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Re: Trade-Draft 2021 Discussion

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Under the scenario above, to avoid encumbering St Kilda's 2022 second round pick St Kilda would need GWS to use two picks matching a bid for Josh Fahey.
Then say Windhager not being called until pick 32 and Owens at pick 41 or later.
It gets a little better if GWS does the right thing at pick 2, St Kilda could match pick 28 without effecting 2022 second round for their first NGA.


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Re: Trade-Draft 2021 Discussion

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Ace if Owens is likely to be taken in the top 20, I expect the club will be pretty keen to trade back into the draft. Which clubs do you believe would be interested in doing such a trade?

Saints currently have  9, 62, 66, 67.

Collingwood has picks 36, 38, 40, 46, 48, 55, 58, 78 and 79.
Richmond 7, 15, 26, 27, 28
North 1, 20, 42, 47, 72
Cats 22, 30, 32, 34, 50
Dogs 23, 43, 44, 45, 52.

The best I can come up with is -

Trade out pick # 9 and our future 2nd # 27 = 2172 points.
Trade in Brisbane # 14 & # 18 = 2146 points.

Rationale Brisbane may have a certain player rated higher this year and will need the extra points for the Father Sons next year.
Its doubtful I know as they can use their 2023 picks to trade into next years draft.

We then take Goater & Chesser in the first round and Windhager as an NGA.

Im hoping Gallagher can work his numbers magic come draft night?


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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ ... 10f7a6f25a
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Herald Sun power ratings just out has
Michito Owens at 21
Marcus Windhager at 25
But we can expect about 7 or 8 foreigners before these places so
Michito Owens roughly 28 and Marcus Windhager 33 that's 677 & 563 points but each with a 197 point discount = 480 & 360 points
If one of these guys does not fall outside the top 40 then St Kilda's 2022 second round pick will need to be used.

Basically present picks 62, 66 & 67 are likely to deliver only one of Owens or Windhager hence the need to go into debt on the 2022 second round pick & maybe even third rounder.


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ace wrote: Thu 28 Oct 2021 4:06am https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ ... 10f7a6f25a
Victorian players only
Herald Sun power ratings just out has
Michito Owens at 21
Marcus Windhager at 25
But we can expect about 7 or 8 foreigners before these places so
Michito Owens roughly 28 and Marcus Windhager 33 that's 677 & 563 points but each with a 197 point discount = 480 & 360 points
If one of these guys does not fall outside the top 40 then St Kilda's 2022 second round pick will need to be used.

Basically present picks 62, 66 & 67 are likely to deliver only one of Owens or Windhager hence the need to go into debt on the 2022 second round pick & maybe even third rounder.
That would be skin of teeth stuff - but a good result for the club. It would also lend to my theory that the club will attempt to trade back in later in the draft. It would be nice to know which way the club will go? Gees if players like Bazzo, Zac Taylor, Knevitt of Judson Clarke are still on the board I would be hoping the club has a red hot crack.

Even one of the tall forwards mentioned in this article, taken late would be a good option.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/686053/kevi ... ards-rucks


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Re: Trade-Draft 2021 Discussion

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Impatient Sainter wrote: Thu 28 Oct 2021 9:57am
ace wrote: Thu 28 Oct 2021 4:06am https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ ... 10f7a6f25a
Victorian players only
Herald Sun power ratings just out has
Michito Owens at 21
Marcus Windhager at 25
But we can expect about 7 or 8 foreigners before these places so
Michito Owens roughly 28 and Marcus Windhager 33 that's 677 & 563 points but each with a 197 point discount = 480 & 360 points
If one of these guys does not fall outside the top 40 then St Kilda's 2022 second round pick will need to be used.

Basically present picks 62, 66 & 67 are likely to deliver only one of Owens or Windhager hence the need to go into debt on the 2022 second round pick & maybe even third rounder.
That would be skin of teeth stuff - but a good result for the club. It would also lend to my theory that the club will attempt to trade back in later in the draft. It would be nice to know which way the club will go? Gees if players like Bazzo, Zac Taylor, Knevitt of Judson Clarke are still on the board I would be hoping the club has a red hot crack.

