Mids available in 2021 draft

[saynta]

One of Tyler Sonsie or Josh Sinn should still be there come pick 11.

[B.M]

Josh Sinn being listed as a HB/mid concerns me

Rather an out and out mid with some speed

[CURLY]

Sonsie was rated a top 1-2 draft pick prior to the start of the season. Injury has pushed him down the order as he has limited exposed form.

[B.M]

That’s a good reason to select him

With young Mids/Runners
2015 - Gresham (24)
2015 - Higgins (24)
2017 - Clarke (22)
2017 - Coffield (22)
2018 - Bytel (21)
2019 - Byrnes (20)
2019 - Connolly (20)

Add to that
2021 - Sonsie (18), Winhager (18)

Some good kids there to support the older players

And given The talls of Howard, Wilkie, Highmore, King, Battle, Sharman

[Wayne42]

If Josh Gibcus, 195cm and 84kg KPD was still available at St Kilda's first pick would they pick him or would they still go best available mid.

[damienc]

Josh Sinn being listed as a HB/mid concerns me

Rather an out and out mid with some speed

If we take him it will be because of his midfield attributes.

He uses his speed to break the lines

Funny, I see his defensive skills as a positive.

The most valuable AFL players are the ones who can defend equally well as attack.

Whoever we take will be good. This is midfielders draft.

[wally]

So if we took one of these mids with our first pick what would the general expectation of when he would debut?

[B.M]

HBs don’t have defensive skills

They are the 2nd most unaccountable players in teams - behind ruckmen

They allow their HF opponents to push up the ground and they sit back and wait for a turnover. By far the easiest position to play on the ground!!!

Why do you think Brad Hill plays well there? But can’t get a kick on the wing!!! Caleb Daniel etc…

If a player has poor defensive skills, they are played across HB

It’s not the 1970s

[Teflon]

So if we took one of these mids with our first pick what would the general expectation of when he would debut?

I’m looking for JC Rd 1 next year

[Impatient Sainter]

The draft experts on BF - eDPS, ModernArtillery, Pie 4 Life and PMBangers recently did a mock draft -

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ ... 234/page-5

They had us taking Josh Rachele @ 11, Mitchito Owens @ 29 & Marcus Winhager @ 40. If it eventuates they would be a great mixture of midfield talent all with the ability to go forward and snag a goal. Particularly Rachele he is a more mobile version of Gresham and reportedly has the ability to turn games off his own boot.

[MCG-Unit]

Matthew Roberts and Neil Erasmus both get good write ups.

Yes I like Erasmus, from WA

I like him too but the go home factor is just too risky IMO. Stick with a Victorian

Ok then, the Vics I like around #9 - 11 Sinn, Rachelle, Sonsie & Goater

Lots of upside with Erasmus - not 18 until Dec. If he was available at #9, I would take him in a heartbeat

[saynta]

Rachelle has been likened to Toby Greene. Good player by not a mid .

[B.M]

Not sure Rachelle is the right pick for us?

If we got Owens at 29
And
Windhager at 40

It’d be a good draft

[Impatient Sainter]

Rachelle has been likened to Toby Greene. Good player by not a mid .

Any player as good as Toby Green is a win IMO. Rachele has been playing mostly midfield for the Bushrangers, if he is dangerous forward aswell it just makes him more attractive IMO.

Here is modernartillery's explanation for taking Rachele at our pick -

He can do midfield stuff, though I'd say he's more of a pinch hitter/burst type rather than an out and out mid. I know St Kilda added Higgins last year but with Ward, Erasmus, Sonsie and Wanganeen-Milera all off the board I went with Rachele's star power. He's a pretty polarising type who's certainly not short of confidence. He's just so talented and can really turn and win a game off his own boot. I think you're getting star power and x-factor, someone who hits the scoreboard in bunches and makes things happen forward of centre. Hobbs was a bit too similar to the other Saints midfielders for me with Goater and Johnson the other considerations at this selection.

Further a question re Draper v Rachele

Rachele doesn't have the same versatility but he's really top end at what he does. I'd view him as more dynamic and with a greater ability to impact the scoreboard. He's the type of player that can take the game away from you whereas I don't view Draper as having that same ceiling.

