Goodes riddance, Eddie gone!

[saynta]

Thank the lord for not so a small mercy

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/edd ... 71dd.htmls

[CQ SAINT]

My best friend, a white man from a privileged background, was debating the validity of my work, which at that time was focussed on the reintegration of young Aboriginal offenders back into society after being detained in a youth detention facility.
His opinion was that their upbringing was the problem and their hatred of whites was due to the punitive justice they received from the courts for the way they behaved.
I told him that this wasn't isolated to black kids and he inferred that thieves were just thieves. While I didn't disagree, I invited him to the local IGA for the smokes test.
I'm older than him and earn more money than him, I own more wealth than him and Ive never stolen from a shop in my life but I guaranteed him that at this shop I would be treated differently to him because of my appearance. He laughed and said bulls***, so off we went.
I purchased a packet of smokes and waited as the white teenage girl hung onto the smokes until my EFTPOS transaction cleared. Then she passed me my smokes and said next.
It was his turn. The smokes were placed on the counter and she asked him for the price. His head dropped and he went even paler. He looked at her and asked why she held on to mine and not his. She readily replied that she was trained to do that and seemed really nervous and almost cried. We apologised for the fuss and we left, ensuring her that there would be no problem for her.
Id already spoken to the manager about this which was pointless really. It is the mess we have inherited in this previous penal colony built on someone else's land.
Do I let it get me down? I can't help it. I dont want my own children treated like that. I dont want their dignity shamed like that. I dont want the girl behind the counter fear me.
I'm not sure what the answer is, other than to raise me kids to value education, honesty and hard work. I dont want them filled with hate in a social system that will beat them into the ground for the colour of their skin, so I teach them tolerance.
I know how Harry O feels and I see Eddy as fear-filled little girl behind a counter holding on to his smokes.

An IGA is an Independently owned small Supermarket, usually owner operated. If a group of people be it junkies, gender, sexual preference, age, race, religion, bikie club, etc had an MO of ordering smokes and grabbing and running without swiping their cards would it not be prudent for an owner to mitigate his/her loss by training their staff to reduce the risk with a sales technique similar to what was utilised by the girl?

Is the IGA in an area where crime is prevalent and did you bother to ask the girl if smokes were stolen regularly and what technique was used in the theft? Did you study people buying smokes to understand if there was any other groups she was trained to mitigate against?

Was there any persons of indigenous background working in the IGA and if so so you watch their technique when selling smokes?

Did you take that one grab as your total sample size or did you delve further and understand the background to that behavior or was your mate to busy shooting the messenger and bullying a teenage girl about the way she was trained to do her job to gather any further information?

In your scenario, who is the racist here?
Is it the girl?
Is it the person who trained her?
Is it the business owner?
Or is it a society issue culminating an a specific issue in this small retail outlet?

Do you believe that the technique utilised & the training was purely based on skin colour with no reason for that business owner/ manager to implement such a procedure? Personally I would try and educate the shop owner to employ they safe sales technique for all cigarettes sold to ensure that no particular group feels they are targeted.

Personally I think racist behavior is abhorrent, but am equally vocal about about a grown man bullying a teenage girl at her place of employment and almost bringing her to tears.

But then again I don't agree with smoking at all or excessive alcohol consumption so I guess we all have our tolerances.

Lastly, I'm pretty sure Heritier prefers his birth name to "Harry O" .

I must say I do not agree with all of Heitier's comments, however I have nothing but respect for his stand against racism and for the courage he has shown to hold the course of his convictions and bring this behavior to a head.

Well done to that man for standing up for himself against the power and influence of a man of Maguires standing.

I dips me lid to you Heritier!

Hi Joffa.

I had extensive knowledge of that IGA before leading my friend there. I mentioned my futile attempts to discuss it with the owner who had previously employed young black people.
The organisation I worked for had compiled a number of complaints about various businesses and services that infringed of peoples rights. It was our mission to help protect them for them. This part of my work was very frustrating.

I set my friend up for a fall because he, like you, fostered alternative possibilities of why the smokes are held onto.

