Grant Thomas

[Teflon]

There must be a very fine line between trolling and stalking, but if you are game enough to post on this thread you are likely to find out. If your opinion does not align with a statement of fact, watch out!

Spot on Trevor
No more fake news!!!

[Teflon]

Looking at our GFs under Lyon, I would say we lost because some of our more highly rated players didn't perform on the day that counted for whatever reason.

The second half from Ball in 09 was pretty useless.

Probably matters less if we did what we were supposed to in the first half...

If a coach wants a player on the list and if the coach thinks that the player has what it takes to win you a final then who is ultimately responsible when that player fails?

If they did what they were supposed to do maybe St Kilda wins it’s second flag in 2009

And let’s be specific here. I’m talking about Milne and Schneider. Two blokes that Lyon wanted in his team

Ball had what it took to win in the dying minutes of a cut throat prelim final. He proved it in 2011 when he got Collingwood into a Grand Final. Lyon is a turd and a poor judge of footballers. Maybe just a poor judge of people too

So if a coach wants a player on the list
The player fails to deliver
It’s all the coaches fault
The player has no responsibility to do his part - often the basics like kick a goal from inside the goal square ? (see Schneider 09)
Sorry that’s just absolute rubbish.
Luke Ball wasn’t the difference between a GF win and loss that’s just myth peddled by those looking to blame it all on Lyon - make no mistake Lyons owns some blame (I agree he ought to have blooded kids through the year over Robert Eddy types) but to suggest Luke Ball (who by that stage couldn’t kick over a jam tin or run out of sight on dark night) as the difference is nonsense
Our biggest mistake with Luke Ball was not drafting Judd or Hodge .....we did it again with Billing’s over Bont or McCartim over Petracca ....only ourselves to blame

[skeptic]

Can’t say I agree with you there

Any argument that our management of the situation with Ball from half time in the 09 GF to full time a year later was anything but a shambles by us…
Doesn’t track IMO

I don’t know how anyone including yourself can’t acknowledge it as an example of poor coaching

[saynta]

Looking at our GFs under Lyon, I would say we lost because some of our more highly rated players didn't perform on the day that counted for whatever reason.

The second half from Ball in 09 was pretty useless.

Probably matters less if we did what we were supposed to in the first half...

If a coach wants a player on the list and if the coach thinks that the player has what it takes to win you a final then who is ultimately responsible when that player fails?

If they did what they were supposed to do maybe St Kilda wins it’s second flag in 2009

And let’s be specific here. I’m talking about Milne and Schneider. Two blokes that Lyon wanted in his team

Ball had what it took to win in the dying minutes of a cut throat prelim final. He proved it in 2011 when he got Collingwood into a Grand Final. Lyon is a turd and a poor judge of footballers. Maybe just a poor judge of people too

Spot on re ball. They replayed that footage on 360 last night.

The Tosser Flosser's treatment of Ball, a former club captain, was appalling and in my mind unforgivable.

And then for the known liar to say that he simply forgot that Ball was on the bench shows what sort of man he is.

[Josh Battle]

So if a coach wants a player on the list
The player fails to deliver
It’s all the coaches fault
The player has no responsibility to do his part - often the basics like kick a goal from inside the goal square ? (see Schneider 09)
Sorry that’s just absolute rubbish.

Sometimes you completely ignore the big picture even though you often post in threads and discussions with the big picture in mind

The selection of one bloke over another is made years and months before the actual event occurs (see Grand Final 09)

Lyon was the one who wanted to bring in Schneider from another club. Lyon also chose to retain Milne for St Kilda after he failed in his early finals and there was discussions to trade or delist Milney when Lyon was first appointed.

Yes they were both good players (Milney deserves to be considered as one of the best small forwards of his era - so he’ll always be a ‘great’ player and a champion of our club) but perhaps their failures in that Grand Final were justification for people who saw flaws in their game (or maybe their personality) and their ability to deliver in crunch moments.

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t continually blame the players for missing a goal or two and then absolutely absolve Ross Lyon of all responsibility for their selection. Anyhow, the team failed to score a goal in the last quarter in 09 - that’s a coaching issue

[samoht]

Lyon started off with a clean slate .. he had some early success with strong lists and a good game plan that had not yet been picked apart.
Verdict 8/10 early on.

