Seb Ross Vs Dan Hannebery

[shanegrambeau]

There is no reason why Hannebery should not regain full match fitness by the start of Round 1, and play a full season without the need for a break.

Plenty of top players over the years that have suffered serious hamstring and allied injuries have been able to make complete recoveries and I am quite confident that the club medicos and fitness staff will have him do things that will ensure he is not at risk of further injuries, barring those that result from on-field collisions.

In regard to the topic, apart from anything else, the things that Dan has over Seb Ross are his great leadership skills and experience in marquee games, which will be really important if the team is going to go all the way. This was after all one of the main reasons the club brought him over from the Swans!

I think there's a difference between 'serious' injuries and 'chronic' injuries.

How many years now have both Sydney and St Kilda been trying to get DH right? 3? 4?

That's overly negative Dud, Hannebery was injured late 2018.....

He came to St Kilda in 2019 with a chronic hamstring injury that took forever to come good which is not unusual for that type of injury, thus only played 13 games in 2 years.

I'm banking on him getting his body right....

His body was shot his last two years at Sydney...

They said he was shot...

"He's had a couple of years, particularly last year (2018) where he's been a little bit banged up, but we're really confident we're going to get the best of Dan.”
I’m beginning to question Richo’s confidence...

...Tightness that scans can't explain and scar tissue that was been removed.....

Hannebaury was in trouble well before 2018...

https://www.triplem.com.au/story/damian ... bery-30485


When I read about surgery to remove scar tissue I think about the next surgeon lining up to do the next surgery to remove scar tissue.....

If he plays 12 games next season and 8 are decent or even three good, we will break even...

[Sanctorum]

For a bloke whose "body was shot his last two years at Sydney", Hannebery didn't do too bad, playing 23 games in 2017, 15 in 2018 before crossing to St Kilda.

Rest assured Dan will be mustard keen to prove to the club and all the doubters on this site that he can still play at the elite level and if he does he will most certainly make a huge contribution.

Comparisons to either the injury-prone Nathan Freeman or Jessie Smith are quite ill-founded!

[Ghost Like]

For a bloke whose "body was shot his last two years at Sydney", Hannebery didn't do too bad, playing 23 games in 2017, 15 in 2018 before crossing to St Kilda.

Rest assured Dan will be mustard keen to prove to the club and all the doubters on this site that he can still play at the elite level and if he does he will most certainly make a huge contribution.

Comparisons to either the injury-prone Nathan Freeman or Jessie Smith are quite ill-founded!

I love your passion Sancto and I truly hope it bares fruit. The interesting part is that Dan should have been keen after being traded by Sydney in an obvious ploy to relieve salary cap space. He was an absolute champion prior to his GF injury, sadly he's not come close since and we are paying him as if he has & will. Two years...tick, tock Dan.

[saynta]

Highly divisive thread giving arm chair 'experts' a free shot at two of our most valuable players.

After 4 pages of mostly uninformed rubbish, isn't it time to put this thread to bed.

[Sanctorum]

Highly divisive thread giving arm chair 'experts' a free shot at two of our most valuable players.

After 4 pages of mostly uninformed rubbish, isn't it time to put this thread to bed.

What else can we talk about saynta?? Agree this topic is well and truly covvered, as is whether or not Geary deserves to be in best 22 next year.

Can't think of anything else of a contentious nature, which indicates that the team is in excellent shape!

[skeptic]

I think it’s been a nice discussion

Maybe ppl could actually start new threads about interesting topics rather than constantly bringing the site down with moaning

[Ghost Like]

Highly divisive thread giving arm chair 'experts' a free shot at two of our most valuable players.

After 4 pages of mostly uninformed rubbish, isn't it time to put this thread to bed.

Aren't divisive threads the best threads for a forum?

This particular thread may be a question our selection committee ponders at some point.

This thread is also one of the more respectful "divisive" threads.

What is worse? An armchair expert on topics relating to a passion OR an armchair expert on armchair experts? Personally I enjoy the discussion.

[skeptic]

Highly divisive thread giving arm chair 'experts' a free shot at two of our most valuable players.

After 4 pages of mostly uninformed rubbish, isn't it time to put this thread to bed.

Aren't divisive threads the best threads for a forum?

This particular thread may be a question our selection committee ponders at some point.

This thread is also one of the more respectful "divisive" threads.

What is worse? An armchair expert on topics relating to a passion OR an armchair expert on armchair experts? Personally I enjoy the discussion.

Bingo... that’s kind of the point. Based on the make up of our list, it does seem that these two maybe competing with each other at some point.

