Trade-Draft 2021 Discussion

[Impatient Sainter]

This is one of the kids the Saints over looked to reach for Allison. Liam McMahon made the most of limited opportunities to kick four goals in VFL for Collingwood against Frankston. Allison is lucky to get 4 possessions a game...

Against Frankston.

Yep Franston who are a game clear of Sandringham on the ladder. McMahon is not getting huge stats either but at least he is showing signs of becoming a key forward, the player we drafted Allison to become.

[saynta]

Cal's phantom draft

https://www.afl.com.au/news/639253/cal- ... cts-ranked

[Impatient Sainter]

Recents draftees Sandringham reviews -

Cooper Sharman

“He was pretty good for his first game.
“He’s pretty lively and a natural forward. He knows where space is and how to create it.
“We had him playing up high and on the off-ball side a fair bit, but he played that role really well.
“He impacted with the ball when he had to, and he played his defensive part with his patterns of attack on the ball, and he did the role required of him.
“He’s a great young kid and did pretty well for his first game with a new system, new coaches, new teammates, a new oval, new everything.
“It was pretty pleasing to see and hopefully a good start to a long career for Cooper.”

Matt Allison

“Matty is progressing well.
“He’s had a couple of weeks where he’s been able to play with Darragh and Clav, and a couple of other experienced defenders at Sandy.
“We’re just keeping it really basic with him, things like getting to the correct side on defence, competing well in the air.
“The more consistent they get, the more we can start to progress the development of his other defensive traits.
“He’s picking it up really quickly, he’s desperate to learn and he’s heading in the right direction.”

Doesnt sound like a kid who has a great footballing IQ & plays like it. He has been playing game his whole life and doesnt know what side of his opponent he should be and encouraged to compete in the air, thats park footballing stuff!

[saynta]

Always the negative nellie with your comments. Becomes f****** boring after awhile.

[Impatient Sainter]

Always the negative nellie with your comments. Becomes f****** boring after awhile.

Hardly did you read the Sharman comments?

I will post positive about the kid when he shows one ounce of the talent he was meant to have when we drafted him. Until then I am firmly of the opinion the kid has no natural footballing talent.

Did you notice the positives I posted regarding Highmore after his last game? It seems you only concentrate on those posts you dont like Saynta.

[saynta]

Always the negative nellie with your comments. Becomes f****** boring after awhile.

Hardly did you read the Sharman comments?

I will post positive about the kid when he shows one ounce of the talent he was meant to have when we drafted him. Until then I am firmly of the opinion the kid has no natural footballing talent.

Did you notice the positives I posted regarding Highmore after his last game? It seems you only concentrate on those posts you dont like Saynta.

No not true. You keep putting s*** on Allison.and I very much doubt you have ever seen him play in the flesh.

Give it a break FFS.

[Impatient Sainter]

Always the negative nellie with your comments. Becomes f****** boring after awhile.

Hardly did you read the Sharman comments?

I will post positive about the kid when he shows one ounce of the talent he was meant to have when we drafted him. Until then I am firmly of the opinion the kid has no natural footballing talent.

Did you notice the positives I posted regarding Highmore after his last game? It seems you only concentrate on those posts you dont like Saynta.

No not true. You keep putting s*** on Allison.and I very much doubt you have ever seen him play in the flesh.

Give it a break FFS.

What does seeing him in live have to do with it? You obviously havent or you would be claiming otherwise!

If he was a Cat B rookie in his first year of footy you could forgive his lack of ticker and footballing IQ. But hes not, he was actually a 1st round draft selection and from what I have seen a very poor one. Its not just about him its about our clubs inability to nail our draft picks year after year. For reasons only they will know, but our recruiters keep selecting players to fit a position rather than BEST Available.

[BadRossco]

Believe if Gags gets a FRDP for Billings he will trade both first rounders to the filth for Mason Cox

[saynta]

Always the negative nellie with your comments. Becomes f****** boring after awhile.

Hardly did you read the Sharman comments?

I will post positive about the kid when he shows one ounce of the talent he was meant to have when we drafted him. Until then I am firmly of the opinion the kid has no natural footballing talent.

Did you notice the positives I posted regarding Highmore after his last game? It seems you only concentrate on those posts you dont like Saynta.

No not true. You keep putting s*** on Allison.and I very much doubt you have ever seen him play in the flesh.

Give it a break FFS.

What does seeing him in live have to do with it? You obviously havent or you would be claiming otherwise!

If he was a Cat B rookie in his first year of footy you could forgive his lack of ticker and footballing IQ. But hes not, he was actually a 1st round draft selection and from what I have seen a very poor one. Its not just about him its about our clubs inability to nail our draft picks year after year. For reasons only they will know, but our recruiters keep selecting players to fit a position rather than BEST Available.

Bookmarked.

ps. What number does he wear for Sandy?

