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Impatient Sainter wrote: ↑Mon 07 Jun 2021 8:59pm
From Zero Hanger - Saints have two of worst trade decisions.
1. Nick Hind
The Saints are battling, have no X factor and no rebound out of defence, yet for some reason they tried to turn Hind, who’s now having a stellar season for the Dons in defence, into a small forward.
It worked on the odd occasion but the fact the Saints had the foresight to draft him yet not use him in his proper position says it all. To then trade him to the Dons for an extremely low draft pick just rubs salt into the wounds.
Sharp recruiting from the Bombers, while it’s shaping as a shocking decision from the Saints and it’s not their last on this list.
2. Josh Bruce
Another decision that you’d think the Saints are probably regretting right now. While last year Bruce hardly set the world on fire, this season he is flying, and not just for marks either.
Sitting third on the Coleman leader board in a deadly Dogs forward line, Bruce spent the summer training with best mate (and Saints Co-Captain) Jack Steele, putting a firm focus on his fitness.
The results speak for themselves, and you’d have to think given the Saints woes in front of goal, not to mention the fact that they’ve thrown young key prospect Max King to the media wolves in recent weeks, that they could use Bruce’s experience and form in their current forward set up.
Another of the Saints blunders but understandable, the money required to pay Dan Hannebery to rarely play had to come from somewhere and Bruce was one of the casualties. Kudos to the Dogs for seeing his talent and making use of it.
They're not writing anything that some of us here didn't question or were crying out about at the time. That's why I've grown to dislike our club's so called professional football department and administrators. Incompetent imbeciles to say the least. Apart from Steele, most of our promising talent have gone backwards. The media are talking about Collingwood and Carlton going through a review of operations. Well, we should have been put through the microscope well before then. It's a crying shame having Finnis and Lethlean running this club!
I totally agree saintkid, especially the part about a full review of the club's operations. That's a given.
What I'm not in agreement about is the three players. Hind was a mistake, totally agree with everything written about letting Hind go. I don't care for what's written about the other two - there's no surprise this thread was not created last year.
Perhaps we should add the names Acres, Cripps, Hutchins, Parker, Newnes to the list if we want to live in the past.
Thank god whoever at The Hanger is copying our threads left Carlisle & Lovett out of their appraisal.
Impatient Sainter wrote: ↑Mon 07 Jun 2021 8:59pm
From Zero Hanger - Saints have two of worst trade decisions.
1. Nick Hind
The Saints are battling, have no X factor and no rebound out of defence, yet for some reason they tried to turn Hind, who’s now having a stellar season for the Dons in defence, into a small forward.
It worked on the odd occasion but the fact the Saints had the foresight to draft him yet not use him in his proper position says it all. To then trade him to the Dons for an extremely low draft pick just rubs salt into the wounds.
Sharp recruiting from the Bombers, while it’s shaping as a shocking decision from the Saints and it’s not their last on this list.
2. Josh Bruce
Another decision that you’d think the Saints are probably regretting right now. While last year Bruce hardly set the world on fire, this season he is flying, and not just for marks either.
Sitting third on the Coleman leader board in a deadly Dogs forward line, Bruce spent the summer training with best mate (and Saints Co-Captain) Jack Steele, putting a firm focus on his fitness.
The results speak for themselves, and you’d have to think given the Saints woes in front of goal, not to mention the fact that they’ve thrown young key prospect Max King to the media wolves in recent weeks, that they could use Bruce’s experience and form in their current forward set up.
Another of the Saints blunders but understandable, the money required to pay Dan Hannebery to rarely play had to come from somewhere and Bruce was one of the casualties. Kudos to the Dogs for seeing his talent and making use of it.
They're not writing anything that some of us here didn't question or were crying out about at the time. That's why I've grown to dislike our club's so called professional football department and administrators. Incompetent imbeciles to say the least. Apart from Steele, most of our promising talent have gone backwards. The media are talking about Collingwood and Carlton going through a review of operations. Well, we should have been put through the microscope well before then. It's a crying shame having Finnis and Lethlean running this club!
I totally agree saintkid, especially the part about a full review of the club's operations. That's a given.
What I'm not in agreement about is the three players. Hind was a mistake, totally agree with everything written about letting Hind go. I don't care for what's written about the other two - there's no surprise this thread was not created last year.
Perhaps we should add the names Acres, Cripps, Hutchins, Parker, Newnes to the list if we want to live in the past.
Thank god whoever at The Hanger is copying our threads left Carlisle & Lovett out of their appraisal.
Who would you take now - Carlisle and Gresham or Parish? I don’t blame the club but they Essendon got the better deal in the end. Parish was sublime on the weekend.