Even one of the tall forwards mentioned in this article, taken late would be a good option.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/686053/kevi ... ards-rucks
More Tall Forwards available in this years draft than i thought, be nice to get one with one of our picks.


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Re: Trade-Draft 2021 Discussion

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Wayne42 wrote: Thu 28 Oct 2021 12:50pm
Impatient Sainter wrote: Thu 28 Oct 2021 9:57am
ace wrote: Thu 28 Oct 2021 4:06am https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ ... 10f7a6f25a
Victorian players only
Herald Sun power ratings just out has
Michito Owens at 21
Marcus Windhager at 25
But we can expect about 7 or 8 foreigners before these places so
Michito Owens roughly 28 and Marcus Windhager 33 that's 677 & 563 points but each with a 197 point discount = 480 & 360 points
If one of these guys does not fall outside the top 40 then St Kilda's 2022 second round pick will need to be used.

Basically present picks 62, 66 & 67 are likely to deliver only one of Owens or Windhager hence the need to go into debt on the 2022 second round pick & maybe even third rounder.
That would be skin of teeth stuff - but a good result for the club. It would also lend to my theory that the club will attempt to trade back in later in the draft. It would be nice to know which way the club will go? Gees if players like Bazzo, Zac Taylor, Knevitt of Judson Clarke are still on the board I would be hoping the club has a red hot crack.

Even one of the tall forwards mentioned in this article, taken late would be a good option.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/686053/kevi ... ards-rucks
More Tall Forwards available in this years draft than i thought, be nice to get one with one of our picks.
Yep one of the tall forwards/ruckman later in the draft would be ideal.
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I must admit after watching Johnson's state games I was critical of Johnsons perceived lack of speed. Now after seeing his combine results, he is not slow. He is just one of those players that the game slows down around him and always seem to have time, similiar to Hunter Clark. With those testing results I wonder if he could come into calculations at our 1st pick?

Matthew Johnson (Subiaco/WA)

The tall midfielder (192cm) couldn’t have done much more across the final month of his 2021 campaign to boost his prospects. After averaging 25 disposals from his final three WAFL reserves games, Johnson was named WA’s best player in the AFL Grand Final curtain-raiser clash against SA. A few weeks later at the draft combine, he placed third nationally in the agility test, sixth in the standing vertical jump and seventh in the running vertical jump while also running the 20m sprint in under three seconds.
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Impatient Sainter wrote: Fri 29 Oct 2021 11:58am I must admit after watching Johnson's state games I was critical of Johnsons perceived lack of speed. N9w after seeing his combine results, he is not slow. He is just one of those players that the game slows down around him and always seem to have time, similiar to Hunter Clark. With those testing results I wonder if he could come into calculations at our 1st pick?

Matthew Johnson (Subiaco/WA)

The tall midfielder (192cm) couldn’t have done much more across the final month of his 2021 campaign to boost his prospects. After averaging 25 disposals from his final three WAFL reserves games, Johnson was named WA’s best player in the AFL Grand Final curtain-raiser clash against SA. A few weeks later at the draft combine, he placed third nationally in the agility test, sixth in the standing vertical jump and seventh in the running vertical jump while also running the 20m sprint in under three seconds.
Unless a WA kid is clearly better for our needs and is clearly next best available, I'm inclined to pass and choose a local, even if they are ranked lower in phantom drafts - Sonsie, Sinn, Goater, Butler.


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Pick a WA player with a first round pick, two year contract, then wants home, with only West Coast and Fremantle in the bidding have to take the fourth round pick offered for a future star.


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ace wrote: Fri 29 Oct 2021 2:42pm Pick a WA player with a first round pick, two year contract, then wants home, with only West Coast and Fremantle in the bidding have to take the fourth round pick offered for a future star.
Agree if he is rated the same as a Vic kid we should go that way (it was just food for thought). Having said Acres was from Perth and did everything to stay at the club, so not all WA players want to return home.