But, if we judge things objectively and with the fullness of time - which is the only way to properly judge things:

He didn't evolve his game plan as other coaches started to pick it apart, and he didn't adequately develop or give chances to young players, either totally ignored and frustrated them, like Tom Lynch, or he gave up on them before even trying, played favourites and recruited recycled list-cloggers from other clubs for the short term or tough "role players," instead of giving better up and coming youngsters like Armitage, Tom Lynch and Jack Steven a go.

Verdict: 8/10 early on, when his flaws were not evident and he benefited from a strong group of A graders.

Overall: He really is a 4/10 coach whose ego got in the way of him being a better-than-average coach.

[takeaway]

Lyon started off with a clean slate .. he had some early success with strong lists and a good game plan that had not yet been picked apart.
Verdict 8/10 early on.

But, if we judge things objectively and with the fullness of time - which is the only way to properly judge things:

He didn't evolve his game plan as other coaches started to pick it apart, and he didn't adequately develop or give chances to young players, either totally ignored and frustrated them, like Tom Lynch, or he gave up on them before even trying, played favourites and recruiting recycled list-cloggers from other clubs for the short term or tough "role players," instead of giving better up and coming youngsters like Armitage, Tom Lynch and Jack Steven a go.

Verdict: 8/10 early on, when his flaws were not evident and he benefited from a strong group of A graders.

Overall: He really is a 4/10 coach whose ego got in the way of him being a better-than-average coach.

So 2 of the biggest clubs in the AFL recently sought out a 4/10 coach, in fact from all reports he was 2nd choice behind Clarko? What were they thinking?. Doesn't say much about the standard of the other coaches either, based on your rating.

[Wayne42]

Lyon started off with a clean slate .. he had some early success with strong lists and a good game plan that had not yet been picked apart.
Verdict 8/10 early on.

But, if we judge things objectively and with the fullness of time - which is the only way to properly judge things:

He didn't evolve his game plan as other coaches started to pick it apart, and he didn't adequately develop or give chances to young players, either totally ignored and frustrated them, like Tom Lynch, or he gave up on them before even trying, played favourites and recruiting recycled list-cloggers from other clubs for the short term or tough "role players," instead of giving better up and coming youngsters like Armitage, Tom Lynch and Jack Steven a go.

Verdict: 8/10 early on, when his flaws were not evident and he benefited from a strong group of A graders.

Overall: He really is a 4/10 coach whose ego got in the way of him being a better-than-average coach.

So 2 of the biggest clubs in the AFL recently sought out a 4/10 coach, in fact from all reports he was 2nd choice behind Clarko? What were they thinking?. Doesn't say much about the standard of the other coaches either, based on your rating.

From all reports Collingwood had no interest in Lyin nor he they, and, i wouldn't be using a basket case like Carlton as a yardstick for someone's worth, that club is a mess.

The brownbaggers will end up with another coach on training wheels.

Maybe Ross should get a part time job as a development coach, they way he might just get a grasp on the concept.

[samoht]

Lyon is a below-average coach who ended up plumbing the depths (what was his W/l percentage and where was it tracking at the end of his stints at St Kilda and Freo?).
There are no second prizes.

Even Carlton will more than likely end up going with an untried coach with a fresh set of ideas, if they have to, ahead of Lyon.

You're only as good as your last gig.

[takeaway]

Lyon started off with a clean slate .. he had some early success with strong lists and a good game plan that had not yet been picked apart.
Verdict 8/10 early on.

But, if we judge things objectively and with the fullness of time - which is the only way to properly judge things:

He didn't evolve his game plan as other coaches started to pick it apart, and he didn't adequately develop or give chances to young players, either totally ignored and frustrated them, like Tom Lynch, or he gave up on them before even trying, played favourites and recruiting recycled list-cloggers from other clubs for the short term or tough "role players," instead of giving better up and coming youngsters like Armitage, Tom Lynch and Jack Steven a go.

Verdict: 8/10 early on, when his flaws were not evident and he benefited from a strong group of A graders.

Overall: He really is a 4/10 coach whose ego got in the way of him being a better-than-average coach.

So 2 of the biggest clubs in the AFL recently sought out a 4/10 coach, in fact from all reports he was 2nd choice behind Clarko? What were they thinking?. Doesn't say much about the standard of the other coaches either, based on your rating.

From all reports Collingwood had no interest in Lyin nor he they, and, i wouldn't be using a basket case like Carlton as a yardstick for someone's worth, that club is a mess.

The brownbaggers will end up with another coach on training wheels.

Maybe Ross should get a part time job as a development coach, they way he might just get a grasp on the concept.