Impatient Sainter wrote: ↑Mon 07 Jun 2021 8:59pm
From Zero Hanger - Saints have two of worst trade decisions.
1. Nick Hind
The Saints are battling, have no X factor and no rebound out of defence, yet for some reason they tried to turn Hind, who’s now having a stellar season for the Dons in defence, into a small forward.
It worked on the odd occasion but the fact the Saints had the foresight to draft him yet not use him in his proper position says it all. To then trade him to the Dons for an extremely low draft pick just rubs salt into the wounds.
Sharp recruiting from the Bombers, while it’s shaping as a shocking decision from the Saints and it’s not their last on this list.
2. Josh Bruce
Another decision that you’d think the Saints are probably regretting right now. While last year Bruce hardly set the world on fire, this season he is flying, and not just for marks either.
Sitting third on the Coleman leader board in a deadly Dogs forward line, Bruce spent the summer training with best mate (and Saints Co-Captain) Jack Steele, putting a firm focus on his fitness.
The results speak for themselves, and you’d have to think given the Saints woes in front of goal, not to mention the fact that they’ve thrown young key prospect Max King to the media wolves in recent weeks, that they could use Bruce’s experience and form in their current forward set up.
Another of the Saints blunders but understandable, the money required to pay Dan Hannebery to rarely play had to come from somewhere and Bruce was one of the casualties. Kudos to the Dogs for seeing his talent and making use of it.
They're not writing anything that some of us here didn't question or were crying out about at the time. That's why I've grown to dislike our club's so called professional football department and administrators. Incompetent imbeciles to say the least. Apart from Steele, most of our promising talent have gone backwards. The media are talking about Collingwood and Carlton going through a review of operations. Well, we should have been put through the microscope well before then. It's a crying shame having Finnis and Lethlean running this club!
I totally agree saintkid, especially the part about a full review of the club's operations. That's a given.
What I'm not in agreement about is the three players. Hind was a mistake, totally agree with everything written about letting Hind go. I don't care for what's written about the other two - there's no surprise this thread was not created last year.
Perhaps we should add the names Acres, Cripps, Hutchins, Parker, Newnes to the list if we want to live in the past.
Thank god whoever at The Hanger is copying our threads left Carlisle & Lovett out of their appraisal.
Who would you take now - Carlisle and Gresham or Parish? I don’t blame the club but they Essendon got the better deal in the end. Parish was sublime on the weekend.
David King please for the last time the pick we traded for Carlisle was after Essendons first which they used in Parish. We were never getting him.
samuraisaint wrote: ↑Sat 05 Jun 2021 10:56pm
Everything I could possibly dread as a footbal supporter has happened this year.
Key injuries to our very best players, other important players not being available for games, 100 point hidings, sides we beat easily last season going past us, and talented players losing all confidence.
Maybe I expect too much but the way the game ended today was really disappointing. I thought we had to get at least one of those last three shots and we failed to get any of them.
For me this season is very much like the ones circa 1979-1986 - we rely on cameos to get us over the line, and a lot of the players look totally devoid of confidence. In three of the last four games I have seen players drop their heads in the last quarter and it is a real worry.
I can see the Crows really taking us to the cleaners next week wherever we play them.
I really feel your pain but I cannot see the Crows beating us. Put your house on a St Kilda win.
If Tim, Max and Geary are all out next week, I would say that is highly unlikely.
Yep. I knew it. Very costly.
And now we've lost to last year's wooden spooner. A new low.
Ghost Like wrote: ↑Sat 12 Jun 2021 11:24pm
Not really a new low but let's be melodramatic and pretend it is. What will fix it? A healthy list plus three or an over the top list cull?
I thought it was a new low when there was no response from any of our players after Hunter got a broken jaw, yeah.
We should have really responded after that and gone for the kill, but oh no, not us.
Ghost Like wrote: ↑Sat 12 Jun 2021 11:24pm
Not really a new low but let's be melodramatic and pretend it is. What will fix it? A healthy list plus three or an over the top list cull?
I thought it was a new low when there was no response from any of our players after Hunter got a broken jaw, yeah.
I totally agree on that samuraisaint, I said as much to my wife. Sadly similar to 97 when the Crows targeted Harvey in the GF and we rolled over without a whimper, without a response.
To specify, that pick we had ended up being Aaron Francis after all the adjustments were factored in.
So it was Carlisle and Gresham v Francis. It's actually a deal we didn't do too badly out of, albeit Francis is improving after a difficult start to this AFL career.