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Impatient Sainter wrote: Fri 29 Oct 2021 3:35pm
ace wrote: Fri 29 Oct 2021 2:42pm Pick a WA player with a first round pick, two year contract, then wants home, with only West Coast and Fremantle in the bidding have to take the fourth round pick offered for a future star.
Agree if he is rated the same as a Vic kid we should go that way (it was just food for thought). Having said Acres was from Perth and did everything to stay at the club, so not all WA players want to return home.
True IS and to be fair we have been screwed on players wanting to go as far west as Geelong. That said I'd rather my chances with a Vic kid not wanting to go west or north after two or five years.


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The Jamie Cripps lesson still resonates

No WA kids with first pick


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This is another good phantom draft, has Tyler Sonsie around our pick. Rookie Me Central.

For the romantics amongst us I wonder if Sam Butler is on the clubs mind? It would be nice to have the two brothers playing together at the Saints. He might be a reach but his athletic traits are first class and playing with their brothers brings something out in players.

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Owens at 33 costs 563 - 197 = 366 points to match
Windhager at 37 costs 483 points - 197 = 286 points to match
Total required = 652 points
Picks 62, 66 & 67 would have to become picks 51, 55 & 56 (660 points) on the night.
No way can I see our picks moving forward 11 places.
2022 second rounder would have to encumbered.
The only way St Kilda is likely to get both with encumbering 2022 second rounder is if one of them falls outside the top 40.


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Impatient Sainter wrote: Thu 28 Oct 2021 9:57am
ace wrote: Thu 28 Oct 2021 4:06am https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ ... 10f7a6f25a
Victorian players only
Herald Sun power ratings just out has
Michito Owens at 21
Marcus Windhager at 25
But we can expect about 7 or 8 foreigners before these places so
Michito Owens roughly 28 and Marcus Windhager 33 that's 677 & 563 points but each with a 197 point discount = 480 & 360 points
If one of these guys does not fall outside the top 40 then St Kilda's 2022 second round pick will need to be used.

Basically present picks 62, 66 & 67 are likely to deliver only one of Owens or Windhager hence the need to go into debt on the 2022 second round pick & maybe even third rounder.
That would be skin of teeth stuff - but a good result for the club. It would also lend to my theory that the club will attempt to trade back in later in the draft. It would be nice to know which way the club will go? Gees if players like Bazzo, Zac Taylor, Knevitt of Judson Clarke are still on the board I would be hoping the club has a red hot crack.

Even one of the tall forwards mentioned in this article, taken late would be a good option.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/686053/kevi ... ards-rucks
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There's no points left to trade, only late round picks from 2022 3rd and 2 off 4th rounders with little points value.


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ace wrote: Thu 04 Nov 2021 12:18am Owens at 33 costs 563 - 197 = 366 points to match
Windhager at 37 costs 483 points - 197 = 286 points to match
Total required = 652 points
Picks 62, 66 & 67 would have to become picks 51, 55 & 56 (660 points) on the night.
No way can I see our picks moving forward 11 places.
2022 second rounder would have to encumbered.
The only way St Kilda is likely to get both with encumbering 2022 second rounder is if one of them falls outside the top 40.
Thanks.

Surely Windhager falls outside the Top 40 after the reports into his back issues.


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Port Adelaide tipped to recruit Sam Skinner as a Key Back.

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Best talls on offer.

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Key forward/defender/ruckman, 204cm, 75kg

Clubs who could suit: Western Bulldogs

Darcy is the standout key position player of the draft class, boasting outstanding contested marking, unrivalled size at 204cm, mobility and valuable versatility. The son of Bulldogs great Luke Darcy’s status as a potential top-three selection came after an epic trial match performance for Vic Metro, clunking four contested marks and finishing with 6.3. He was used down back for the Chargers in the NAB League to great effect, with his reading of the playing and strong hands allowing him to cut off attacking forays. Darcy also has the potential to pinch-hit in the ruck, adding to his appeal. He will take time to add to his slim build but the father-son prodigy shapes as another exciting addition to Luke Beveridge’s key position stocks.