Plenty of reports stating Collingwood contacted RL re coaching position, but he declined. Google it. I think I would prefer to go on the preferences of major AFL clubs and their resources in the industry rather than some biased footy supporters.

[Wayne42]

Lyon started off with a clean slate .. he had some early success with strong lists and a good game plan that had not yet been picked apart.
Verdict 8/10 early on.

But, if we judge things objectively and with the fullness of time - which is the only way to properly judge things:

He didn't evolve his game plan as other coaches started to pick it apart, and he didn't adequately develop or give chances to young players, either totally ignored and frustrated them, like Tom Lynch, or he gave up on them before even trying, played favourites and recruiting recycled list-cloggers from other clubs for the short term or tough "role players," instead of giving better up and coming youngsters like Armitage, Tom Lynch and Jack Steven a go.

Verdict: 8/10 early on, when his flaws were not evident and he benefited from a strong group of A graders.

Overall: He really is a 4/10 coach whose ego got in the way of him being a better-than-average coach.

So 2 of the biggest clubs in the AFL recently sought out a 4/10 coach, in fact from all reports he was 2nd choice behind Clarko? What were they thinking?. Doesn't say much about the standard of the other coaches either, based on your rating.

From all reports Collingwood had no interest in Lyin nor he they, and, i wouldn't be using a basket case like Carlton as a yardstick for someone's worth, that club is a mess.

The brownbaggers will end up with another coach on training wheels.

Maybe Ross should get a part time job as a development coach, they way he might just get a grasp on the concept.

Plenty of reports stating Collingwood contacted RL re coaching position, but he declined. Google it. I think I would prefer to go on the preferences of major AFL clubs and their resources in the industry rather than some biased footy supporters.

Good for you. No contact was made from either party or so says Google.

Collingwood GM of Football Graham Wright admits he didn’t pursue a chat with Ross Lyon as he made it “pretty clear” that he wasn’t interested in the vacant position.

Lyon told Channel Nine’s Footy Classified last week that he wasn’t interested in the Magpies senior coaching job, and while Wright reached out for his number, he didn’t proceed with a conversation.
“I had reached out for his number, but we didn’t actually hook up.

“I didn’t actually speak to him one-on-one, but I think Ross had made it pretty clear … and that’s fair enough as well.”

[samoht]

biased or realistic?

Collingwood or Carlton may end up recruiting Lyon for a year while they keep their options open, who knows.
He usually doesn't end up damaging the teams he coaches until his 3rd or 4th year

[saynta]

Lyon started off with a clean slate .. he had some early success with strong lists and a good game plan that had not yet been picked apart.
Verdict 8/10 early on.

But, if we judge things objectively and with the fullness of time - which is the only way to properly judge things:

He didn't evolve his game plan as other coaches started to pick it apart, and he didn't adequately develop or give chances to young players, either totally ignored and frustrated them, like Tom Lynch, or he gave up on them before even trying, played favourites and recruiting recycled list-cloggers from other clubs for the short term or tough "role players," instead of giving better up and coming youngsters like Armitage, Tom Lynch and Jack Steven a go.

Verdict: 8/10 early on, when his flaws were not evident and he benefited from a strong group of A graders.

Overall: He really is a 4/10 coach whose ego got in the way of him being a better-than-average coach.

So 2 of the biggest clubs in the AFL recently sought out a 4/10 coach, in fact from all reports he was 2nd choice behind Clarko? What were they thinking?. Doesn't say much about the standard of the other coaches either, based on your rating.

From all reports Collingwood had no interest in Lyin nor he they, and, i wouldn't be using a basket case like Carlton as a yardstick for someone's worth, that club is a mess.

The brownbaggers will end up with another coach on training wheels.

Maybe Ross should get a part time job as a development coach, they way he might just get a grasp on the concept.

Plenty of reports stating Collingwood contacted RL re coaching position, but he declined. Google it. I think I would prefer to go on the preferences of major AFL clubs and their resources in the industry rather than some biased footy supporters.

Sure he declined being interviewed for the filth job. He saw that Luke Ball was on the selection committee and so he knew he had no chance.
Same with the brown baggers job,with two there on the selection committee who were not going to give him the job.
Lyin is no fool, and he has rat cunning so knew he was no go for either job. Saved face and withdrew.

[takeaway]

Lyon started off with a clean slate .. he had some early success with strong lists and a good game plan that had not yet been picked apart.
Verdict 8/10 early on.