[Impatient Sainter]

NAB League Super Rankings: See this season’s top 50 performers and the best from Round 11

Four highly rated AFL draft prospects were among the NAB League standouts at the weekend.
Josh Rachele booted a season-high six goals to lead the Murray Bushrangers to a 16-point victory over Josh Ward’s Northern Knights.

Ward maintained his hot form with a match-high 35 disposals and eight clearances to amass 154 KFC SuperCoach points, behind only Rachele’s 179 for the most in the match.

They are both tipped to be inside the first 20 selections in this year’s AFL Draft, as are the in-form Ben Hobbs and Finn Callaghan, who are pushing towards the pointy end.

Hobbs has returned from an ankle setback in brilliant touch in the past three weeks, including amassing a combined 71 disposals in two games for Greater Western Victoria Rebels then in Vic Country’s trial match.

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Josh Ward, pictured playing for Vic Metro in a trial game, continued his red hot form with 35 disposals. Picture: AFL Photos/Getty Images
The 17-year-old midfielder wasn’t quite as prolific for the Rebels on Saturday, but still had 24 disposals, nine groundball-gets and 138 ranking points in a losing cause.

Another one to watch is Callaghan, who had 28 disposals and five score involvements in Sandringham Dragons’ 38-point win over Tasmania.

Among the weekend’s other top scorers were Cannons pair Zac Taylor and Josh Goater, Jet Liam Conway, Falcons’ Mitchell Knevitt, Stingray Connor MacDonald and Ranges’ Max Hall.


Calder Cannons 8.5 (53) d Geelong Falcons 7.8 (50)
Zac Taylor (Calder Cannons) 167 points
Josh Goater (Calder Cannons) 166 points
Mitchell Knevitt (Geelong Falcons) 151 points
Noah Gribble (Geelong Falcons) 145 points
Cooper Whyte (Geelong Falcons) 119 points

Oakleigh Chargers 3.10 (28) d GWV Rebels 1.6 (12) (Actual Score - GWV REBELS 5.7 (37) def. OAKLEIGH CHARGERS 4.11 (35) and they only have the stats from the first 3 quarters)
Samuel Collins (Oakleigh Chargers) 147 points
Ben Hobbs (GWV Rebels) 138 points
Archie Stevens (GWV Rebels) 128 points
Sam Tucker (Oakleigh Chargers) 118 points
Henry Brown (Oakleigh Chargers) 115 points
Marcus Herbert (GWV Rebels) 115 points

Murray Bushrangers 11.5 (71) d Northern Knights 8.7 (55)
Josh Rachele (Murray Bushrangers) 179 points
Josh Ward (Northern Knights) 154 points
Jedd Longmire (Murray Bushrangers) 136 points
Joel Fitzgerald (Northern Knights) 127 points
Tom Bracher (Murray Bushrangers) 116 points


Sandringham Dragons 6.20 (56) d Tasmania Devils 2.6 (18)
Finn Callaghan (Sandringham Dragons) 138 points
Charlie McKay (Sandringham Dragons) 113 points
Mitch Owens (Sandringham Dragons) 109 points
Blake Howes (Sandringham Dragons) 109 points
Baker Smith (Tasmania Devils) 104 points

Eastern Ranges 7.10 (52) d Dandenong Stingrays 7.8 (50)
Connor MacDonald (Dandenong Stingrays) 178 points
Max Hall (Eastern Ranges) 155 points
Judson Clarke (Dandenong Stingrays) 120 points
Henry Berenger (Dandenong Stingrays) 117 points
Jake Soligo (Eastern Ranges) 116 points

Gippsland Power 9.3 (57) d Western Jets 7.9 (51)
Liam Conway (Western Jets) 143 points
Billy Cootee (Western Jets) 138 points
Harrison White (Western Jets) 128 points
Nathan Noblett (Gippsland Power) 123 points
Paul Curtis (Western Jets) 120 points

[Impatient Sainter]