THE STAT: As a key defender for Oakleigh, Darcy ranked second in the competition for intercept marks per game, averaging 3.3 across three matches.
Mac Andrew

Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country

Ruckman, 201cm, 79kg

Clubs who could suit: GWS, Gold Coast, Fremantle, St Kilda, West Coast

Andrew has as much upside as any prospect in the draft pool with his exciting combination of athleticism and flexibility. Likened to Melbourne Rising Star winner Luke Jackson for his follow-up work and leap as a ruckman, Andrew was thought to be a project player, but has added nine kilograms to his frame this year and has the scope to be used in a variety of roles. An eye-catching performance in the Victorian Challenge match saw Andrew’s draft stocks rise significantly, finishing with 15 disposals, seven marks (four contested) and a goal for Vic Country. His meteoric rise will deny Melbourne from nabbing the Demons Next Generation Academy product, born in Egypt to South Sudanese parents, as new draft rules precludes clubs from matches NGA bids within the first 20 selections. Interest has come as early as Greater Western Sydney at pick two.

THE STAT: Andrew had 22 disposals, 12 contested possessions, six hitouts to advantage, six clearances and 140 ranking points in his first NAB League game of the year.
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Mac Andrew has been likened to Luke Jackson. Picture: Michael Klein
Josh Gibcus

GWV Rebels/Vic Country

Key defender, 196cm, 87kg

Clubs who could suit: GWS, Gold Coast, Richmond, St Kilda

An athletic intercept defender in the mould of Melbourne All-Australian Jake Lever, Gibcus reads the play beautifully in defence and fearlessly attacks the ball in the air. Gibcus tested strongly in the running vertical jump test, climbing 95cm in the running vertical jump discipline at the pre-season testing day, and recorded a 3.04-second 20m sprint at the AFL Draft Combine. These athletic traits are seen frequently in his game in closing down opponents on the lead and leaping high to mark or spoil. Gibcus played a key role on Darcy while matched up against him in the Victorian trial match and dominated the air for the Rebels, averaging 7.9 intercept possessions and 3.2 intercept marks per game.

THE STAT: Gibcus reeled in five or more intercept marks in four matches and 10 or more intercept possessions on five occasions in the NAB League.

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Jye Amiss

East Perth/WA

Key forward, 195cm, 83kg

Clubs who could suit: Fremantle, Essendon, GWS, Richmond

Amiss appears the best key-forward prospect, behind Darcy, in this year’s draft. He’s a beautiful set shot, brilliant on the lead, strong overhead and boasts uncanny goal sense for a 195cm big man. And his rapid rise up the order is on the back of a brilliant year at WAFL Colts level, where he booted 51.14 in 15 matches, to show a significant rate of improvement. Amiss struggled in the major round, though, being held goalless in East Perth’s first two finals but he was the star of the national carnival opener against WA, booting 2.1 from 12 disposals and six marks – four of them on the lead.

THE STAT: In his first 11 WAFL Colts games this season, Amiss averaged 4.2 goals, 4 marks inside-50 and 137 ranking points.
Jye Amiss looms as the next best key forward behind Sam Darcy. Picture: Paul Kane/Getty Images
Jye Amiss looms as the next best key forward behind Sam Darcy. Picture: Paul Kane/Getty Images
Jacob van Rooyen

Claremont/WA

Key forward/defender, 193cm, 87kg

Clubs who could suit: Fremantle, North Melbourne, GWS, Richmond

The athletic West Australian tall is equally as impressive in the air as a forward, whether it be on the lead or one-out, given his outstanding bodywork, as he is in defence. He booted 19.15 at WAFL Colts level in an impressive bottom-age season, which saw him enter 2021 as the state’s most highly-touted prospect. The strong-marking Van Rooyen then kicked two majors in his senior debut for Claremont. A bout of glandular fever soon followed but he bounced back to dominate inside-50 at junior level, booting 24 goals in his final six matches, including a four-goal haul in the grand final. But he also showed how effective he can be at the other end of the ground, putting on an intercept marking masterclass in the first two games of the national carnival against SA.

