Is this our best ruck combo...

[SaintPav]

Yes. Timing is everything

Did you put that cheeky $100 on us a few weeks ago

I wish.

[bigcarl]

I think our main problem was that we peaked too early in the season and teams figured us out. Unlike in 2021 where we are timing our run perfectly.

I fear we left our run a week late, but I hope I’m wrong. We could definitely do some damage if we made the eight and we’d be a sentimental favourite with the umpires falling over themselves to help, a la Bulldogs 2016.


Shame that it took Hunter Clark’s jaw being smashed and the return of some very key players to get our season going.

[SaintPav]

I think our main problem was that we peaked too early in the season and teams figured us out. Unlike in 2021 where we are timing our run perfectly.

I fear we left our run a week late, but I hope I’m wrong. We could definitely do some damage if we made the eight and we’d be a sentimental favourite with the umpires falling over themselves to help, a la Bulldogs 2016.


Shame that it took Hunter Clark’s jaw being smashed and the return of some very key players to get our season going.

I was being a little facetious Carl but one can dream.

[Sanctorum]

I've closely followed Max Heath's development in the past 18 months, ever since I read that one of his coaches reckoned he had a lot of Carl Ditterich's aggression in the way he plays, so was tickled pink that he was drafted last month.

He's likely to progress quite rapidly under Paddy Ryder's wings. It is quite common for ruckmen to develop slowly but I expect Max will be like Freo's Sean Darcy who at 23 has become one of the leading ruckmen in the comp.

If as he has indicated Paddy plays on in 2022 and possibly 2023 I believe the team will be well set up with Heath and Marshall as the Saints' ruck duo into the future!

[bigcarl]

I've closely followed Max Heath's development in the past 18 months, ever since I read that one of his coaches reckoned he had a lot of Carl Ditterich's aggression in the way he plays, so was tickled pink that he was drafted last month.

He's likely to progress quite rapidly under Paddy Ryder's wings. It is quite common for ruckmen to develop slowly but I expect Max will be like Freo's Sean Darcy who at 23 has become one of the leading ruckmen in the comp.

If as he has indicated Paddy plays on in 2022 and possibly 2023 I believe the team will be well set up with Heath and Marshall as the Saints' ruck duo into the future!

I love a positive post

[happy feet]

I've closely followed Max Heath's development in the past 18 months, ever since I read that one of his coaches reckoned he had a lot of Carl Ditterich's aggression in the way he plays, so was tickled pink that he was drafted last month.

He's likely to progress quite rapidly under Paddy Ryder's wings. It is quite common for ruckmen to develop slowly but I expect Max will be like Freo's Sean Darcy who at 23 has become one of the leading ruckmen in the comp.

If as he has indicated Paddy plays on in 2022 and possibly 2023 I believe the team will be well set up with Heath and Marshall as the Saints' ruck duo into the future!

I remember Big Carl, or the Shadow as the players knew him. Athletic, mobile, extremely talented but tough and fearless. Would not survive in today’s game, would be suspended over and over again. Our smaller players were looked after. Carl dished out the retribution when it was needed.

[Beno88]

Spider was outstanding- a 3 time AA ruckman

Vidovic’s legend has grown - he was a GOP who played as many reserves games as senior games. In fact he only played 90 games in 9 seasons at StK.
In that year where he got injured and was a ‘huge loss’ he actually only played 7 games.

Marshall and Ryder are probably our only A Grade duo since Saru and Sidebottom - who were effectively followers/ruck rovers

Prior to that we had Ditterich/Morrow/Mynott

Bit harsh on Vidovic. Injuries really restricted his career.

Most of his reserves games came in 1988-1991. He was excellent in 1992 before getting injured in 1993. Came back with a great season in 1994, got suspended in the preseason of 1995 and missed the first six games (which we lost), as soon as he came back we found form beating several top 8 sides, then injury struck again.

He returned in 1996 with a good season before a preseason knee injury in '97 meant he missed the first three months of the season. He returned in Round 16 and we didn't lose a game with him in the side. Then a knee injury struck again, this time for good.

The 1997 GF would have been very different if Lazar had played.I do recall him saying somewhere that Darren Jarman wouldn't remember the '97 GF if he'd played in it.

[skeptic]

Spider was outstanding- a 3 time AA ruckman

Vidovic’s legend has grown - he was a GOP who played as many reserves games as senior games. In fact he only played 90 games in 9 seasons at StK.
In that year where he got injured and was a ‘huge loss’ he actually only played 7 games.

Marshall and Ryder are probably our only A Grade duo since Saru and Sidebottom - who were effectively followers/ruck rovers

Prior to that we had Ditterich/Morrow/Mynott

Bit harsh on Vidovic. Injuries really restricted his career.

Most of his reserves games came in 1988-1991. He was excellent in 1992 before getting injured in 1993. Came back with a great season in 1994, got suspended in the preseason of 1995 and missed the first six games (which we lost), as soon as he came back we found form beating several top 8 sides, then injury struck again.

He returned in 1996 with a good season before a preseason knee injury in '97 meant he missed the first three months of the season. He returned in Round 16 and we didn't lose a game with him in the side. Then a knee injury struck again, this time for good.

The 1997 GF would have been very different if Lazar had played.I do recall him saying somewhere that Darren Jarman wouldn't remember the '97 GF if he'd played in it.

I also think the first Crow player to stick the knees into Harvey would have been the last one to have the nerve to do it.
Vidovic would have seen to that

[freely]

I see Daniel Cherney in today's Age dubs them "the best combination to hit St Kilda since fish and chips". I won't argue!