I assume the owner has insurance against loss. I know he has cameras installed. I assume he has trained his staff with techniques to minimise loss and I accept that he has every right to protect his business, part of which is selling cigarettes.
Im not particularly in favour of the use of fossil fuels but if I want to drive I consume them.
I no longer smoke, so I am enlightened to the benefits of not smoking. I'm unaware if studies suggest that mainly poor people or junkies or blacks smoke more than others, but if they can obtain them, they can smoke them.
Regardless of the possible motives for holding onto the smokes and you have mentioned a few, I am aware that there are antidiscrimination laws in this country, yet trying to pursue them when they have been denied to you is very difficult and well beyond the means of an Indigenous based community support service or its clients.
I'm also aware of age limits for buying alcohol and cigarettes, I understand these apply to selling them too.
My friend didn't attack her. He didn't raise his voice, he asked her a question.My guess is that the girl was very shocked that a white man was calling her out for discrimination, discrimination that just moments earlier he believed he would be a victim of. She was not ready or equipped for that question from that person. He was very civil and she looked guilt ridden. He was disappointed that he wasn't. Why, because he is a decent human being that believes the society he has benefited from offers those same opportunities to everyone equally and that if you modify your own behaviour you will be treated fairly.
Harry O didn't mind being called a Chimp. His alter ego Heritier, would not stand for it. There was context in my use of the name. I believe both Harry and I know the impacts of yielding to systemic racism and what that can do to your self image.
The racism does not belong to a person. There is an epidemiology attached to it. This is my point.

[ace]

You know so many indigenous persons and yet your best friend is a white man.
What characteristics make this white man stand out above all the indigenous persons that he is your BEST friend.

[happy feet]

Eddie should have been given the flick years ago. Eddie only looks after Eddie and the Collingwood Football Club.

The two clubs that stink the most in my view are Essendon & Collingwood. You can probably guess my reasons.

The more disruptions there are at those 2 clubs the better as far as I am concerned as hopefully it will lead to poor on field performances. We owe them nothing and if the situation was reversed Collingwood would be sticking the knife into us big time. Expressing dismay at Eddie’s departure is quite misplaced in my view.

We should only care about the Saints.

Fortius Quo Fidelius

[CQ SAINT]

You know so many indigenous persons and yet your best friend is a white man.
What characteristics make this white man stand out above all the indigenous persons that he is your BEST friend.

Hmmmm.
We share common interests. I moved to Central Queensland 25 years ago and we forged a strong bond through an Aussie rules football club we played for.
We both enjoy camping, live concerts and music festivals and have attended many of them together with other friends on an annual basis for over a 20 years. We both play ukulele and like to sing.
He introduced me to my 2nd wife 16 years ago and was my best man and I was his when he got married 4 years ago.
His boys call me uncle. My kids from my 2nd marriage have grown up with him around and they call him uncle too.
I dont know many Aboriginal people at all. Not sure why you assumed that. I worked in an Indigenous based organisation for 6 years with a few Aboriginal people and I worked for a community of Aboriginal people but I do not socialise with co-workers or clients as a personal choice. I find it confuses loyalties.
I was raised in Hampton in Melborne and never really saw many Aboriginal people in that neighbourhood. I saw them hanging around the parks in St.Kilda but I was never exposed to them in Hampton.
My friend has been a great friend, the best of friends. Apart from our common interests, there is a respect between us about our differences too, we debate those differences often and that also intensifies our friendship.
I have childhood friends that I have known longer but distance takes it toll on the intensity of relationships and people grow apart.
Thats a peculiar question Ace. What draws you to your friends?

[shanegrambeau]

Don't you love the 'Inclusiveness' topic? Starts with us trying to exclude each other, label each other, march each out into the stock yard, and brandish each other with a tar mark.


The best solution in make Collingwood the wooden spooners for 2021.

I thought it would be North, Gold Coast, perhaps an implosion at Essendon or Melbourne could send them to the bottom.

But no, Collingwood.

Woods for spoon in '21 and '22.

Buckley to retire Round 10, 2022 after 123 point loss to St Kilda in Launceston.

[The_Dud]

You know so many indigenous persons and yet your best friend is a white man.
What characteristics make this white man stand out above all the indigenous persons that he is your BEST friend.

[asiu]

classic

fridays winner

[asiu]

on thursday

[Scollop]

You know so many indigenous persons and yet your best friend is a white man.
What characteristics make this white man stand out above all the indigenous persons that he is your BEST friend.