THE STAT: In his return to the WAFL Colts in Round 18, van Rooyen tallied 22 disposals, 18 contested possessions, five contested marks, five tackles, 6.2 and 221 ranking points.
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Jack Williams

East Fremantle/WA

Key forward/ruckman, 195cm, 91kg

Clubs who could suit: Hawthorn, North Melbourne, Melbourne, Richmond, West Coast, Fremantle

The strong-marking forward exploded in 2021, booting 15 goals in the opening four rounds of the WAFL Colts season and finishing with 40.24 for the year – second only to Amiss. Williams is terrific one-on-one and rarely beaten in the air and can also play in defence as he showed in the early stages of his bottom-age season when he took eight intercept marks in the first four matches. But his versatility doesn’t stop there, with the well-built 195cm prospect playing as a mobile ruckman for East Fremantle and for WA at national level. He was the Sandgropers best in the final match of the carnival against WA and tallied 17 disposals, eight hitouts-to-advantage, nine score involvements, four clearances and two intercept marks, playing a similar role, against Peel Thunder in Round 9.

THE STAT: Williams was the No. 1 ranked player for score involvements (7.8) in the WAFL Colts.
Leek Alleer

Central District/SA

Key defender, 195cm, 84kg

Clubs who could suit: North Melbourne, Brisbane, Geelong, Sydney, West Coast

The raw key-defender dominated the air in a breakout season at SANFL level, taking 28 intercept marks in 11 senior games. A horror leg injury stalled his development over the previous two years, and playing in various roles across half-forward and on a wing, without dominating any one of them, saw Alleer overlooked in the draft and passed on by Adelaide as an NGA prospect. But a move to defence over summer made recruiters take note, as the 21-year-old thrilled with his incredible athleticism and intercept marking. Alleer, who moved to Australia from South Sudan when he was six, then broke the running vertical jump record at the combine. He still has plenty to learn but, given he has one of the highest ceilings of any key-position prospect in the pool, a club could pounce inside the top 30.

THE STAT: Alleer averaged 6.5 intercepts, 2.5 intercept marks and 5.4 spoils per game in the SANFL this year.
Rhett Bazzo

Swan Districts/WA

Key defender/forward 195cm, 81kg

Clubs who could suit: Brisbane, Geelong, Sydney, West Coast,

Bazzo made a name for himself at the under-16 national carnival – and at WAFL Colts level last year – as an intercept star in defence. That’s where he played in the AFL Academy game against Geelong’s VFL team in April, too, but highly-rated booted 4.6 and took 11 marks playing forward in Swan Districts’ opening two games of 2021 to highlight that his flexibility isn’t just limited to one end of the ground. Bazzo is renowned for his intercept marking and likes to take the game on in the air and is another versatile West Australian who provides plenty of value just outside the first round.

THE STAT: Bazzo took a game-high five intercept marks for WA in the under-19 carnival opener against SA – his only appearance at national level this year.
Toby Conway

Geelong Falcons/Vic Country

Ruckman, 205cm, 97kg

Clubs who could suit: Collingwood, West Coast, Melbourne, Adelaide

The top traditional ruckman in the draft pool, Conway has been a consistent performer at all levels this season. Conway has showcased his competitiveness, tapwork, ability to cover the ground and tidy skills for a player of his size. The 205cm project player was among the best in the AFL Academy clash with Geelong’s VFL side and in the Victorian Challenge match, where he finished with 25 hitouts, 10 touches and three clearances. The cousin of Swans tall Tom McCartin and former Saint Paddy, it will be a fascinating watch to see where he lands, given the lack of ruckman in the pool and the number of developing ruckmen snared in the mid-season draft.