[Devilhead]

Apparently young Max Heath played a blinder with the Sandy Dragons on the weekend.
Dominated the ruck and kicked a couple of sausage rolls.

22 disposals, 9 marks, 27 hit outs & 2 goals

Impressive even it was against his own age group

Still finishing Year 12

[shanegrambeau]

Damian Kitschke

Remember him?

He was Lazar's sidekick no?

He only seemed to play for a few years, but they were years where St Kilda got better.

[B.M]

So are we saying Vidovic was going to knock opposition out

Nice

Great way to win

[SaintPav]

Alan Sidebottom and Max Crow

[SaintPav]

Damian Kitschke

Remember him?

He was Lazar's sidekick no?

He only seemed to play for a few years, but they were years where St Kilda got better.

Paul Harding

[Crossy66]

So are we saying Vidovic was going to knock opposition out

Nice

Great way to win

Was a different game back then

[SaintPav]

Big talk

[skeptic]

So are we saying Vidovic was going to knock opposition out

Nice

Great way to win

As opposed to what they did to Harvey. They’re enforcers took some rough shots... we didn’t really have any tough players on the day physically/emotionally in their prime.

I’d have taken the win personally.

[shanegrambeau]

Damian Kitschke

Remember him?

He was Lazar's sidekick no?

He only seemed to play for a few years, but they were years where St Kilda got better.

Paul Harding

Yep, liked Paul. Great worker. Remember him and Brett Bowey starring in a win down at Moorabbin and going in the rooms after the game. Bowey got an award.

But Paul Harding, I loved him, but watching the ball bounce of his chest as we let that final slip to Geelong in '91...after all those years, we hadn't been in a final since I was 9. Nevermind, went on to play West Coast didn't he. I think he was decent there. Not sure if he played in their flags.

[SaintPav]

So are we saying Vidovic was going to knock opposition out

Nice

Great way to win

As opposed to what they did to Harvey. They’re enforcers took some rough shots... we didn’t really have any tough players on the day physically/emotionally in their prime.

I’d have taken the win personally.

Got a bit of old school mongrel in ya, Skeptic.

[SaintPav]

Damian Kitschke

Remember him?

He was Lazar's sidekick no?

He only seemed to play for a few years, but they were years where St Kilda got better.

Paul Harding

Yep, liked Paul. Great worker. Remember him and Brett Bowey starring in a win down at Moorabbin and going in the rooms after the game. Bowey got an award.

But Paul Harding, I loved him, but watching the ball bounce of his chest as we let that final slip to Geelong in '91...after all those years, we hadn't been in a final since I was 9. Nevermind, went on to play West Coast didn't he. I think he was decent there. Not sure if he played in their flags.

Yes, he played in their 92 Premiership.

He also played for the Hawks for a year or two from memory.

He played quite a few good games for us from memory.

[skeptic]

So are we saying Vidovic was going to knock opposition out

Nice

Great way to win

As opposed to what they did to Harvey. They’re enforcers took some rough shots... we didn’t really have any tough players on the day physically/emotionally in their prime.

I’d have taken the win personally.

Got a bit of old school mongrel in ya, Skeptic.

Only in the sense of the spectator.

If I was out there, I’d wait for Lazar to knock an opponent down... then when I was sure he was out, I’d kick him a few times

[SaintPav]

So are we saying Vidovic was going to knock opposition out

Nice

Great way to win

As opposed to what they did to Harvey. They’re enforcers took some rough shots... we didn’t really have any tough players on the day physically/emotionally in their prime.

I’d have taken the win personally.

Got a bit of old school mongrel in ya, Skeptic.

Only in the sense of the spectator.

If I was out there, I’d wait for Lazar to knock an opponent down... then when I was sure he was out, I’d kick him a few times

Of course.

[B.M]

They did what anyone would do to a dual Brownlow medallist and premier player… put them under pressure

Harves got 36 so I’m not sure he was too affected?

Also not sure any of them did anything untoward or outside the rules, definitely not knocking him out as you’re suggesting Lazar might have done.

That sort of stuff is disgraceful and not something I’d be happy that Saints player had to resort to.

Jim o’Dea and Cowboy hits are very ordinary moments in StK FC history

[saynta]

They did what anyone would do to a dual Brownlow medallist and premier player… put them under pressure

Harves got 36 so I’m not sure he was too affected?

Also not sure any of them did anything untoward or outside the rules, definitely not knocking him out as you’re suggesting Lazar might have done.

That sort of stuff is disgraceful and not something I’d be happy that Saints player had to resort to.

Jim o’Dea and Cowboy hits are very ordinary moments in StK FC history

As was Dermie's hit on spud but i don't think the hawk supporters would condemn that particular fig jam.

[happy feet]

They did what anyone would do to a dual Brownlow medallist and premier player… put them under pressure

Harves got 36 so I’m not sure he was too affected?

Also not sure any of them did anything untoward or outside the rules, definitely not knocking him out as you’re suggesting Lazar might have done.

That sort of stuff is disgraceful and not something I’d be happy that Saints player had to resort to.

Jim o’Dea and Cowboy hits are very ordinary moments in StK FC history

As was Dermie's hit on spud but i don't think the hawk supporters would condemn that particular fig jam.

The game was different back then. Every team had its knuckle merchants. To name a few, Sheedy, Balme, Patterson, Matthews, Hawker… I had better stop as the list would go on and on.

And I’m glad the game is not like that anymore.