ruck in line (at North) ..... well there was Goldstein ...... Xerri (listed as a key forward) ........ Edwards (18yo mid season draft pick who had never played a senior game .......and Campbell
So that's 4 rucks ...... of which preferred ruck order would have been Goldy (no 1) - then there is Campbell (9 games in 2021 for 97 hit outs & 6 goals & averaging 10 disposals) - then Xerri (8 games, 59 hit outs, 1 goal, 7 disposals - and of course Edwards (0 games, 0 hit outs, 0 goals , 0 disposals)
Think it's time to drop the 5th in line bulls***
Anyway interested to know if those who think it's a terrible decision can throw forward any other available ruck/forward names who were better options? ........ rather than there just has to be others!
Having one young developing ruck on the list is great ..... but having 2 with no senior experienced back-up is asking for trouble especially if we are serious about Finals
If not fifth in line then why is the one delisted and not any of the others?
I can only guess contractual obligations. North played brinkmanship with Xerri, hoping for a windfall. St Kilda didn't blink so they are stuck with his contract.
Edwards is a speculative investment in the future, like Heath for us.
Goldstein is our Ryder.
North hope Coleman-Jones will be their RoMa.
When the music stopped, North finished with Xerri as their emergency and we finished with Campbell as ours. Short term it's a win.
I do not see it as lazy but prudent for 2022. Who we have on our list in terms of rucks at the beginning of 2023 will be where our List Manager & Recruiters show if they are worth their money.
They're getting harder to find. Heath will likely only be ready for senior football in 2024 at the earliest. Campbell may have to be second banana in 2023. It's hard to see where any club
in the next two years can pick up a competent mid 20s ruckman who can have have an impact. Sydney rightly jumped for Ladhams. We just weren't in the hunt with our draft picks
The club needs a ready to go ruckman and in that sense Campbell is an upgrade on Hunter and a good option. How does Jaxons know the club havent identified another ruckman to take late in the draft or in the rookie draft? As he says all the ruckman mentioned started on a rookie list as younger players and they all took a number of seasons to become AFL ready. Ruckman take time so really he contradicts himself with those examples/statement.
What he should be critcizing is the clubs inability to recruit ruckman for an eternity. Apart from Everitt & Marshall they have failed to identify and recruit any other ruckman in the past 30 years. Every other decent ruckman was traded in eg Gardiner, King, Ryder. Some might consider McEvoy a good ruckman, however I never rated him as a dominant ruckman. I was always more disappointed with who we overlooked to take McEvoy.
