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Re: Pick 21

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Ghost Like wrote: Mon 16 Nov 2020 9:16am I just went through Cal Twomey's November draft update and from his Top 25 prospects I counted 7 who have ties to clubs through this Next Gen Academy rubbish. So our Pick 21 is likely 28. I hope we've done our homework & have half a dozen names ready to call out should one of them slide.

God the NGA academies absolutely ruin the draft, doggies getting the best player in the land for 2nd rd's is rediculous


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Re: Pick 21

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ausfatcat wrote: Mon 16 Nov 2020 11:21am
Ghost Like wrote: Mon 16 Nov 2020 9:16am I just went through Cal Twomey's November draft update and from his Top 25 prospects I counted 7 who have ties to clubs through this Next Gen Academy rubbish. So our Pick 21 is likely 28. I hope we've done our homework & have half a dozen names ready to call out should one of them slide.

God the NGA academies absolutely ruin the draft, doggies getting the best player in the land for 2nd rd's is rediculous
It is. Disgraceful. Thank god they’re getting the ar$e at the end of this draft


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Re: Pick 21

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What determines whether a player is NGA or available in the open draft?


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Re: Pick 21

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longtimesaint wrote: Mon 16 Nov 2020 12:48pm What determines whether a player is NGA or available in the open draft?
https://www.afl.com.au/draft/nga-clubacademies

explains it a little


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Re: Pick 21

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Why do some clubs have huge chunks of Vic as well as huge areas interstate but others like st kilda only have a small melb area.....smells similar to zoning allocated to us before draft.
Hawthorn always said zoning was the making of the their club


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Re: Pick 21

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We got stitched up in the early 1970s when all the zones changed. We lost the Mornington Peninsula, which was ridiculous. That meant we missed out on players like Leigh Matthews and Dermott Brereton, along with many others. It was a turning point for our club and you have to wonder about the back room deals that were done to favour certain clubs. Since then, there have been clubs that have been able to gain influence and favourable deals from the AFL commission, while we have not.


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Re: Pick 21

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The same back room deals, elbow twisting, and palm greasing still plays a big part in how things work in the AFL. It was particularly bad under Demetriou.


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Re: Pick 21

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Of course, Demetriou has been embarrassed by a recent investigation intoCrown Casino money laundering,where he was exposed for lying to the investigation.....surprise, surprise


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Re: Pick 21 Who Are You Kidding

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Pick 21 Who are you kidding.
Ghost Like wrote: Mon 16 Nov 2020 9:16am I just went through Cal Twomey's November draft update and from his Top 25 prospects I counted 7 who have ties to clubs through this Next Gen Academy rubbish. So our Pick 21 is likely 28. I hope we've done our homework & have half a dozen names ready to call out should one of them slide.

Come the night there will be a lot of queue jumping for academy picks before St Kilda gets a look in.
Bulldogs - Jamarra Ugle-Hagan
Swans - Braeden Campbell
Port - Lachie Jones
Gold Coast - Alex Davies
Gold Coast - Joel Jeffrey
Sydney - Errol Gulden
Hawthorn - Connor Downie
Who have I missed, those picks will all come from behind and queue jump St Kilda.
Maybe Collingwood - Reef McInnes too.

If they are all the jumps then our first pick will be pick 28 on the night.


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Re: Pick 21 Who Are You Kidding

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ace wrote: Wed 18 Nov 2020 2:47pm Pick 21 Who are you kidding.
Ghost Like wrote: Mon 16 Nov 2020 9:16am I just went through Cal Twomey's November draft update and from his Top 25 prospects I counted 7 who have ties to clubs through this Next Gen Academy rubbish. So our Pick 21 is likely 28. I hope we've done our homework & have half a dozen names ready to call out should one of them slide.

Come the night there will be a lot of queue jumping for academy picks before St Kilda gets a look in.
Bulldogs - Jamarra Ugle-Hagan
Swans - Braeden Campbell
Port - Lachie Jones
Gold Coast - Alex Davies
Gold Coast - Joel Jeffrey
Sydney - Errol Gulden
Hawthorn - Connor Downie
Who have I missed, those picks will all come from behind and queue jump St Kilda.
Maybe Collingwood - Reef McInnes too.

If they are all the jumps then our first pick will be pick 28 on the night.
What will that change in terms of the players available to us?


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Re: Pick 21 Who Are You Kidding

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CQ SAINT wrote: Wed 18 Nov 2020 4:00pm
ace wrote: Wed 18 Nov 2020 2:47pm Pick 21 Who are you kidding.
Ghost Like wrote: Mon 16 Nov 2020 9:16am I just went through Cal Twomey's November draft update and from his Top 25 prospects I counted 7 who have ties to clubs through this Next Gen Academy rubbish. So our Pick 21 is likely 28. I hope we've done our homework & have half a dozen names ready to call out should one of them slide.