I don’t really get the whole divisive thread point that’s been made by a few forumites...
Divisive against who? Are there going to be a bunch of forumites on SS that get behind either Ross or Hannerbery and deride the other?
Is the club going to read this and go... based on the interesting and well thought out points of that handsome forumite Skeptic we’ve decided to trade Ross.

It’s quite literally a talking point and ppl have been interested as evidenced by the four pages of discussion in this otherwise slow period of the off-season that’s hit here to.
To me, this discussion has been more interesting than the majority of the 7-8 articles posted here dredging up tired platitudes of how the club is more focused, and want success, and these players are training harder or ready to step up etc

[CQ SAINT]

The discussion has been surprisingly polite, but only because the preface is absurd. Ross vs Billings would be more interesting and more relative to the list and our increasing status as a destination club.
We are not going to delist Hanners. He may fall on his sword but we won't delist him and most definitely won't be able to trade him. That's why this is divisive.

[Joffa Burns]

Highly divisive thread giving arm chair 'experts' a free shot at two of our most valuable players.

After 4 pages of mostly uninformed rubbish, isn't it time to put this thread to bed.

Aren't divisive threads the best threads for a forum?

This particular thread may be a question our selection committee ponders at some point.

This thread is also one of the more respectful "divisive" threads.

What is worse? An armchair expert on topics relating to a passion OR an armchair expert on armchair experts? Personally I enjoy the discussion.

Sorry to break it to you guys, but remove divisive threads, comments by arm chair experts and ill-informed rubbish and there is not too many threads left on the board.

Perhaps we could all sit in a circle, hold hands and sing " oh when the saints" and marvel and gush at the saints.com articles when a link is posted on this site.

I think this thread was a decent hypothetical topic to discuss in the off-season and since the recent departure of some forum posters this thread was largely polite and reasonable.

[skeptic]

The discussion has been surprisingly polite, but only because the preface is absurd. Ross vs Billings would be more interesting and more relative to the list and our increasing status as a destination club.
We are not going to delist Hanners. He may fall on his sword but we won't delist him and most definitely won't be able to trade him. That's why this is divisive.

There never was a suggestion that we would. He’s under contract.

The question was more in the context of 2 similar players potentially competing for the same spot. There’s only so many tougher, inside, slower mids with less than elite disposal you can have in the team at one time. Steele has upped his game left them both in the dust... Crouch pbly walks in ahead of both too if he can stay fit, Jones too is ahead and Clark is being talked up as spending more time in the middle and is likely more ball winner than outside jet... guys like Hill, Billings, Gresh, possibly Higgins are more speed/line breaking and polish

Someone like Billings isn’t competing for a spot with Seb Ross... the selection of one will have little to do with the other... neither in terms of position or role hence IMO putting them together in the conversation doesn’t make sense.
It would be like saying pick one of either Howard or Paton... yeah their both defenders but it’s apples and oranges

What I was actually interested in seeing is who people rate higher... and a lot of people have made persuasive cases for one or the other... and there have been a lot of good arguments and different POVs to take away from this. For the life of me I don’t see that as being divisive... and again divisive to who?
As has been pointed out, a lot of the concerns have previously been covered but this thread has equally been about the strengths of both respective players (well maybe not equally but it’s been discussed).

[bangaulegend]

Highly divisive thread giving arm chair 'experts' a free shot at two of our most valuable players.

After 4 pages of mostly uninformed rubbish, isn't it time to put this thread to bed.

No disrespect mate but you are the biggest armchair critic out there

[CQ SAINT]

Fair enough. I like hypothetical discussion. History will definitely rate Hanners higher, St.Kilda will rate Ross higher.
A direct, who do you rate higher, without the hypothetical might not have been as interesting, I guess. Who would you trade would be boring too. Who has cost us the most and given the least might have been a little obvious? I dont know.
The Hanners trade and contract diatribe has been flogged to death though.

[The_Dud]

It’s not an opinion that DH’s two seasons with us have been ruined by injury, that’s a fact.

It’s not an opinion DH’s form has never again hit the highs of 2016, that’s a fact.

Don’t even need to be an armchair expert to see that.

[CQ SAINT]

It’s not an opinion that DH’s two seasons with us have been ruined by injury, that’s a fact.

It’s not an opinion DH’s form has never again hit the highs of 2016, that’s a fact.

Don’t even need to be an armchair expert to see that.

So i guess it's just a matter of whether he is 100 day aged and medium well or fully cooked.

[saynta]

Highly divisive thread giving arm chair 'experts' a free shot at two of our most valuable players.

After 4 pages of mostly uninformed rubbish, isn't it time to put this thread to bed.