Hmmmm.
We share common interests. I moved to Central Queensland 25 years ago and we forged a strong bond through an Aussie rules football club we played for.
We both enjoy camping, live concerts and music festivals and have attended many of them together with other friends on an annual basis for over a 20 years. We both play ukulele and like to sing.
He introduced me to my 2nd wife 16 years ago and was my best man and I was his when he got married 4 years ago.
His boys call me uncle. My kids from my 2nd marriage have grown up with him around and they call him uncle too.
I dont know many Aboriginal people at all. Not sure why you assumed that. I worked in an Indigenous based organisation for 6 years with a few Aboriginal people and I worked for a community of Aboriginal people but I do not socialise with co-workers or clients as a personal choice. I find it confuses loyalties.
I was raised in Hampton in Melborne and never really saw many Aboriginal people in that neighbourhood. I saw them hanging around the parks in St.Kilda but I was never exposed to them in Hampton.
My friend has been a great friend, the best of friends. Apart from our common interests, there is a respect between us about our differences too, we debate those differences often and that also intensifies our friendship.
I have childhood friends that I have known longer but distance takes it toll on the intensity of relationships and people grow apart.
Thats a peculiar question Ace. What draws you to your friends?

Ace is a f****** racist. He is obviously drawn to anyone with similar racist attitudes as his.

He is insinuating that you should maybe stick to your own kind and if you don’t maybe there’s a good reason. He is implying that you may NOT want to stick to your own kind because they are beneath you or perhaps you are embarrassed to, seeings though you have done relatively well for yourself. His attitude and those of many like minded will die the moment that they stop breathing...and hopefully they haven’t infected too many of their offspring with the racist virus that exists in their minds and hearts

Ace has lots of form. The first time I realised he was racist was when he found it important to comment on some of the indigenous players’ wives. He found it strange that some high profile AFL players were married to non-indigenous women. When I questioned his motives in the thread below, the coward couldn’t/didn’t respond

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=91763&p=1639269&hil ... w#p1639269

[CQ SAINT]

You know so many indigenous persons and yet your best friend is a white man.
What characteristics make this white man stand out above all the indigenous persons that he is your BEST friend.

Hmmmm.
We share common interests. I moved to Central Queensland 25 years ago and we forged a strong bond through an Aussie rules football club we played for.
We both enjoy camping, live concerts and music festivals and have attended many of them together with other friends on an annual basis for over a 20 years. We both play ukulele and like to sing.
He introduced me to my 2nd wife 16 years ago and was my best man and I was his when he got married 4 years ago.
His boys call me uncle. My kids from my 2nd marriage have grown up with him around and they call him uncle too.
I dont know many Aboriginal people at all. Not sure why you assumed that. I worked in an Indigenous based organisation for 6 years with a few Aboriginal people and I worked for a community of Aboriginal people but I do not socialise with co-workers or clients as a personal choice. I find it confuses loyalties.
I was raised in Hampton in Melborne and never really saw many Aboriginal people in that neighbourhood. I saw them hanging around the parks in St.Kilda but I was never exposed to them in Hampton.
My friend has been a great friend, the best of friends. Apart from our common interests, there is a respect between us about our differences too, we debate those differences often and that also intensifies our friendship.
I have childhood friends that I have known longer but distance takes it toll on the intensity of relationships and people grow apart.
Thats a peculiar question Ace. What draws you to your friends?

Ace is a f****** racist. He is obviously drawn to anyone with similar racist attitudes as his.

He is insinuating that you should maybe stick to your own kind and if you don’t maybe there’s a good reason. He is implying that you may NOT want to stick to your own kind because they are beneath you or perhaps you are embarrassed to, seeings though you have done relatively well for yourself. His attitude and those of many like minded will die the moment that they stop breathing...and hopefully they haven’t infected too many of their offspring with the racist virus that exists in their minds and hearts

Ace has lots of form. The first time I realised he was racist was when he found it important to comment on some of the indigenous players’ wives. He found it strange that some high profile AFL players were married to non-indigenous women. When I questioned his motives in the thread below, the coward couldn’t/didn’t respond

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=91763&p=1639269&hil ... w#p1639269

I'm aware Scollop. Patience and tolerance still apply.