Ranking, Player, Club, Position, 2021 Games, 2021 Ave. KFC SuperCoach Points
1. Joel Trudgeon (Northern Knights), MID, 5 games, 182 points
2. Nick Daicos (Oakleigh Chargers), MID/FWD, 5 games, 159 points
3. Samuel Frost (GWS Academy), MID, 4 games, 147 points
4. Ned Long (Northern Knights), MID, 3 games, 144 points
5. Pierce Roseby (Sydney Swans Academy), MID, 3 games, 142 points
E6. Patrick Parnell* (Murray Bushrangers), GEN DEF, 4 games, 141 points
E6. Bodhi Uwland (Gold Coast Academy), KEY DEF, 2 games, 141 points
8. Connor MacDonald (Dandenong Stingrays), MID, 3 games, 138 points
9. Josh Ward (Northern Knights), MID, 5 games, 134 points
10. Felix Rogers (Sydney Swans Academy), GEN DEF, 3 games, 133 points
11. Fraser Marris (Greater Western Victoria Rebels), MID, 6 games, 132 points
E12. Josh Rachele (Murray Bushrangers), GEN DEF, 4 games, 130 points
E12. Noah Gribble (Geelong Falcons), GEN DEF, 8 games, 130 points
14. Oliver Davis (Tasmania), MID, 2 games, 129 points
15. Oliver Sanders (Tasmania), MID, 3 games, 128 points
E16. Cody Raak (Western Jets), GEN DEF, 5 games, 127 points
E16. Matthew Hamblin (GWS Academy), GEN FWD, 4 games, 127 points
E16. Zavier Maher (Murray Bushrangers), MID, 2 games, 127 points
19. Joel Fitzgerald (Northern Knights), GEN DEF, 6 games, 126 points
20. Sam Conforti (Bendigo Pioneers), MID, 4 games, 123 points
E21. Chance Doultree (Gippsland Power), MID, 5 games, 122 points
E21. Ewan MacPherson (Northern Knights), MID, 4 games, 122 points
E21. Ben Hobbs (GWV Rebels), MID, 4 games, 122 points
E24. Nick Hodgson (GWV Rebels), MID, 7 games, 121 points
E24. Zac Taylor (Calder Cannons), MID, 6 games, 121 points
E24. Andy Moniz Wakefield (Northern Territory), MID, 2 games, 121 points
27. Noah Gadsby (Geelong Falcons), GEN DEF, 3 games, 120 points
28. Baynen Lowe (Tasmania), MID, 6 games, 119 points
29. Jordan Endemann (Sydney Swans Academy), GEN DEF, 3 games, 117 points
E30. Joshua Goater (Calder Cannons), MID, 6 games, 115 points
E30. Hugh Fidler (Brisbane Lions Academy), MID, 2 games, 115 points
E32. Mitchell Knevitt (Geelong Falcons), MID, 7 games, 114 points
E32. Liam Conway (Western Jets), MID, 6 games, 114 points
E32. Maximus Monaghan (GWS Academy), GEN FWD, 4 games, 114 points
35. Flynn Lakey (Calder Cannons), MID, 7 games, 113 points
36. Finn Callaghan (Sandringham Dragons), GEN DEF, 6 games, 112 points
E37. Ned Moyle* (Oakleigh Chargers), RUCK, 4 games, 111 points
E37. Lachlan Riley (Sandringham Dragons), MID, 3 games, 111 points
E37. Joshua Green (GWS Academy), MID, 3 games, 111 points
E37. Zac Young (Brisbane Lions Academy), MID, 2 games, 111 points
E41. Charlie McKay (Sandringham Dragons), MID, 7 games, 110 points
E41. Harrison White (Western Jets), MID, 6 games, 110 points
E41. Samuel Banks (Tasmania), GEN DEF, 3 games, 110 points
E44. Jake Soligo (Eastern Ranges), MID, 5 games, 109 points
E44. James Cahill (Dandenong Stingrays), MID, 5 games, 109 points
E44. Luke Fellows (GWS Academy), N/A, 4 games, 109 points
47. Angus Anderson (Sydney Swans Academy), MID, 2 games, 108 points
E48. Jacob Edwards* (Sandringham Dragons), RUCK, 3 games, 107 points
E48. William Bella (Gold Coast Academy), KEY FWD, 2 games, 107 points
E48. Bayleigh Welsh (Dandenong Stingrays), GEN DEF, 2 games, 107 points

[Impatient Sainter]

SEN are reporting that Max LYNCH Collingwood is out of contract at season is looking at his options. He would be the perfect partner for Marshall when Paddy retires. Rory LOBB is also open to a move from Freo but he is contracted and would cost too much trade wise.

The above is obviously subject to any Ben King movement this year. It would make it interesting for Ratten to fit both Kings, a resting ruckman, Membrey and possibly Wood or Battle in attack.

[The Recruit]

Would be look at Riccardi or Weideman if Ben wasn’t coming??
Maybe lack of chat around those two means Ben is a lock..?

Would be looking at Riccardi for sure

[Impatient Sainter]

Would be look at Riccardi or Weideman if Ben wasn’t coming??
Maybe lack of chat around those two means Ben is a lock..?

Would be looking at Riccardi for sure

We need a forward/ruckman as a priority and I dont think either can play the 2nd ruck roll. Riccardi has been playing defence for the GWS VFL side and I imagine the club rates Highmore/Clavarino/Joyce as key talls? Particularly Clavarino has shown lots of improvement this year and is worth persisting with IMO.