No disrespect mate but you are the biggest armchair critic out there

You might not be trying to be disrespectful but your post is pure rubbish.

I never or very rarely criticise saints players , with the exception of several ex players.

Anyway, as always I will stick by what I have posted, as nothing posted since has caused me to change my mind in the slightest.

[sunsaint]

Fair enough. I like hypothetical discussion. History will definitely rate Hanners higher, St.Kilda will rate Ross higher.
A direct, who do you rate higher, without the hypothetical might not have been as interesting, I guess. Who would you trade would be boring too. Who has cost us the most and given the least might have been a little obvious? I dont know.
The Hanners trade and contract diatribe has been flogged to death though.

that subject aside, the broader discussion should not be blocked by the thought police tho

it has been a good thread to read - one of the few

[CQ SAINT]

Fair enough. I like hypothetical discussion. History will definitely rate Hanners higher, St.Kilda will rate Ross higher.
A direct, who do you rate higher, without the hypothetical might not have been as interesting, I guess. Who would you trade would be boring too. Who has cost us the most and given the least might have been a little obvious? I dont know.
The Hanners trade and contract diatribe has been flogged to death though.

that subject aside, the broader discussion should not be blocked by the thought police tho

it has been a good thread to read - one of the few

Definitely Sunsaint. That hasn't escaped me. Nor has my distaste for the hindsight heroes with selective memory and baseless opinions, stopped me from engaging in the conversation.

[saynta]

The Hanners trade and contract diatribe has been flogged to death though.

Ain't that the truth.

[Saintmike65]

Depending on how 2021 pans out, I reckon there's a better than even money bet Ross will trigger his free agency & leave, particularly if Bytel leap frogs him.

[Yorkeys]

Red Cadaux Vs Chautauqua ?

[saynta]

Depending on how 2021 pans out, I reckon there's a better than even money bet Ross will trigger his free agency & leave, particularly if Bytel leap frogs him.

[Vortex]

Fair enough. I like hypothetical discussion. History will definitely rate Hanners higher, St.Kilda will rate Ross higher.
A direct, who do you rate higher, without the hypothetical might not have been as interesting, I guess. Who would you trade would be boring too. Who has cost us the most and given the least might have been a little obvious? I dont know.
The Hanners trade and contract diatribe has been flogged to death though.

Clearly the inspiration for the OP.

Incidentally did you know media outlets now use highly soffsitcated software bots to prepare reports on what subjects will receive maxium clicks.

Take the Bytel story written by the Murdoch machine recently for exampl, the fact of the matter is, that article was prepared by AI and the only journalistic input was the byline. Barely any human input goes into most journalism and the Bytel article is exhibit A.

[CQ SAINT]

Fair enough. I like hypothetical discussion. History will definitely rate Hanners higher, St.Kilda will rate Ross higher.
A direct, who do you rate higher, without the hypothetical might not have been as interesting, I guess. Who would you trade would be boring too. Who has cost us the most and given the least might have been a little obvious? I dont know.
The Hanners trade and contract diatribe has been flogged to death though.

Clearly the inspiration for the OP.

Incidentally did you know media outlets now use highly soffsitcated software bots to prepare reports on what subjects will receive maxium clicks.

Take the Bytel story written by the Murdoch machine recently for exampl, the fact of the matter is, that article was prepared by AI and the only journalistic input was the byline. Barely any human input goes into most journalism and the Bytel article is exhibit A.

Thank goodness, for discussion forums like this one, for the enlightened, educated and informed posters that visit here. Lol.

Fortunately, I dont subscribed to any news media. My high school media studies course prepared me well. Back then, we had more journalists and less news reporters.

[Vortex]

Fair enough. I like hypothetical discussion. History will definitely rate Hanners higher, St.Kilda will rate Ross higher.
A direct, who do you rate higher, without the hypothetical might not have been as interesting, I guess. Who would you trade would be boring too. Who has cost us the most and given the least might have been a little obvious? I dont know.
The Hanners trade and contract diatribe has been flogged to death though.

Clearly the inspiration for the OP.

Incidentally did you know media outlets now use highly soffsitcated software bots to prepare reports on what subjects will receive maxium clicks.

Take the Bytel story written by the Murdoch machine recently for exampl, the fact of the matter is, that article was prepared by AI and the only journalistic input was the byline. Barely any human input goes into most journalism and the Bytel article is exhibit A.

Thank goodness, for discussion forums like this one, for the enlightened, educated and informed posters that visit here. Lol.

Fortunately, I dont subscribed to any news media. My high school media studies course prepared me well. Back then, we had more journalists and less news reporters.

Ironically anyone with a "smart phone" is a subscriber to countless media outlets.