[asiu]

you’re a good man CQ

nice work

in fact
... good onya everyone

i think we’ve done ok for Round 1

[Scollop]

CQ,

Some of these ‘ol pricks may be around for the next 30 years. I know that confrontation doesn’t go down well. I go ballistic on these sort of forums, but in the real world I think I understand what what you mean when I think of how tolerant and patient people such as Doug Nicholls, Marcia Langton, and Patrick Dodson have been

[ace]

You know so many indigenous persons and yet your best friend is a white man.
What characteristics make this white man stand out above all the indigenous persons that he is your BEST friend.

Hmmmm.
We share common interests.

Thats a peculiar question Ace. What draws you to your friends?

Same thing for me, common interest.
In snow skiing and engineering especially electrical engineering.

Got to work with guys from all over the world while working in Saudi Arabia.
From numerous Arab countries, India, Pakistan, Philippines, South Africa and Europe.
Still remain in touch with a number of former colleagues from India.
I got closer to them due a common interest in cricket while in Saudi, not much else doing in Saudi.

[samoht]

I stopped a ruffian from harassing/picking on a teenage indigenous girl, who saw her as fair game . .. the coward stopped picking on her at least, but king hit me 5 minutes later (when I least expected it) and just bolted.

I was 15 at the time, and I ended up with a broken nose; but I'd gladly do it again.

(We lived in the Surry Hills/Redfern area for a couple of years).

[CQ SAINT]

CQ,

Some of these ‘ol pricks may be around for the next 30 years. I know that confrontation doesn’t go down well. I go ballistic on these sort of forums, but in the real world I think I understand what what you mean when I think of how tolerant and patient people such as Doug Nicholls, Marcia Langton, and Patrick Dodson have been

Many years ago I had a reputation for confrontation Scollop. It isnt pretty.
Then I had to deal with my own teenage sons and realised I was the only one who could equip them with the tools to survive unscathed and not give up generations of tolerance and patience that ensured I could walk around with my dignity and self esteem. My father struggled with it too.
I have nothing to prove to anyone but myself and I have no greater cause than to teach my children to master their own emotions and prosper.
That's why I love football so much. It allowed me a bit of both sides in what was an acceptable platform for the rough stuff.
Barracking for St.Kilda is a bit the same. We all know that feeling.

[The Fireman]

keep up the good work guys we still have plenty of time before the footy starts to tear ourselves apart.

[asiu]

(We lived in the Surry Hills/Redfern area for a couple of years).

i knew it as Strawberry Fields

my boy lives in the thick of it now

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberr ... outh_Wales



ps
henry played in our side
bat bowl catch field like a big cat

beyond amazing reflexes

could mark a footy better than me
(that pissed me)

could sing like a bird
play an axe
got in the ring
threw himself off a three story roof , naked ,
on camera , made the news on telly

woulda walked away
but he let himself be carried

never heard him neg a soul


a truely honourable man
caught in his own mare


bless ya mate


pps
i was better at chess

me 1 henry 100

[asiu]

keep up the good work guys we still have plenty of time before the footy starts to tear ourselves apart.

god you’re a worry old timer

look at us all

Do(ing) Better

[skeptic]

Interesting

[The Peanut]

Eddy resigned under pressure but he managed to sneak away without saying sorry and it was very clear that he resigned under pressure and definitely not of principle. This page has more than it's fair share of rampant racist's too.

[shanegrambeau]

Eddy resigned under pressure but he managed to sneak away without saying sorry and it was very clear that he resigned under pressure and definitely not of principle. This page has more than it's fair share of rampant racist's too.

Lumumba is one of millions of victims that has to walk the walk like so many others.

Collingwood as an entity is not responsible for racism any more than they are responsible for the settlement of Australia as a penal colony or the genocide of Armenians in Turkey in 1916.

Anything that attempts to delineate the club from the rest of us, to isolate and funnel the guilt, anxiety, confusion, hypocrisy that we are all aware of relating to our identity, lack of identity, our complicity, our turning the other cheek....or the pragmatic decisions made on the back of assumptions we make about the bigotry and ignorance of others - like hedge funds short selling ... can be safety put to rest by laying it on the doorstep of Collingwood.

But we can't escape into relativism either by saying, 'Ah..it's all OK, because people in Africa are racist too (which of course they are...like anywhere)'. We can't even talk about 'place' period, because there is no 'place' for racism.

We can't cancel the conversation ...so we cancel the people and organization and 'lead by example'.

Terrifying...

