Trade-Draft 2021 Discussion

[sunsaint]

You are kidding surely Curly? Longer was the laziest footballer ever to pull on a Saints jumper, he made Capuano look good. Brisbane must have been laughing when they off loaded him.

Ryder is the best ruckman we have had since Gardiner!

I often think Curly is the most hilarious person on the board - funny like that Loaded Dog tale by Lawson
For a top ten pick draft pick poor billy was disappointing - I wonder what he is doing nowadays

[saynta]

You are kidding surely Curly? Longer was the laziest footballer ever to pull on a Saints jumper, he made Capuano look good. Brisbane must have been laughing when they off loaded him.

Ryder is the best ruckman we have had since Gardiner!

I often think Curly is the most hilarious person on the board - funny like that Loaded Dog tale by Lawson
For a top ten pick draft pick poor billy was disappointing - I wonder what he is doing nowadays

Concussion f***ed him, not lack of footy ability.

[Impatient Sainter]

You are kidding surely Curly? Longer was the laziest footballer ever to pull on a Saints jumper, he made Capuano look good. Brisbane must have been laughing when they off loaded him.

Ryder is the best ruckman we have had since Gardiner!

I often think Curly is the most hilarious person on the board - funny like that Loaded Dog tale by Lawson
For a top ten pick draft pick poor billy was disappointing - I wonder what he is doing nowadays

Concussion f***ed him, not lack of footy ability.

He was on the outer well before his concussion - which you should recall occurred playing in the VFL. He simply didnt apply himself with any professionalism.

[B.M]

How four you know his level of professionalism?

[The Recruit]

Smoked darts the whole time he played for Saints

[Banger9798]

Smoked darts the whole time he played for Saints

Pretty loose unit in my experience:
I was witness to Gardiner and Stevie Lawrence mid season pissed out of their heads, at a StKilda bar.

Stevie was completely of his head and trying to start a fight, Gardiner couldn't even stand up to intervene.

[saintbob]

We need to be talking to Narkle’s manager and find out if he’s gettable.

[skeptic]

Have to imagine that if we get Bing...
That would signal the end for Battle

[Sanctorum]

For what it's worth, following is a complete list (E&OE) of all AFL players Free Agents, Restricted Free Agents or Out of Contact at the end of this season - it should be noted that there are quite a number of contracted players that are rumoured to be on the move, including Peter Ladhams 202 cm Port Adelaide ruckman who would be a great addition to St Kilda's list:

Adelaide Crows

Unrestricted free agents
Ben Davis
Jake Kelly
Tom Lynch
David Mackay
Daniel Talia

Restricted free agents
Matt Crouch

Out of contract
Lachlan Gollant
Ronin O’Connor
Paul Seedsman
Kieran Strachan

Brisbane Lions

Unrestricted free agents
Connor Ballenden
Grant Birchall
Rhys Mathieson
Mitch Robinson
Archie Smith

Restricted free agents
None

Out of contract
Marcus Adams
Keidean Coleman
Tom Fullarton
Tom Joyce
James Madden
Connor McFadyen
Brock Smith

Carlton
Unrestricted free agents
Eddie Betts
Levi Casboult
Ed Curnow
Matthew Kennedy
Oscar McDonald
Marc Murphy

Restricted free agents
None

Out of contract
Matt Cottrell
Michael Gibbons
Josh Honey
Brodie Kemp
Nic Newman
Jack Newnes
Lochie O’Brien
Matt Owies
Luke Parks
Sam Petrevski-Seton
Marc Pittonet
Sam Ramsay
Will Setterfield
Jack Silvagni

Collingwood

Unrestricted free agents
Chris Mayne - retiring
Scott Pendlebury
Josh Thomas

Restricted free agents
None

Out of contract
Darcy Cameron
Isaac Chugg
Mason Cox
Jack Ginnivan
Max Lynch
Jack Madgen
Josh Noble
Jay Rantall
Trey Ruscoe
Brayden Sier
Anton Tohill
Tom Wilson

Essendon

Unrestricted free agents
Patrick Ambrose
Dylan Clarke
Martin Gleeson
Cale Hooker
Will Snelling
David Zaharakis