But, if we judge things objectively and with the fullness of time - which is the only way to properly judge things:

He didn't evolve his game plan as other coaches started to pick it apart, and he didn't adequately develop or give chances to young players, either totally ignored and frustrated them, like Tom Lynch, or he gave up on them before even trying, played favourites and recruiting recycled list-cloggers from other clubs for the short term or tough "role players," instead of giving better up and coming youngsters like Armitage, Tom Lynch and Jack Steven a go.

Verdict: 8/10 early on, when his flaws were not evident and he benefited from a strong group of A graders.

Overall: He really is a 4/10 coach whose ego got in the way of him being a better-than-average coach.

So 2 of the biggest clubs in the AFL recently sought out a 4/10 coach, in fact from all reports he was 2nd choice behind Clarko? What were they thinking?. Doesn't say much about the standard of the other coaches either, based on your rating.

From all reports Collingwood had no interest in Lyin nor he they, and, i wouldn't be using a basket case like Carlton as a yardstick for someone's worth, that club is a mess.

The brownbaggers will end up with another coach on training wheels.

Maybe Ross should get a part time job as a development coach, they way he might just get a grasp on the concept.

Plenty of reports stating Collingwood contacted RL re coaching position, but he declined. Google it. I think I would prefer to go on the preferences of major AFL clubs and their resources in the industry rather than some biased footy supporters.

Good for you. No contact was made from either party or so says Google.

Collingwood GM of Football Graham Wright admits he didn’t pursue a chat with Ross Lyon as he made it “pretty clear” that he wasn’t interested in the vacant position.

Lyon told Channel Nine’s Footy Classified last week that he wasn’t interested in the Magpies senior coaching job, and while Wright reached out for his number, he didn’t proceed with a conversation.
“I had reached out for his number, but we didn’t actually hook up.

“I didn’t actually speak to him one-on-one, but I think Ross had made it pretty clear … and that’s fair enough as well.”

It was all done through a 3rd party, as clearly stated in various articles. But his interest WAS sought, contrary to your earlier post. Good that you are checking it out though, AFL clubs do know a fair bit more than the average punter.

[samoht]

The average punter would have given the talented up-and-coming kids such as Lynch, Armo and Steven a go ahead of Eddy and McQualter, if they had their way.

[takeaway]

Lyon started off with a clean slate .. he had some early success with strong lists and a good game plan that had not yet been picked apart.
Verdict 8/10 early on.

But, if we judge things objectively and with the fullness of time - which is the only way to properly judge things:

He didn't evolve his game plan as other coaches started to pick it apart, and he didn't adequately develop or give chances to young players, either totally ignored and frustrated them, like Tom Lynch, or he gave up on them before even trying, played favourites and recruiting recycled list-cloggers from other clubs for the short term or tough "role players," instead of giving better up and coming youngsters like Armitage, Tom Lynch and Jack Steven a go.

Verdict: 8/10 early on, when his flaws were not evident and he benefited from a strong group of A graders.

Overall: He really is a 4/10 coach whose ego got in the way of him being a better-than-average coach.

So 2 of the biggest clubs in the AFL recently sought out a 4/10 coach, in fact from all reports he was 2nd choice behind Clarko? What were they thinking?. Doesn't say much about the standard of the other coaches either, based on your rating.

From all reports Collingwood had no interest in Lyin nor he they, and, i wouldn't be using a basket case like Carlton as a yardstick for someone's worth, that club is a mess.

The brownbaggers will end up with another coach on training wheels.

Maybe Ross should get a part time job as a development coach, they way he might just get a grasp on the concept.

Plenty of reports stating Collingwood contacted RL re coaching position, but he declined. Google it. I think I would prefer to go on the preferences of major AFL clubs and their resources in the industry rather than some biased footy supporters.

Sure he declined being interviewed for the filth job. He saw that Luke Ball was on the selection committee and so he knew he had no chance.
Same with the brown baggers job,with two there on the selection committee who were not going to give him the job.
Lyin is no fool, and he has rat cunning so knew he was no go for either job. Saved face and withdrew.

You are entitled to your incorrect opinion with no facts to support it. The point is, the 2 clubs DID approach him as to whether he was interested, because he is still regarded as real Senior coach option. I have doubts whether he should have another go anyway, but clubs are still interested are they not?

[whiskers3614]

Lyon started off with a clean slate .. he had some early success with strong lists and a good game plan that had not yet been picked apart.
Verdict 8/10 early on.

