Finals. AFL. 2021

[desertsaint]

23 to 11 in the doggies favour after quarter time. blind freddy can see the dogs get the rub of the green in almost every single game. we can argue over why, personally i agree with scollop, but it is a completely unacceptable bias - involuntary of course, umps are only human after all. it's also been going on longer than bevo, so there is other psychology at work, but has certainly increased under him. the main blame lies with the afl - they need to make it a fulltime profession. attract a higher standard of umpiring. and make them more accountable just like the players.

[CQ SAINT]

Teams losing cause they don't always take there opportunities has always been a thing too.

[Sainter_Dad]

Teams losing cause they don't always take there opportunities has always been a thing too.

Agreed - but the discussion of Umpires Influence v Players Ineptitude are not mutually exclusive

[CQ SAINT]

Teams losing cause they don't always take there opportunities has always been a thing too.

Agreed - but the discussion of Umpires Influence v Players Ineptitude are not mutually exclusive

I havent looked at the stats, but I'd just assume that teams who best apply skill to maintain possession, have the most contested ball winners and hold their structure are most likely to be infringed upon.

Is it the Bulldogs and Geelong at the top of the free kick ladder?

[The_Dud]

Teams losing cause they don't always take there opportunities has always been a thing too.

2 shots at goal that ended up out-on-the-full in the last quarter proved costly in the end.

Also, Richmond won 3 premierships while being around or at the bottom of the ‘free kick ladder’, so…

[Banger9798]

Teams losing cause they don't always take there opportunities has always been a thing too.

Agreed - but the discussion of Umpires Influence v Players Ineptitude are not mutually exclusive

I havent looked at the stats, but I'd just assume that teams who best apply skill to maintain possession, have the most contested ball winners and hold their structure are most likely to be infringed upon.

Is it the Bulldogs and Geelong at the top of the free kick ladder?

Dogs first

Daylight

Geelong

Every other team

Daylight

StKilda

Daylight

Richmond ( the kings of professional fouls)

[The_Dud]

And if it makes anyone feel better, Port are going to flog them next week anyway so we won’t have to watch them for much longer!

Fingers (and everything else) crossed Melbourne beat Geelong!

[SaintPav]

OK, be stubborn. Disregard all the evidence that points to umpire bias.

Keep thinking that they are not human and they will not favour certain players

Argue with an ump and see how far it gets you

Show disrespect or anger or be a smartarse and continually backchat the umps and see how far it gets you

Surely it’s simple if it’s a free pay it.

If it’s not it’s play on. If a umpire sees a WB player drop the ball and he thinks he never remonstrates I will allow it. It’s cheating.

Cheating or human error?

[CURLY]

OK, be stubborn. Disregard all the evidence that points to umpire bias.

Keep thinking that they are not human and they will not favour certain players

Argue with an ump and see how far it gets you

Show disrespect or anger or be a smartarse and continually backchat the umps and see how far it gets you

Surely it’s simple if it’s a free pay it.

If it’s not it’s play on. If a umpire sees a WB player drop the ball and he thinks he never remonstrates I will allow it. It’s cheating.

Cheating or human error?

Can’t be that bad there way so often.

[CURLY]

OK, be stubborn. Disregard all the evidence that points to umpire bias.

Keep thinking that they are not human and they will not favour certain players

Argue with an ump and see how far it gets you

Show disrespect or anger or be a smartarse and continually backchat the umps and see how far it gets you

Surely it’s simple if it’s a free pay it.

If it’s not it’s play on. If a umpire sees a WB player drop the ball and he thinks he never remonstrates I will allow it. It’s cheating.

Cheating or human error?

Can’t be that bad there way so often.

[Scollop]

And if it makes anyone feel better, Port are going to flog them next week anyway so we won’t have to watch them for much longer!

Fingers (and everything else) crossed Melbourne beat Geelong!

Let's hope so

Can't stand the Cats coach and his arrogant captain...or

their flog supporters

[saynta]

The umpiring was ok?

Yeah, right.

One of the worst cases of maggot bias that I have seen all year.

And I thought that only the saints got reamed by those guys.

[saynta]

While we are observing:
I think Dan McKenzie got a bad rap by some (coaching staff?) after being put on Cameron and Betts by Richo a few seasons ago. Cameron is highly skilled quick silver and Betts was very handy at the time. Not sure how Easton Wood quietened Charlie after quarter time, perhaps team coaching (?). Anyway Wood is a star, if aging, and Cameron just made him look pedestrian early.