Some have suggested Josh Sinn but for me his kicking is sceptical and do we really need another HBF, so Id be happy with Rachele.

With the club expressing interest at getting another earlier pick in the draft, perhaps they are looking at outside run like Chesser at a later pick?

[saynta]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ ... 21bacc7d8d


"8. Mac Andrew (Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country)

Ruckman, 200cm, 70kg

Andrew has shot up draft boards this year after an exciting season where he showed off his outstanding athleticism and spring for a prospect standing 200cm. The Demons Next Generation Academy product set tongues wagging in an eye-catching U19 Challenge performance for Vic Country, with his intercept marking a feature. New NGA rules barring clubs to match bids inside the top 20 mean Melbourne is set to miss out on Andrew.

Dan says: May take time but is a prospect with as much upside as any. His follow-up work at stoppages is another promising attribute.

Jordan says: I wouldn’t be surprised if a club takes a chance on Andrew before this mark, given his sky-high potential and eye-catching traits.
Jye Amiss has been deadly accurate in front of goal this season. Picture: Dylan Burns/AFL Photos/Getty Images
Jye Amiss has been deadly accurate in front of goal this season. Picture: Dylan Burns/AFL Photos/Getty Images
9. Jye Amiss (East Perth/WA)

Key forward, 195cm, 83kg

After booting 51.14 in 14 WAFL Colts games - 16 more than any other player - and a brilliant performance against SA in the Under-19 carnival opener, the athletic tall looks the second best key-forward prospect behind Darcy. Amiss is brilliant on the lead, strong overhead and boasts uncanny goal sense for a big man.

Dan says: What he has achieved this year while commuting from Busselton to East Perth – that’s 2.5 hours one-way – for training and matches is phenomenal. Injury in the grand final showcase won’t impact his standing.

Jordan says: I have him slightly outside the top-10 but I’m still convinced after he backed up his dominant WAFL Colts season at national level.
10. Josh Sinn (Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro)

Defender/midfielder, 186cm, 73kg

Sinn has been hampered by a string of injuries this season but there is no doubting his talent as a game-breaking defender/midfielder with his run and kicking. While his finishing was off at times in the NAB League, Sinn was one of Vic Metro’s best in their Challenge contest.

Dan says: Rated as a potential No. 1 pick at U16 level, Sinn has had no luck in his top-age year. A club could get a serious bargain if he slides.

Jordan says: We haven’t seen much of him but Sinn’s ability to break the game open with his speed and foot skills is undeniable. Does he have more upside than Hobbs and Ward? Maybe.
Consensus Player Jordan Pinto Dan Batten
1 Jason Horne-Francis 1 1
2 Nick Daicos 2 2
3 Sam Darcy 4 3
4 Finn Callaghan 3 4
5 Josh Gibcus 5 6
6 Ben Hobbs 11 5
7 Josh Ward 6 10
8 Mac Andrew 7 8
9 Jye Amiss 15 9
10 Josh Sinn 8 11
11 Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 10 13
12 Matthew Roberts 9 14
13 Josh Rachele 14 7
14 Tyler Sonsie 13 15
15 Arlo Draper 16 16
16 Neil Erasmus 17 12
17 Josh Goater 12 18
18 Matthew Johnson 19 17
19 Campbell Chesser 18 20
20 Jacob van Rooyen 22 19
21 Sam Butler 20 24
22 Darcy Wilmot 25 22
23 Jack Williams 23 23
24 Jesse Motlop 24 21
25 Zac Taylor 26 27
26 Blake Howes 21 29
27 Toby Conway 30 25
28 Jase Burgoyne 29 26
29 Mitch Knevitt 28 28
30 Tom Brown 27
11. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera (Glenelg/SA)

Wingman, 188cm, 70kg

The athletically gifted teenager looms as this year’s top 10 bolter after impressing at senior level for Glenelg and showing off his brilliance for South Australia. Wanganeen-Milera - the nephew of Port Adelaide and Essendon great Gavin - glides across the ground and is incredibly balanced, delivering with precision on both sides of his body, often after dancing around an opponent.

Dan says: A kick you can set your watch to. His elite footskills and ability to dodge would-be tacklers make him a rare commodity.

