Hayden McLean

[st.rod]

Absolutely perfect for us. Has played at Sandy. Can play forward and relieve in ruck. Good mark and reasonably accurate in front of goal. Only 22 yo. We are apparently interested and Swans have little salary cap space. Maybe could play CHB too! Go for it Sainters go for it. Sorry if previoulsy posted.

[Impatient Sainter]

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/18/ ... wans-tall/

Sounds like a good option. You have to wonder WTF was going on with our recruitment when he was right under our eyes at Sandringham?

Include McLean 197 forward/ruckman and Sam Skinner 197cm key defender from South Adelaide and we have our depth covered.

[Vortex]

Absolutely perfect for us. Has played at Sandy. Can play forward and relieve in ruck. Good mark and reasonably accurate in front of goal. Only 22 yo. We are apparently interested and Swans have little salary cap space. Maybe could play CHB too! Go for it Sainters go for it. Sorry if previoulsy posted.

Excuse my concern Hayden, but when you say "reasonably accurate in front of goal", what do the percentages say?

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[B.M]

Has he been that good

To be undersized, you need to be extremely athletic - is he

He’s a bit meh for me

197cm
Forward Ruck Fringe AFL player

[terry smith rules]

Absolutely perfect for us. Has played at Sandy. Can play forward and relieve in ruck. Good mark and reasonably accurate in front of goal. Only 22 yo. We are apparently interested and Swans have little salary cap space. Maybe could play CHB too! Go for it Sainters go for it. Sorry if previoulsy posted.

Excuse my concern Hayden, but when you say "reasonably accurate in front of goal", what do the percentages say?

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This year 64% (rated above average)

[terry smith rules]

Has he been that good

To be undersized, you need to be extremely athletic - is he

He’s a bit meh for me

197cm
Forward Ruck Fringe AFL player

Have you watched him play?

I see a lot of Swans games and this guy has so much potential.

Unfortunately for him gets selected usually only when Buddy out. So hard to build consistency

Earlier this year when he strung some games together scored 108 AFL fantasy points v Collingwood (a huge score for a young forward)

Would take him in a heart beat

[Impatient Sainter]

Lets remember he is a forward/ruckman and is taller than most backup rucks. if he can play forward and give Marshall a chop out he is the perfect foil.

[wally]

It was reported we went hard for Draper from Ess. A couple of years ago before he had played a game I think they resigned him quickly so maybe they are onto something

[Vortex]

Absolutely perfect for us. Has played at Sandy. Can play forward and relieve in ruck. Good mark and reasonably accurate in front of goal. Only 22 yo. We are apparently interested and Swans have little salary cap space. Maybe could play CHB too! Go for it Sainters go for it. Sorry if previoulsy posted.

Excuse my concern Hayden, but when you say "reasonably accurate in front of goal", what do the percentages say?

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This year 64% (rated above average)

Would you say that is a VFL benchmark? And what is the potential to develop to AFL standards? What is considered above average for a tall forwards conversion rate in the AFL?

[bigcarl]

Absolutely perfect for us. Has played at Sandy. Can play forward and relieve in ruck. Good mark and reasonably accurate in front of goal. Only 22 yo. We are apparently interested and Swans have little salary cap space. Maybe could play CHB too! Go for it Sainters go for it. Sorry if previoulsy posted.

Certainly sounds like the TYPE we need. I haven’t seen him play though, so that’s about as much as I can contribute.

[outside66]

Absolutely perfect for us. Has played at Sandy. Can play forward and relieve in ruck. Good mark and reasonably accurate in front of goal. Only 22 yo. We are apparently interested and Swans have little salary cap space. Maybe could play CHB too! Go for it Sainters go for it. Sorry if previoulsy posted.

Excuse my concern Hayden, but when you say "reasonably accurate in front of goal", what do the percentages say?

I

This year 64% (rated above average)

Would you say that is a VFL benchmark? And what is the potential to develop to AFL standards? What is considered above average for a tall forwards conversion rate in the AFL?

above average for key forwards in the AFL re goal accuracy is 58% and above according to afl.com.au

FWIW St Kilda don't have any tall forwards with above average accuracy for goal kicking this year (no surprises really)

[Wayne42]

I would think Sydney would keep McLean on it's list and dump the past it, injury prone Sam Reid.

Just because Sydney has yet to re-sign McLean doesn't mean they don't want him, they probably want to sort
out Parker first.

But, if they prefer Amartey then get McLean, better than anyone else we have at 197cm.