I think we are good enough to put up respectable performances against this years #4 - #8 teams - conveniently ignoring the floggings we got from Essendon and Doggies when we were off our tucker - but need a couple more elements to be serious contenders (doh!), like a never give up/give in ruthless spirit and as we all know another athletic tall defender and back up ruck.

As much as I admire Brad Hill's skills I find it hard to see us winning a final with him playing half back. The successful teams have really hard nuts in those positions and they are very skilled as well.

Beverage is just about best coach going around (?) E.g. see how Schache has become a footballer under his coaching and Doggies can still win a game after being dominated in the ruck contests by a team with Neale and Zorko in the square.

Daniher isn't much chop in tough games. Fair/unfair?

Wow of a game.

Not unfair at all.He is an extremely overrated footballer. The most overrated in the competition. IMHO,

[Sainter_Dad]

While we are observing:
I think Dan McKenzie got a bad rap by some (coaching staff?) after being put on Cameron and Betts by Richo a few seasons ago. Cameron is highly skilled quick silver and Betts was very handy at the time. Not sure how Easton Wood quietened Charlie after quarter time, perhaps team coaching (?). Anyway Wood is a star, if aging, and Cameron just made him look pedestrian early.

I think we are good enough to put up respectable performances against this years #4 - #8 teams - conveniently ignoring the floggings we got from Essendon and Doggies when we were off our tucker - but need a couple more elements to be serious contenders (doh!), like a never give up/give in ruthless spirit and as we all know another athletic tall defender and back up ruck.

As much as I admire Brad Hill's skills I find it hard to see us winning a final with him playing half back. The successful teams have really hard nuts in those positions and they are very skilled as well.

Beverage is just about best coach going around (?) E.g. see how Schache has become a footballer under his coaching and Doggies can still win a game after being dominated in the ruck contests by a team with Neale and Zorko in the square.

Daniher isn't much chop in tough games. Fair/unfair?

Wow of a game.

Not unfair at all.He is an extremely overrated footballer. The most overrated in the competition. IMHO,

Daniher is apparently "enjoying" his football

Maybe like you and I at the park on a weekend???

[wally]

As far as umpiring goes I found this year to be a lot more inconsistent than ever Holding the ball/ dropping the ball, Head high - ducking. Push in the back then there’s ruck infringement Anyone’s guess

[saynta]

While we are observing:
I think Dan McKenzie got a bad rap by some (coaching staff?) after being put on Cameron and Betts by Richo a few seasons ago. Cameron is highly skilled quick silver and Betts was very handy at the time. Not sure how Easton Wood quietened Charlie after quarter time, perhaps team coaching (?). Anyway Wood is a star, if aging, and Cameron just made him look pedestrian early.

I think we are good enough to put up respectable performances against this years #4 - #8 teams - conveniently ignoring the floggings we got from Essendon and Doggies when we were off our tucker - but need a couple more elements to be serious contenders (doh!), like a never give up/give in ruthless spirit and as we all know another athletic tall defender and back up ruck.

As much as I admire Brad Hill's skills I find it hard to see us winning a final with him playing half back. The successful teams have really hard nuts in those positions and they are very skilled as well.

Beverage is just about best coach going around (?) E.g. see how Schache has become a footballer under his coaching and Doggies can still win a game after being dominated in the ruck contests by a team with Neale and Zorko in the square.

Daniher isn't much chop in tough games. Fair/unfair?

Wow of a game.

Not unfair at all.He is an extremely overrated footballer. The most overrated in the competition. IMHO,

Daniher is apparently "enjoying" his football

Maybe like you and I at the park on a weekend???

[Bruce G McAbee]

May may have done his hamstring.

[Banger9798]

Looking at the size of Rhys Stanley now, and remembering how skinny he was when he started, I look forward to what Max will look like when he's 24

[The_Dud]

Gawn doesn’t go too bad

[The_Dud]

Looks like we won’t have to put up with Geelong for much longer

[Bruce G McAbee]

Gary Rohan hasn't touched it with 8 minutes to go in the 1st half.

[Banger9798]

Such a relief we didn't draft that hack Petracca

[Vortex]

May is a big loss but the Dees look very good. As long as they don't do a StKilda the cup is theirs for the taking because their list looks to bat really deep for quality on every line.

[Mr Magic]

May may have done his hamstring.

Looked like it happened when Hawkins pushed him in the back in a marking contest.
Only 3 people didn’t see the push.

[Waltzing St Kilda]

Such a relief we didn't draft that hack Petracca

Showed no signs of humility or loyalty, apparently.

Just signed a 7-year deal with the Dees.