[The Recruit]

Not sure a ruck forward is a must.
If you can get a genuine forward, surly marshal can ruck full time.
Also riccardi kicked 8 a few weeks ago
He is a forward

[happy feet]

Not sure a ruck forward is a must.
If you can get a genuine forward, surly marshal can ruck full time.
Also riccardi kicked 8 a few weeks ago
He is a forward

I think a good ruckman is a must. Gosh look at the beautiful tap work displayed by Paddy Ryder. Wouldn’t be great to find a younger version of Paddy?

[CURLY]

Not sure a ruck forward is a must.
If you can get a genuine forward, surly marshal can ruck full time.
Also riccardi kicked 8 a few weeks ago
He is a forward

I think a good ruckman is a must. Gosh look at the beautiful tap work displayed by Paddy Ryder. Wouldn’t be great to find a younger version of Paddy?

We had a young ruck with beautiful soft hands like Ryder. His ruck craft was brilliant but didn’t get enough of the footy. Copped a heap of criticism on here now we’re applauding Ryders work.

[The Recruit]

Not sure a ruck forward is a must.
If you can get a genuine forward, surly marshal can ruck full time.
Also riccardi kicked 8 a few weeks ago
He is a forward

I think a good ruckman is a must. Gosh look at the beautiful tap work displayed by Paddy Ryder. Wouldn’t be great to find a younger version of Paddy?

We had a young ruck with beautiful soft hands like Ryder. His ruck craft was brilliant but didn’t get enough of the footy. Copped a heap of criticism on here now we’re applauding Ryders work.

Please do t tell me it’s hickey
That guy let us down more than he won us games

He is a turtle compared to Ryder

[CURLY]

Not sure a ruck forward is a must.
If you can get a genuine forward, surly marshal can ruck full time.
Also riccardi kicked 8 a few weeks ago
He is a forward

I think a good ruckman is a must. Gosh look at the beautiful tap work displayed by Paddy Ryder. Wouldn’t be great to find a younger version of Paddy?

We had a young ruck with beautiful soft hands like Ryder. His ruck craft was brilliant but didn’t get enough of the footy. Copped a heap of criticism on here now we’re applauding Ryders work.

Please do t tell me it’s hickey
That guy let us down more than he won us games

He is a turtle compared to Ryder

No it was Longer.

[CURLY]

Not sure a ruck forward is a must.
If you can get a genuine forward, surly marshal can ruck full time.
Also riccardi kicked 8 a few weeks ago
He is a forward

I think a good ruckman is a must. Gosh look at the beautiful tap work displayed by Paddy Ryder. Wouldn’t be great to find a younger version of Paddy?

We had a young ruck with beautiful soft hands like Ryder. His ruck craft was brilliant but didn’t get enough of the footy. Copped a heap of criticism on here now we’re applauding Ryders work.

Please do t tell me it’s hickey
That guy let us down more than he won us games

He is a turtle compared to Ryder

No it was Longer.

[Impatient Sainter]

You are kidding surely Curly? Longer was the laziest footballer ever to pull on a Saints jumper, he made Capuano look good. Brisbane must have been laughing when they off loaded him.

Ryder is the best ruckman we have had since Gardiner!

[CURLY]

You are kidding surely Curly? Longer was the laziest footballer ever to pull on a Saints jumper, he made Capuano look good. Brisbane must have been laughing when they off loaded him.

Ryder is the best ruckman we have had since Gardiner!

Longers ruckwork was brilliant

[Scollop]

You are kidding surely Curly? Longer was the laziest footballer ever to pull on a Saints jumper, he made Capuano look good. Brisbane must have been laughing when they off loaded him.

Ryder is the best ruckman we have had since Gardiner!

Longers ruckwork was brilliant

I agree. His ruckwork in 2017 was first class and he handed it on a platter to Seb and Stuv and others. He needed to work on becoming a footballer as well as just a bloke who jumps and wins the footy

It's unfortunate he couldn't take his hand off his joystick long enough to realise he was a professional footballer ( y'know...the Playstation and XB box thingy)

[Impatient Sainter]

We have had some drafting shockers in the past, but in more recent years we have also had some big wins late in the draft and via trades -

Per Lewdog on BF -

1. Steele traded for pick 27. Probably the best trade in the history of the club.
2. Marshall rookie draft.
3. Wilkie rookie draft.
4. Highmore pick 45.
5. Byrnes pick 52.
6. Pick 10 traded for Ben Long, Josh Battle and Hunter Clark.
7. Traded in Howard and Ryder for the equivalent of pick 22.
8. Zak Jones for the equivalent of pick 43.
9. Crouch for nothing.

Added:

10. Leo Connolly pick 64 looks a player.
11. Max Heath a mid season draftee is a long term prospect but had a blinder last weekend, 22 disposals, 9 marks, 27 hitouts & 2 goals.
12. Gresham & Carlisle for an early 1st round pick.

[CQ SAINT]

A source very close to Paddy has revealed that Ryder is very keen on playing 300 games. He is currently on 257.