EDIT

I'll leave the above. I feel unsettled and disturbed by my own words. If I offended anyone I am sorry. I honestly feel i am speaking where I should not...i am out of my league..Is it because I am a middel-class white guy? may so...anyway, Perhaps it is a conversation people like me should stay out of. Like a man trying to pretend he can speak for women? Duh...Geez.. So if skin me if you need to. I am out of my league...Too f'n big for me..

[asiu]

nah ... not to big

easy peasy in fact


we are all the same me , my friend

once we ‘perceive’ that ,
the other falls away
(of it’s own accord)

lesson learnt = no need for catalyst

[ace]

But Collingwood people sit on Ottomans so they are clearly to blame.
It was the Ottoman's who massacred the Armenians and dispersed them southward.

Armenia was an occupied territory of the Ottoman Empire.
The white Russians oops I am being racist, let me rephase that, the Czarist Russians joined world war 1 when the Austro-Hungarian Empire sent an army of clowns into Serbia in retaliation for the Serbian secret service arranging the assassination of the Arch Duke (crown prince).
The Russians had a defence pact with the Serbians.
The pompous clowns were easily defeated.
The Ottoman Empire was drawn into the war by a pact with the Austro Hungarians.

The Czarist Russians army came through the Caucasus mountains to attack Ottoman Turkey.
The crown prince of the Ottomans led an army north to ambush the Russians in the mountains.
He was successful but he had not prepared his army for the cold.
His army froze and starved, he returned to Istanbul without an army.

Where is your army ?
He could not answer truthfully so he claimed they had been wiped out by rebellious Armenians.
The Armenians clearly needed to be punished so those Armenians who were not killed were forced to move south through the Ottoman Empire.

So you see it was the Ottomans who committed genocide of the Armenians and as I explained Collingwood sits on Ottomans.

[CQ SAINT]

Eddy resigned under pressure but he managed to sneak away without saying sorry and it was very clear that he resigned under pressure and definitely not of principle. This page has more than it's fair share of rampant racist's too.

Lumumba is one of millions of victims that has to walk the walk like so many others.

Collingwood as an entity is not responsible for racism any more than they are responsible for the settlement of Australia as a penal colony or the genocide of Armenians in Turkey in 1916.

Anything that attempts to delineate the club from the rest of us, to isolate and funnel the guilt, anxiety, confusion, hypocrisy that we are all aware of relating to our identity, lack of identity, our complicity, our turning the other cheek....or the pragmatic decisions made on the back of assumptions we make about the bigotry and ignorance of others - like hedge funds short selling ... can be safety put to rest by laying it on the doorstep of Collingwood.

But we can't escape into relativism either by saying, 'Ah..it's all OK, because people in Africa are racist too (which of course they are...like anywhere)'. We can't even talk about 'place' period, because there is no 'place' for racism.

We can't cancel the conversation ...so we cancel the people and organization and 'lead by example'.

Terrifying...

EDIT

I'll leave the above. I feel unsettled and disturbed by my own words. If I offended anyone I am sorry. I honestly feel i am speaking where I should not...i am out of my league..Is it because I am a middel-class white guy? may so...anyway, Perhaps it is a conversation people like me should stay out of. Like a man trying to pretend he can speak for women? Duh...Geez.. So if skin me if you need to. I am out of my league...Too f'n big for me..

It really is quite cut and dry Shane.

As an employee or past employee of the Collingwood FC, protected by The Ant-discrimination Act 1975, The Fair Work Act 2009, The Victorian Equal Opportunity Act 2010, Victoria: Racial and Religious Tolerance Act 2001 and The Australian Human Rights Act, 1986, Lumumba need only complain that he suffered due to racial discrimination while employed by the club. He did that and by doing so, he walked the walk.

The CFC, by its own investigation into its handling of such complaints, was found to fail to address these complaints in line with the above legislation and in doing so, failed to protect, or even acknowledge they had a liability to protect Lumumba from harm. They didnt even have an organisational policy regarding racial discrimination until very recently.

Our (this forum, including me and you) opinions on racism, its origins in Australia and its impact on all sections of the community are irrelevant.

Eddie had no choice but to stand down and by the time he did, the Club realised the recriminations that his failure, (mistakes, as he referred to them) as their president, to deal with Lumumba's allegations, placed them in a dire legal situation.

How he could possible be deemed fit to stay in his office to address these issues now and move the club into a position to do better in the future is completely untenable.