But, if we judge things objectively and with the fullness of time - which is the only way to properly judge things:

He didn't evolve his game plan as other coaches started to pick it apart, and he didn't adequately develop or give chances to young players, either totally ignored and frustrated them, like Tom Lynch, or he gave up on them before even trying, played favourites and recruiting recycled list-cloggers from other clubs for the short term or tough "role players," instead of giving better up and coming youngsters like Armitage, Tom Lynch and Jack Steven a go.

Verdict: 8/10 early on, when his flaws were not evident and he benefited from a strong group of A graders.

Overall: He really is a 4/10 coach whose ego got in the way of him being a better-than-average coach.

So 2 of the biggest clubs in the AFL recently sought out a 4/10 coach, in fact from all reports he was 2nd choice behind Clarko? What were they thinking?. Doesn't say much about the standard of the other coaches either, based on your rating.

From all reports Collingwood had no interest in Lyin nor he they, and, i wouldn't be using a basket case like Carlton as a yardstick for someone's worth, that club is a mess.

The brownbaggers will end up with another coach on training wheels.

Maybe Ross should get a part time job as a development coach, they way he might just get a grasp on the concept.

Plenty of reports stating Collingwood contacted RL re coaching position, but he declined. Google it. I think I would prefer to go on the preferences of major AFL clubs and their resources in the industry rather than some biased footy supporters.

Sure he declined being interviewed for the filth job. He saw that Luke Ball was on the selection committee and so he knew he had no chance.
Same with the brown baggers job,with two there on the selection committee who were not going to give him the job.
Lyin is no fool, and he has rat cunning so knew he was no go for either job. Saved face and withdrew.

You are entitled to your incorrect opinion with no facts to support it. The point is, the 2 clubs DID approach him as to whether he was interested, because he is still regarded as real Senior coach option. I have doubts whether he should have another go anyway, but _{clubs are still interested are they not?}

Proves he's a good snake oil salesman just like Malthouse with Carlton!

[saynta]

Lyon started off with a clean slate .. he had some early success with strong lists and a good game plan that had not yet been picked apart.
Verdict 8/10 early on.

But, if we judge things objectively and with the fullness of time - which is the only way to properly judge things:

He didn't evolve his game plan as other coaches started to pick it apart, and he didn't adequately develop or give chances to young players, either totally ignored and frustrated them, like Tom Lynch, or he gave up on them before even trying, played favourites and recruiting recycled list-cloggers from other clubs for the short term or tough "role players," instead of giving better up and coming youngsters like Armitage, Tom Lynch and Jack Steven a go.

Verdict: 8/10 early on, when his flaws were not evident and he benefited from a strong group of A graders.

Overall: He really is a 4/10 coach whose ego got in the way of him being a better-than-average coach.

So 2 of the biggest clubs in the AFL recently sought out a 4/10 coach, in fact from all reports he was 2nd choice behind Clarko? What were they thinking?. Doesn't say much about the standard of the other coaches either, based on your rating.

From all reports Collingwood had no interest in Lyin nor he they, and, i wouldn't be using a basket case like Carlton as a yardstick for someone's worth, that club is a mess.

The brownbaggers will end up with another coach on training wheels.

Maybe Ross should get a part time job as a development coach, they way he might just get a grasp on the concept.

Plenty of reports stating Collingwood contacted RL re coaching position, but he declined. Google it. I think I would prefer to go on the preferences of major AFL clubs and their resources in the industry rather than some biased footy supporters.

Sure he declined being interviewed for the filth job. He saw that Luke Ball was on the selection committee and so he knew he had no chance.
Same with the brown baggers job,with two there on the selection committee who were not going to give him the job.
Lyin is no fool, and he has rat cunning so knew he was no go for either job. Saved face and withdrew.

You are entitled to your incorrect opinion with no facts to support it. The point is, the 2 clubs DID approach him as to whether he was interested, because he is still regarded as real Senior coach option. I have doubts whether he should have another go anyway, but clubs are still interested are they not?

He did speak to the Brown baggers president but on his own admission, Lyin rang him. The guy responsible at the filth said he got Lyin's phone number but never rang him. Neither club approached him and if Lyin claimed they did, why would you believe a proven liar anyway?

[Josh Battle]

I’m a proven career coach.

I’ve taken 2 teams all the way at 2 different clubs and I have an enviable win loss ratio

You can trust me….