Restricted free agents
None

Out of contract
Kaine Baldwin
Ned Cahill
Tom Cutler
Matt Guelfi
Nick Hind
Tom Hird
Lachlan Johnson
Jayden Laverde
Cian McBride
Irving Mosquito
Andrew Phillips
Brandon Zerk-Thatcher

Fremantle

Unrestricted free agents
Bailey Banfield
Brett Bewley
Reece Conca
Stephen Hill
Lachie Schultz

Restricted free agents
None

Out of contract
Adam Cerra
Travis Colyer
Mitchell Crowden
Taylin Duman
Stefan Giro
Lloyd Meek
Leno Thomas
Josh Treacy
Darcy Tucker
Tobe Watson
Nathan Wilson

Geelong Cats

Unrestricted free agents
Jed Bews
Oscar Brownless
Cam Guthrie
Lachie Henderson

Restricted free agents
Jake Kolodjashnij

Out of contract
Bradley Close
Charlie Constable
Francis Evans
Zach Guthrie
Shaun Higgins
Ben Jarvis
Josh Jenkins
Nathan Kreuger
Gryan Miers
Quinton Narkle
Stefan Okunbor
Gary Rohan
Sam Simpson
Rhys Stanley
Cooper Stephens
Cameron Taheny

Gold Coast Suns

Unrestricted free agents
Sam Day
Jarrod Harbrow
Jack Hombsch
Sean Lemmens
Jordan Murdoch
Zac Smith
Jacob Townsend

Restricted free agents
None

Out of contract
Alex Davies
Jy Farrar
Aiden Fyfe
Joel Jeffrey
Patrick Murtagh
Rhys Nicholls
Malcolm Rosas
Jeremy Sharp
Luke Towey
Lachlan Weller

GWS Giants

Unrestricted free agents
Matt Buntine
Daniel Lloyd
Sam Reid
Zachary Sproule
Jack Stein

Restricted free agents
Josh Kelly

Out of contract
Kieren Briggs
Callum Brown
Matthew Flynn
Tom Green
Jacob Hopper
Thomas Hutchesson
Lachlan Keeffe
Jake Riccardi
Nicholas Shipley

Hawthorn

Unrestricted free agents
Keegan Brooksby
Shaun Burgoyne
Michael Hartley
Dylan Moore
Tim O’Brien

Restricted free agents
None

Out of contract
Lachlan Bramble
James Cousins
Will Day
Damon Greaves
Oliver Hanrahan
Blake Hardwick
Daniel Howe
Emerson Jeka
Changkuoth Jiath
Jacob Koschitzke
Finn Maginness
Josh Morris
Harry Morrison
Conor Nash
Harry Pepper
Jack Saunders
James Worpel

Melbourne

Unrestricted free agents
Mitch Brown
Majak Daw
Neville Jetta
Nathan Jones
Aaron Nietschke

Restricted free agents
None

Out of contract
Oskar Baker
Toby Bedford
Austin Bradtke
Kade Chandler
Michael Hibberd
Marty Hore
Jay Lockhart
Deakyn Smith
Joel Smith
Aaron Vandenberg
Sam Weideman

North Melbourne

Unrestricted free agents
Shaun Atley
Tom Campbell
Trent Dumont
Taylor Garner
Kyron Hayden
Connor Menadue
Robbie Tarrant
Josh Walker
Will Walker
Jack Ziebell

Restricted free agents
None

Out of contract
Aaron Hall
Matthew McGuinness
Dom Tyson
Patrick Walker

Port Adelaide

Unrestricted free agents
Tyson Goldsack
Robbie Gray
Hamish Hartlett
Steven Motlop
Tom Rockliff
Boyd Woodcock

Restricted free agents
None

Out of contract
Riley Bonner
Trent Burgoyne
Kane Farrell
Martin Frederick
Joel Garner
Jarrod Lienert
Sam Mayes
Jackson Mead
Taj Schofield

Richmond

Unrestricted free agents
David Astbury
Mabior Chol
Derek Eggmolesse-Smith
Bachar Houli
Kamdyn McIntosh
Ben Miller
Matthew Parker

Restricted free agents
None

Out of contract
Liam Baker
Shai Bolton
Jason Castagna
Callum Coleman-Jones
Noah Cumberland
Thomson Dow
Ryan Garthwaite
Rhyan Mansell
Will Martyn
Patrick Naish
Bigoa Nyuon
Hugo Ralphsmith
Daniel Rioli
Ivan Soldo
Sydney Stack