Jordan says: Wanganeen-Milera weaving in and out of traffic before finding a teammate on the chest is a sight to behold. And he proved he can win his own ball at the contest, showing off his clean hands, at SANFL level.
Glenelg draft prospect Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera. Picture: Cory Sutton
Glenelg draft prospect Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera. Picture: Cory Sutton
12. Matty Roberts (South Adelaide/SA)

Midfielder/forward, 183cm, 81kg

The ball-magnet is tough, competitive, makes good decisions and an elite footy IQ means he’s always in the right spot. Roberts broke into South Adelaide’s senior side this year after finishing with ranking-point tallies of 175, 188 and 240 in three under-18 matches. He then further highlighted his strength as a forward at senior level, but it’s ability to continually deliver and influence the game through the midfield which has him so highly rated.

Dan says: Proved he can be a dangerous forward at SANFL senior level, kicking six goals in seven matches. Another bankable midfield option who is ready-made.

Jordan says: Some may have a more impressive highlights reel, but you could just about bank on Roberts playing 200 AFL games right now.
13. Josh Rachele (Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country)

Forward/midfielder, 180cm, 78kg

An explosive and dangerous forward/midfielder, Rachele produces magic in the forward 50 with his ability to kick goals from all angles. Likened to Giants dynamo Toby Greene, Rachele performed strongly in the Victorian trial and Challenge matches for Vic Country and kicked six goals in his final NAB League game of the season.

Dan says: Rachele’s highlights reel is going to be something to behold. His midfield traits – which he showcased in taking out the Kevin Sheehan Medal as MVP at the U16 carnival – can’t be forgotten, either. Rate him as a top-ten choice.

Jordan says: Brilliant as a midfielder at the under-16 champs but can he play there at AFL level? Maybe he doesn’t need to, given his goalkicking traits.
Josh Rachele has been compared to Giants star Toby Greene. Picture: Michael Klein
Josh Rachele has been compared to Giants star Toby Greene. Picture: Michael Klein
14. Tyler Sonsie (Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro)

Midfielder, 181cm, 77kg

A dynamic and creative midfield prospect who hits the scoreboard, showing these traits in an exciting VFL debut for Box Hill, finishing with 26 disposals, six clearances and two goals. Suffered an ill-timed ankle injury in July which meant he was unable to get back on the park.

Dan says: A similar story to Sinn as a highly touted prospect going into this season. Others look to have gone ahead of him due to being sidelined.

Jordan says: Like a few others, Sonsie hasn’t been able to enhance his standing in the draft pool this year. But what he’s done at multiple levels throughout his junior career has been very, very good."


I would be happy with anyone of these guys.

[B.M]

I think we will get a good player at 11 no matter which way we go

[Teflon]

The draft experts on BF - eDPS, ModernArtillery, Pie 4 Life and PMBangers recently did a mock draft -

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ ... 234/page-5

They had us taking Josh Rachele @ 11, Mitchito Owens @ 29 & Marcus Winhager @ 40. If it eventuates they would be a great mixture of midfield talent all with the ability to go forward and snag a goal. Particularly Rachele he is a more mobile version of Gresham and reportedly has the ability to turn games off his own boot.

No to Rachelle
FFS can’t we just get for once a pure mid??
Not another HF anything??

[bangaulegend]

Matthew Roberts and Neil Erasmus both get good write ups.

Yes I like Erasmus, from WA

I like him too but the go home factor is just too risky IMO. Stick with a Victorian

Ok then, the Vics I like around #9 - Sinn, Rachelle, Sonsie & Goater

Lots of upside with Erasmus - not 18 until Dec. If he was available at #9, I would take him in a heartbeat

Sonsie looks good so does Sinn & I wouldn't be disappointed if they took Erasmus but I would hate to see him get to a decent level & then want to go home as some do

[saynta]

I think we will get a good player at 11 no matter which way we go

Yep, appears so.

[older saint]

Best Player available. Ideally a mid with speed , but must have an outside game.

no use picking bigs as take 3-4 years to develop and being really not something we can do unless they are elite.

[CURLY]

Rachelle has been likened to Toby Greene. Good player by not a mid .

Toby Greene would be a fantastic mid it's just that he's such an elite forward.

[Yallingupsaints]

Greg Clark from Subi fits below as good as anyone

“Best Player available. Ideally a mid with speed , but must have an outside game. “