Carlisle, at one stage, was probably the best player at the club and until his back injury, he was excellent. He battled away in 2019 - despite numerous errors - but his 2018 and 2020 years have showed that's all over for him. I actually quite liked his rucking game v WCE but his body doesn't stand up to the punishment any longer.
Ghost Like wrote: ↑Sat 12 Jun 2021 11:24pm
Not really a new low but let's be melodramatic and pretend it is. What will fix it? A healthy list plus three or an over the top list cull?
I thought it was a new low when there was no response from any of our players after Hunter got a broken jaw, yeah.
I totally agree on that samuraisaint, I said as much to my wife. Sadly similar to 97 when the Crows targeted Harvey in the GF and we rolled over without a whimper, without a response.
We lack leadership. Who calms the guy kicking for goal. Who is our backline general. Ah 97, i recall being baffled at Keogh jogging to the bench to start the game. he showed some bite towards the end of the year and thought he should have ruffled up the crows at the start.
Ghost Like wrote: ↑Sat 12 Jun 2021 11:24pm
Not really a new low but let's be melodramatic and pretend it is. What will fix it? A healthy list plus three or an over the top list cull?
I thought it was a new low when there was no response from any of our players after Hunter got a broken jaw, yeah.
I totally agree on that samuraisaint, I said as much to my wife. Sadly similar to 97 when the Crows targeted Harvey in the GF and we rolled over without a whimper, without a response.
We lack leadership. Who calms the guy kicking for goal. Who is our backline general. Ah 97, i recall being baffled at Keogh jogging to the bench to start the game. he showed some bite towards the end of the year and thought he should have ruffled up the crows at the start.
It was the pummelling Harvey copped that annoyed me most. Yes Keogh should have been unleashed but the supposed hardmen in Hall & Sierakowski should have taken out McLeod and/or Jarman. That sliding door moment alone made the missing of Spider and Lazar all the more stark.
What is unbelievable is that in the past few games some unbelievably embarrasing stats have come up:
We have only won 3 out of our previous 13 matches against North Melbourne.
We have lost 11 of our previous 13 matches against the Swans.
We have won only 2 of our previous matches against the Crows.
Now apart from the Swans who have won one Grand Final in that time, none of these sides have been particularly successful. Better than us obviouly but hardly world beaters except for the Swans in 2012.
How do we have people still at the club, players, coaches, administrators, who have presided over such a farcical situation for a decade - this is not on the senior coach btw, but on the people who have become wealthy during their time at the club while we have been so mediocre?
Ghost Like wrote: ↑Sat 12 Jun 2021 11:24pm
Not really a new low but let's be melodramatic and pretend it is. What will fix it? A healthy list plus three or an over the top list cull?
Lets throw a tantrum and cull the list like North.
That's bound to have an effect.
The more you know, the more you know you don't know.
When I was a young child, I knew that I knew so much about so much.
Now that I am old and know so much more, I know that I know so much about so little, and so little about so much.
If you are not engaging AI actively and aggressively, you are doing it wrong.
You are not going to lose your job to AI.
You are going lose your job to somebody who uses AI.
Your company is not going to go out of business because of AI.
Your company is going to go out of business because another company used AI.
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Ghost Like wrote: ↑Sat 12 Jun 2021 11:24pm
Not really a new low but let's be melodramatic and pretend it is. What will fix it? A healthy list plus three or an over the top list cull?
Lets throw a tantrum and cull the list like North.
That's bound to have an effect.
Can people actually read on this forum? I propose making sure our list is fit and healthy whilst we add 2 or 3 to it. I'm quite sure I'm against an over the top list cull.
Teflon wrote: ↑Sun 20 Jun 2021 7:59pm
See Battle.
Happening right now
Coffield will be next...we’ll try turn him into a forward ..
I'm not sure about the Battle analogy. If no one knows his best position or a new position to try him in, perhaps he's not the player we hope.
Coffield needs another two years at half back with the 2nd year being used to move him through the midfield. Hopefully Hill will get his act together back on the wing.
Would have been ok ten years ago as a CHF… but teams are instructed to not kick there anymore (shallow entries are frowned upon)
He seems too slow to play deep
He is not agile enough through the midfield, horrible below his knees.
Perhaps we can get some intel from all three of them, just by watching them in a new environment.
Obviously, we tried Long forward and then as a back and it hasn't paid off ..yet, anyway.
But HInd just goes in like a dream at Essendon. Fox called him 'recruit of the year' today. Hype maybe, but sometning has been going very right for him.
But maybe he is having a Butler-in- 2020 fairytale of a year, and next year...?? As other teams pay more attention to him? I'm grasping at straws.