St Kilda
Unrestricted free agents
Oscar Clavarino
James Frawley
Jarryn Geary
Paul Hunter
Darragh Joyce
Shaun McKernan
Seb Ross
Mason Wood

Restricted free agents
Jack Billings
Luke Dunstan

Out of contract
Sam Alabakis
Jake Carlisle
Leo Connolly
Zak Jones
Dean Kent
Jack Lonie
Patrick Ryder

Sydney Swans

Unrestricted free agents
Kaiden Brand
Robbie Fox
Sam Gray
Luke Parker
Sam Reid

Restricted free agents
George Hewett

Out of contract
Joel Amartey
James Bell
Malachy Carruthers
Ryan Clarke
Jordan Dawson
Will Gould
Matthew Ling
Hayden McLean
Barry O’Connor
Colin O’Riordan
Ben Ronke
Callum Sinclair
Dylan Stephens
Sam Wicks

West Coast Eagles

Unrestricted free agents
Brendon Ah Chee
Shannon Hurn
Mark Hutchings
Jamaine Jones
Josh Kennedy
Daniel Venables - retired

Restricted free agents
None

Out of contract
Brayden Ainsworth
Jarrod Brander
Liam Duggan
Luke Foley
Ben Johnson
Xavier O’Neill
Jack Redden
Josh Rotham
Nathan Vardy

Western Bulldogs

Unrestricted free agents
Ben Cavarra
Taylor Duryea
Ryan Gardner
Will Hayes
Lin Jong 0- retired
Stefan Martin
Roarke Smith
Mitch Wallis

Restricted free agents
None

Out of contract
Louis Butler
Zaine Cordy
Riley Garcia
Buku Khamis
Patrick Lipinski
Lachlan McNeil
Ed Richards
Jordon Sweet
Cody Weightman
Lewis Young

[Royston]

Patrick Lipinski would be worth consideration if we could do a deal with the dogs. I think he has good upside, at 190cm is a good size and due to the digs depth not getting as much of a go as he would elsewhere.
We need to make some midfield changes and he would add to our depth and bring something different to the current Dunston, Ross mix.

[Saints58]

Patrick Lipinski would be worth consideration if we could do a deal with the dogs. I think he has good upside, at 190cm is a good size and due to the digs depth not getting as much of a go as he would elsewhere.
We need to make some midfield changes and he would add to our depth and bring something different to the current Dunston, Ross mix.

Yes I agree with you I know Patrick I coached him in the Vic basketball championships a few years back he is a great kid and works hard.

[st.rod]

Who are we actually intetested in? Have heard nothing. Lipinski, Narkle, Riccardi etc are all out there but nobody linked to saints (need midfielders and FB) Anybody know who's a possibility?

[SAINT-LEE]

I'm still very keen for us to get another senior FF who can:
- mentor King
- draw a defender
- mark in contest
- run off defenders

Tom Lynch on a 2 year deal, might be fairly economical. Proven scorer, great mentor and is a handy mark

[BadRossco]

Under manned team looked OK against Cats but a lot of work needed in the off season, need to cut the geriatrics in Frawley and McKernan, retire Carlisle and Geary delist Kent, Lonie, Joyce and Hunter they are not AFL standard. Hopefully get some compensation for Billings, one faint heart in Hill is enough, move on the ball butchers in Ross and Dunstan through trade or free agency. Wood and Clavarino and Webster retained as back up replaced in team by Paton, Highmore, Clark and Connolly, Gresham to add pace although his disposal is not great, another year for Paddy, recruit Chol as back up ruck KPD (free agency), giving Heath time to develop. Persevere with Bytel and Byrnes they have a bit of upside. Hopefully we can improve our position in the draft, and stock up on quick skilled young players using every method available that is national draft, rookie draft, preseason draft, supplementary and mid season drafts and hopefully the recruiting staff can lose their mediocrity and find some gems

[Impatient Sainter]

Max Lynch from Collingwood would my choice as a backup ruckman capable of stepping up when Paddy retires. He hasnt played a lot of footy at AFL level but when he has, he has done well. People have mentioned he is playing VFL for Collingwood so why would he be any good, the response is he is more a ruckman who rests forward than the opposite. Collingwood have Grundy as the main ruckman and Cameron & Cox who mostly are their chosen key forwards, so Lynch misses out. Lynch is out of contract and has been reported as looking at options, so if he didnt cost too much trade wise he would be a good pick up.