[saynta]

It was reported we went hard for Draper from Ess. A couple of years ago before he had played a game I think they resigned him quickly so maybe they are onto something

Rising star winner

[kosifantutti]

The year that Sydney picked up McLean, we let Hickey go. I’m not sure if Alabakis was meant to be a replacement but it hasn’t really worked out.

[B.M]

Just had a look at his numbers as a mature age pick up from Sandy

3 years
20 games
8.4 disposals
3.7 marks
3.0 clangers
0.7 goals
4.0 hit outs

What part of that is promising??

[terry smith rules]

Just had a look at his numbers as a mature age pick up from Sandy

3 years
20 games
8.4 disposals
3.7 marks
3.0 clangers
0.7 goals
4.0 hit outs

What part of that is promising??

Again have you actually watched any of his games?

Secondly recruited at age 19 and now 22, what part of that is mature

Compare his figures with Oscar Allen (not much difference) and I’m sure we’d snap him up

[Sanctorum]

I would think Sydney would keep McLean on it's list and dump the past it, injury prone Sam Reid.

Just because Sydney has yet to re-sign McLean doesn't mean they don't want him, they probably want to sort
out Parker first.

But, if they prefer Amartey then get McLean, better than anyone else we have at 197cm.

The fact that St Kilda's interest in McLean is raised in the media suggests that it has the potential to happen, I assume he could get a better offer from the Saints, plus the "go home and play in front of my family and mates" factor.

Correct me if I'm wrong but are uncontracted players free to go where they want, can Sydney refuse to let him go, I thought not??

[B.M]

Of course I’ve watched him play. Watched him for a season at Sandy, then seen him play at Sydney, nothing special.

If he was good, he’d have better numbers.

Don’t rate undersized ruckmen or less than a goal per game forwards. Unless they have athletic abilities that make up for their lack of size - Like Ryder

[Zed]

22 years of age - our recent track record of recruiting Wilkie, Highmore, Sharman at similar ages suggests he is worth a look.
If he can help give Marshall a rest during a game then sounds like a good backup (what they tried to do with McKernan this year i suspect)
unfortunately I doubt Paddy plays more than half the games next year - becoming ever more susceptible to injury.
Ideally need to find 1 more almost ready to go backup ruckman with Hunter and Alabakis both unlikely to be at the club next year.

[Impatient Sainter]

Of course I’ve watched him play. Watched him for a season at Sandy, then seen him play at Sydney, nothing special.

If he was good, he’d have better numbers.

Don’t rate undersized ruckmen or less than a goal per game forwards. Unless they have athletic abilities that make up for their lack of size - Like Ryder

BM stop being such an obstructionist.

He is still a kid as far as talls go - 1 year older than King. Anyone has got to be an update on Hunter & McKernan and he wouldnt cost too much as a trade. Other players like Coleman-Jones Richmond would want a 1st rounder for, so I think McLean would be an astute pickup.

[B.M]

Do I have to rate him because we are looking at picking him up?

We’ve picked up Hunter, McKernan, Abbott and a bit of other junk as well in recent years.

And some good pick ups too - Ryder, Crouch, Jones, Butler - but they aren’t perfect.

Long, Battle and Coffield seem to have weaknesses in their game which sees them struggling sometimes at senior level

Don’t rate young Allison

Rate Highmore

Rate Sharman

Jury out for me on Connolly, Byrnes, Bytel
Still young, have attributes but areas of concern.

[saynta]

Don't rate Allison? He is still just a boy. Thankfully the club still holds out promise for him.

[Impatient Sainter]

I agree with BM on Allison he is a highly skeptical choice, but he was starting to show some improvement in his latter games. At 18 a tall skinny kid needs some time to develop.

What he does have is he can run, is quick and is a very good kick. I'm not sure if hell ever have the frame or marking game to be a KPP? But give him a year or two before writing him off.

[ace]

I agree with BM on Allison he is a highly skeptical choice, but he was starting to show some improvement in his latter games. At 18 a tall skinny kid needs some time to develop.

What he does have is he can run, is quick and is a very good kick. I'm not sure if hell ever have the frame or marking game to be a KPP? But give him a year or two before writing him off.

We gave up on our Tom Lynch too soon.
Adelaide made good use of him.
Don't repeat the same mistake.

[saynta]

I agree with BM on Allison he is a highly skeptical choice, but he was starting to show some improvement in his latter games. At 18 a tall skinny kid needs some time to develop.

What he does have is he can run, is quick and is a very good kick. I'm not sure if hell ever have the frame or marking game to be a KPP? But give him a year or two before writing him off.

We write our players off too quickly on this site and denigrate our champions. Been going on for years but it has got worse in the past two years. A shame really.