THE STAT: Conway recorded 20 hitouts and 10 disposals or more in his six NAB League games and his two matches for Vic Country.
Toby Conway is the leading traditional ruckman in this year’s draft. Picture: Darrian Traynor/AFL Photos
Toby Conway is the leading traditional ruckman in this year’s draft. Picture: Darrian Traynor/AFL Photos
Charlie Dean

Williamstown/VFL

Key defender, 195cm/86kg

Clubs who could suit: Brisbane, North Melbourne, Sydney, St Kilda

After being overlooked in his draft year of 2019 and again last year as a key forward, Dean transformed into an intercepting marking defender for Williamstown and flourished. His breakout campaign saw him awarded the Fothergill-Round-Mitchell Medal as the best young player in the VFL – an award that is synonymous with mature-age AFL recruits. Dean earned a call-up to the AFL Draft Combine, highlighting the interest from AFL clubs. Dean has strong hands overhead, reads the play well and has a sound kick, allowing him to bring down contested marks and be a springboard from defence.

THE STAT: Dean won the second most intercept possessions in the VFL in 2021, averaging an elite 8.2 per game."


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Ghost Like wrote: Thu 04 Nov 2021 8:37am Surely Windhager falls outside the Top 40 after the reports into his back issues.
Word is he will never play football again due to his back. :cry:
Until he is drafted by St Kilda. :D

As a St Kilda NGA player with considerable contact with the club, only St Kilda will have medical access to the real extent of the injury.
He may be like Bytel just delayed a year in his training but we want other clubs to be very wary so he falls outside of the top 40.


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Where's our delisted free agent.
The delisted free agent period has been open for one day, and not a murmur from the saints.
Clubs and players should have these planned ahead of the period opening.


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BIGGY

Richmond has delisted Bigoa Nyuon and Noah Cumberland both with a promise of drafting them onto their rookie list.
Richmond get their rookie pick ahead of St Kilda having tanked to finish lower on the ladder.
St Kilda could nab Biggy if Richmond use their first rookie pick on Cumberland or guarantee getting Biggy by using the club's last main draft pick on Biggy.


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Reliable St Kilda defender Callum Wilkie has bee upgraded to the primary list, with the addition of Tom Campbell that's 2 less available spots on the primary list.


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UPDATE = Tom Campbell recruited as delisted free agent, Callum Wilkie upgraded to senior list.
SENIORS
1 Matt Allison 2022
2 Josh Battle 2022
3 Jack Billings 2025
4 Dan Butler 2022
5 Ryan Byrnes 2022
6 Jack Bytel 2022
7 Tom Campbell 2022
8 Hunter Clark 2023
9 Nick Coffield 2023
10 Leo Connolly 2023
11 Brad Crouch 2024 +1
12 Jarryn Geary 2022
13 Jade Gresham 2023
14 Dan Hannebery 2022 + 1
15 Jack Higgins 2023
16 Tom Highmore 2022
17 Brad Hill 2024 + 1
18 Dougal Howard 2024
19 Zak Jones 2023
20 Dean Kent - 2022
21 Max King 2026
22 Ben Long 2022
23 Daniel McKenzie 2022
24 Rowan Marshall 2022
25 Tim Membrey 2024
26 Ben Paton 2022
27 Sebastian Ross 2023 + 1
28 Paddy Ryder 2023
29 Jack Sinclair 2024
30 Jack Steele 2022
31 Jimmy Webster 2022
32 Callum Wilkie - 2023

ROOKIES A
1 Max Heath 2022
2 Darragh Joyce - 2022
3 Cooper Sharman 2023
4 Mason Wood 2022

Senior list must be 36 to 38
Rookie A list must be 4 to 6
Total senior plus rookie A players no more than 42
2 rookie B allowed on top

Must make a total of 3 draft selections or rookie promotions.
Wilkie's rookie promotion means a minimum of 2 senior draft picks must be made.
Only selections activated by vacancies can be used.
That means to use multiple picks to queue jump a club must have all those picks activated by vacancies.