Come the night there will be a lot of queue jumping for academy picks before St Kilda gets a look in.
Bulldogs - Jamarra Ugle-Hagan
Swans - Braeden Campbell
Port - Lachie Jones
Gold Coast - Alex Davies
Gold Coast - Joel Jeffrey
Sydney - Errol Gulden
Hawthorn - Connor Downie
Who have I missed, those picks will all come from behind and queue jump St Kilda.
Maybe Collingwood - Reef McInnes too.

If they are all the jumps then our first pick will be pick 28 on the night.
What will that change in terms of the players available to us?
Players available will be unknown quantities but Gags has said Saints will not be targeting any type of player instead taking the best available at that pick.


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Re: Pick 21

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cwrcyn wrote: Mon 16 Nov 2020 7:57pm Of course, Demetriou has been embarrassed by a recent investigation intoCrown Casino money laundering,where he was exposed for lying to the investigation.....surprise, surprise
Demetriou also involved in an education scam company. The guy is as dodgy as they come and should be in prison IMHO.


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Re: Pick 21

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Jake Bowey (would have to change that name to Jack to fit in) is the same size as Lonie.
Shorter by 4cm than Gresham and Hill and 10kg lighter.


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Re: Pick 21

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SuperDuper wrote: Wed 18 Nov 2020 11:11pm
cwrcyn wrote: Mon 16 Nov 2020 7:57pm Of course, Demetriou has been embarrassed by a recent investigation intoCrown Casino money laundering,where he was exposed for lying to the investigation.....surprise, surprise
Demetriou also involved in an education scam company. The guy is as dodgy as they come and should be in prison IMHO.
Very true. From memory he had a role in the Essendope fiasco that was the equivalent of perverting the course of justice if those involved could have been charged criminally.


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Re: Pick 21

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SuperDuper wrote: Wed 18 Nov 2020 11:11pm
cwrcyn wrote: Mon 16 Nov 2020 7:57pm Of course, Demetriou has been embarrassed by a recent investigation intoCrown Casino money laundering,where he was exposed for lying to the investigation.....surprise, surprise
Demetriou also involved in an education scam company. The guy is as dodgy as they come and should be in prison IMHO.
I don't think any prison would take him.
All the prisoners would revolt in protest against being incarcerated with him.


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Re: Pick 21

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Back half of the draft.
Yes that is our position at 21 now but most likely 28 on the night.

AFL .com .au estimates a minimum of 50 to a maximum of 63 picks will be made this draft.
If we end up at 28 we could be at the beginning of the back half.
Picks 64, 67, 74 only if we want to compete with North for the last pick of the night.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/524855/how- ... afl-draft-


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Re: Pick 21

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I'd be very happy if we got either Brayden Cook or Caleb Poulter with our first pick.
Both are a good size and play forward/ mid with a bit of flair.
One or both may still be available for our pick, if not, Tom Powell is a ball magnet that might be a good fit.


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Re: Pick 21

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ace wrote: Thu 19 Nov 2020 1:32am Jake Bowey (would have to change that name to Jack to fit in) is the same size as Lonie.
Shorter by 4cm than Gresham and Hill and 10kg lighter.
I reckon we've got enough small players, Gresham and Higgins will alternate mid/ forward...Bowie too small & not physically strong enough, as is Lonie.


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Re: Pick 21

Post: # 1883177Post saintbob »

There’s a couple of Tassie boys that i’d be happy with if they’re still around when we get our first pick

Patrick Walker - can play through the midfield, wing or halfback with very good disposal on either side.

Ollie Davis - inside mid who can get forward and kick a goal or two.


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Re: Pick 21

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ace wrote: Thu 19 Nov 2020 10:25am Back half of the draft.
Yes that is our position at 21 now but most likely 28 on the night.

AFL .com .au estimates a minimum of 50 to a maximum of 63 picks will be made this draft.
If we end up at 28 we could be at the beginning of the back half.
Picks 64, 67, 74 only if we want to compete with North for the last pick of the night.
Though with all the Academy Picks (and multiple picks consumed to match bids) and with not all clubs taking 2 or more players in the draft while 21 slides back our other picks will slide forward.

There may well some worthwhile players still with our second and third picks if we still use them.


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Re: Pick 21

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Freebird wrote: Mon 16 Nov 2020 7:20pm Why do some clubs have huge chunks of Vic as well as huge areas interstate but others like st kilda only have a small melb area.....smells similar to zoning allocated to us before draft.
Hawthorn always said zoning was the making of the their club
Why does Collingfilth get Oakleigh? That's in our own backyard FFS!!


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Re: Pick 21

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What will that change in terms of the players available to us?
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