[saintsRrising]

Tom Lynch on a 2 year deal, might be fairly economical. Proven scorer, great mentor and is a handy mark

That would just mean not getting games into a player like Sharman.


Asa club we do not yet have the players to be a Top 4 Team, BUT we do have a good group of younger players . This gives us a platform where recruiting just the right mix of RIGHT young kids plus older players (including players previously passed over like Highmore, Wilkie, Sharman) who can play quite a number of years can see us getting better and better.

Now Paddy has been huge for us, but last recruiting period we got too many gap fillers that ultimately cannot improve and as it turned out did not even contribute immediately (McKernan, Frawley, Hunter). Wood at least showed promise, though he was at least only 27.


Now there is perhaps a case for a key defender. But up forward as we already have Membrey I would rather keep getting games into Sharman and Battle that Lynch.


A true gun mid to go with Steele is what we most need. Unfortunately it is most unlikely that we can get a ready made one from another club. This means growing our own.


Our recruiting last time round smacked way too much of thinking we were a true contender already, and so too many back up players were brought in.

Our focus needs to be more medium term we our priority is to find good talent that can play with the good young talent that we already have. This means that we need to keep churning through players to find the diamonds. Recruiting gap-fillers like Hunter is just pointless given where our list is at. And while Lynch would probably play good football in 2022, ultimately it will hold us back.

[saintsRrising]

PS: Our mid year pick ups in Heath and Sharman were both great pick ups. Ultimately neither might make it, but if we keep doing that we will find players who will be in our best 22 for the longterm.

[Devilhead]

If Dunstan goes .... thoughts on Matt Crouch as a RFA?

He is a contested ball beast which we are seemingly lacking going by the Cats game

He is only 26 so should be coming into his prime

He and his brother were the Crows engine room in their push for the Premiership in 2017 albiet slightly younger

He has had some groin issues this year but if he gets back fit I reckon he would be an upgrade on Dunstan and he wouldnt cost picks ...... like his brother last year just salary cap

Midfield of Steele, Crouch brothers & Jones with Clark, Bytel, Gresh & Byrnes to rotate through

[Impatient Sainter]

If we can pick up our NGA's outside the top 20, Im starting to think this years draft/s will set us up for years ahead. It is a strong midfield draft so if we can get 3 or 4 quality mids plus a couple of talls our list should improve no end.

[Gershwin]

If Dunstan goes .... thoughts on Matt Crouch as a RFA?

He is a contested ball beast which we are seemingly lacking going by the Cats game

He is only 26 so should be coming into his prime

He and his brother were the Crows engine room in their push for the Premiership in 2017 albiet slightly younger

He has had some groin issues this year but if he gets back fit I reckon he would be an upgrade on Dunstan and he wouldnt cost picks ...... like his brother last year just salary cap

Midfield of Steele, Crouch brothers & Jones with Clark, Bytel, Gresh & Byrnes to rotate through

Nah. Desperately need to draft 18 year olds. Have been slack with that for several years.

[Ghost Like]

I'm probably dreaming but if we snagged a 2nd round pick for Dunstan to get us into that round, would Freo accept Pick 9 for Cerra?

[CURLY]

I'm probably dreaming but if we snagged a 2nd round pick for Dunstan to get us into that round, would Freo accept Pick 9 for Cerra?

You’d think Cerra has already agreed to be elsewhere next season.

[Ghost Like]

I'm probably dreaming but if we snagged a 2nd round pick for Dunstan to get us into that round, would Freo accept Pick 9 for Cerra?

You’d think Cerra has already agreed to be elsewhere next season.

Pity.

[Ghost Like]

I'm probably dreaming but if we snagged a 2nd round pick for Dunstan to get us into that round, would Freo accept Pick 9 for Cerra?

You’d think Cerra has already agreed to be elsewhere next season.

Pity.

[CURLY]

I'm probably dreaming but if we snagged a 2nd round pick for Dunstan to get us into that round, would Freo accept Pick 9 for Cerra?

You’d think Cerra has already agreed to be elsewhere next season.

Pity.

He would be ideal.