So as it stands St Kilda can make 6 selections of which the last 2 could be senior or rookie A, plus 2 rookie B (pre-selections ahead of the rookie draft probably NGAs).


As it stands today picks 9, 62, 66, 67, 85, 103 have been activated.
Should other clubs not activate picks then St Kilda's activated picks will move forward.
Then on the night pick 9 is almost certainly going to become pick 11 as Collingwood is expected to queue jump for a father-son in Daicos and Bulldogs to do likewise for Darcy
When they do so they will consume multiple picks causing St Kilda's later picks to advance forward in the order and increase in points value.
Other father-son and NGA queue jumping for picks in the 21 to 40 range on the night will reshuffle the order.

St Kilda must go into the season with a minimum of 36, maximum of 38 senior players so they must make a minimum of 4 main draft senior picks.
Any of the remaining places available become rookie A places up to a maximum of 6 rookie A.
Rookie A places not filled in the rookie draft become available for pre season supplemental selection or mid season rookie drafts.

The club website has no news on an upgrade of Callum Wilkie but it has been identified in the media.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/11/05/ ... mary-list/


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ace wrote: Sat 06 Nov 2021 3:44am UPDATE = Tom Campbell recruited as delisted free agent, Callum Wilkie upgraded to senior list.
SENIORS
1 Matt Allison 2022
2 Josh Battle 2022
3 Jack Billings 2025
4 Dan Butler 2022
5 Ryan Byrnes 2022
6 Jack Bytel 2022
7 Tom Campbell 2022
8 Hunter Clark 2023
9 Nick Coffield 2023
10 Leo Connolly 2023
11 Brad Crouch 2024 +1
12 Jarryn Geary 2022
13 Jade Gresham 2023
14 Dan Hannebery 2022 + 1
15 Jack Higgins 2023
16 Tom Highmore 2022
17 Brad Hill 2024 + 1
18 Dougal Howard 2024
19 Zak Jones 2023
20 Dean Kent - 2022
21 Max King 2026
22 Ben Long 2022
23 Daniel McKenzie 2022
24 Rowan Marshall 2022
25 Tim Membrey 2024
26 Ben Paton 2022
27 Sebastian Ross 2023 + 1
28 Paddy Ryder 2023
29 Jack Sinclair 2024
30 Jack Steele 2022
31 Jimmy Webster 2022
32 Callum Wilkie - 2023

ROOKIES A
1 Max Heath 2022
2 Darragh Joyce - 2022
3 Cooper Sharman 2023
4 Mason Wood 2022

Senior list must be 36 to 38
Rookie A list must be 4 to 6
Total senior plus rookie A players no more than 42
2 rookie B allowed on top

Must make a total of 3 draft selections or rookie promotions.
Wilkie's rookie promotion means a minimum of 2 senior draft picks must be made.
Only selections activated by vacancies can be used.
That means to use multiple picks to queue jump a club must have all those picks activated by vacancies.

So as it stands St Kilda can make 6 selections of which the last 2 could be senior or rookie A, plus 2 rookie B (pre-selections ahead of the rookie draft probably NGAs).


As it stands today picks 9, 62, 66, 67, 85, 103 have been activated.
Should other clubs not activate picks then St Kilda's activated picks will move forward.
Then on the night pick 9 is almost certainly going to become pick 11 as Collingwood is expected to queue jump for a father-son in Daicos and Bulldogs to do likewise for Darcy
When they do so they will consume multiple picks causing St Kilda's later picks to advance forward in the order and increase in points value.
Other father-son and NGA queue jumping for picks in the 21 to 40 range on the night will reshuffle the order.

St Kilda must go into the season with a minimum of 36, maximum of 38 senior players so they must make a minimum of 4 main draft senior picks.
Any of the remaining places available become rookie A places up to a maximum of 6 rookie A.
Rookie A places not filled in the rookie draft become available for pre season supplemental selection or mid season rookie drafts.

The club website has no news on an upgrade of Callum Wilkie but it has been identified in the media.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/11/05/ ... mary-list/
Appreciate your updates Ace.


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