But please don’t ask my former employers for character references or else I’m not interested

[skeptic]

When they did the first Survivor Allstars all the way back in the early 2000s, the winner of season 5 called then and said he’d only come back if they gave him a major pay cheque upfront

The story went for years that he was too expensive to bring back

More recently it was revealed that he had been a pain in the butt to deal with, attracted much negative publicity and had always been despised by the fans so they had never intended to call him

Regardless… technically he called them, set a price that they weren’t willing to pay and was not asked back

[Yorkeys]

Who am I from these quotes:

Liam Pickering (Agent) "grubby"

GC President Cochrane "..failed coach"

Patrick Smith (who actually likes me) "...coach without honours."

Footology: "Yet ... his teams were found lacking in the not-too-small realm of consistently putting points on the board. While sure, he took teams through to September in eight of his 13 seasons as coach, there’s a massive gap on his resume where curating modern offence is concerned, despite having immense talent at both St Kilda and Fremantle."

Ed Langdon (GF player): "I’ve come from five years of the Ross Lyon method, so it’s absolutely a nice change...."

Courier Mail "....Neale had a falling out with coach Ross Lyon and that he had grown frustrated with the lack of professionalism from a group of his teammates."

"We're certainly aiming for a premiership and we don't shy away from that. Particularly at the end of this tenure, I'll have no excuse to not have achieved that, because we're fully resourced."

"I sit here very comfortable with my integrity and my honour." – after defecting from St Kilda to join Fremantle in 2011.

"I'll let the cobblers do the cobbling."

"I don't flush anything down the toilet." (debatable given # losing GFs)

[Wayne42]

Lyon started off with a clean slate .. he had some early success with strong lists and a good game plan that had not yet been picked apart.
Verdict 8/10 early on.

But, if we judge things objectively and with the fullness of time - which is the only way to properly judge things:

He didn't evolve his game plan as other coaches started to pick it apart, and he didn't adequately develop or give chances to young players, either totally ignored and frustrated them, like Tom Lynch, or he gave up on them before even trying, played favourites and recruiting recycled list-cloggers from other clubs for the short term or tough "role players," instead of giving better up and coming youngsters like Armitage, Tom Lynch and Jack Steven a go.

Verdict: 8/10 early on, when his flaws were not evident and he benefited from a strong group of A graders.

Overall: He really is a 4/10 coach whose ego got in the way of him being a better-than-average coach.

So 2 of the biggest clubs in the AFL recently sought out a 4/10 coach, in fact from all reports he was 2nd choice behind Clarko? What were they thinking?. Doesn't say much about the standard of the other coaches either, based on your rating.

From all reports Collingwood had no interest in Lyin nor he they, and, i wouldn't be using a basket case like Carlton as a yardstick for someone's worth, that club is a mess.

The brownbaggers will end up with another coach on training wheels.

Maybe Ross should get a part time job as a development coach, they way he might just get a grasp on the concept.

Plenty of reports stating Collingwood contacted RL re coaching position, but he declined. Google it. I think I would prefer to go on the preferences of major AFL clubs and their resources in the industry rather than some biased footy supporters.

Good for you. No contact was made from either party or so says Google.

Collingwood GM of Football Graham Wright admits he didn’t pursue a chat with Ross Lyon as he made it “pretty clear” that he wasn’t interested in the vacant position.

Lyon told Channel Nine’s Footy Classified last week that he wasn’t interested in the Magpies senior coaching job, and while Wright reached out for his number, he didn’t proceed with a conversation.
“I had reached out for his number, but we didn’t actually hook up.

“I didn’t actually speak to him one-on-one, but I think Ross had made it pretty clear … and that’s fair enough as well.”

It was all done through a 3rd party, as clearly stated in various articles. But his interest WAS sought, contrary to your earlier post. Good that you are checking it out though, AFL clubs do know a fair bit more than the average punter.

The various articles Clearly state that Lyin and the Pies didn't communicate, unlike the brown baggers and Lyin who did communicate and after their last communication Lyin ran for the hills.
He was concerned about his past, he was hoping they'd let the river flow and just appoint him, the only questions he wanted asked were how long do you want and how much per year.
Who knows what Sayers promised him initially only to overruled by the altered Carlton Board.

[skeptic]

Out of interest…

How many here would have RL back?

Say Ratten washes out next year, who would vote for RL to reassume the mantle?

[Wayne42]

No from me, the club now wants to focus more on player development, under Lyon that focus would be elsewhere.

[sunsaint]

Out of interest…

How many here would have RL back?

Say Ratten washes out next year, who would vote for RL to reassume the mantle?

says skeptic - lighting the fuse & tossing it into the forum room