The New List

[ace]

I thought the AFL has said the enior list minimum size is 36 and maximum is 38 - is this correct?

Yes it looks like 38 seniors will be allowed, with 4 rookie A and 2 rookie B.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl ... 56dw9.html

I will amend accordingly.

[ace]

UPDATED for ED Phillips delisting

Preceding numbers are NOT player jumper numbers they are for counting purposes only
Numbers in the 2000s are the contract expiry years.
Blanks are not contracted yet.
List numbers assumed Senior 38, Rookie A 4, and Rookie B 2
Minimum draft picks 1

Senior List
1 Jack Billings - 2021
2 Josh Battle - 2022
3 Dan Butler - 2021
4 Ryan Byrnes - 2021
5 Jack Bytel - 2022
6 Jake Carlisle - on the table 2021
7 Hunter Clark - 2021
8 Oscar Clavarino -
9 Nick Coffield - 2021
10 Leo Connolly - 2021
11 Brad Crouch - 2024 +1
12 Luke Dunstan - 2021
13 Jarryn Geary - 2021
14 Jade Gresham - 2023
15 Dan Hannebery - 2023
16 Jack Higgins - 2023
17 Brad Hill - 2024
18 Dougal Howard -2024
19 Zak Jones - 2021
20 Darragh Joyce - 2021
21 Dean Kent - 2021
22 Max King - 2022
23 Ben Long - 2022
24 Jack Lonie - on the table 2021
25 Daniel McKenzie - 2022
26 Jonathon Marsh -
27 Shaun McKernan - 2021
28 Rowan Marshall - 2022
29 Tim Membrey - 2021
30 Ben Paton - 2022
31 Dylan Roberton - 2021
32 Sebastian Ross - 2021
33 Paddy Ryder - 2021
34 Shane Savage -
35 Jack Sinclair - 2021
36 Jack Steele - 2022
37 Jimmy Webster - 2022
Senior list must be reduced to activate more than one pick in the draft
Draft picks activated pick 21
Draft picks yet to be activated by list reduction picks 64, 67, 74

Rookie A
1 Callum Wilkie - 2021
2 ----------
3 ----------
4 ----------

Rookie B
1 Sam Alabakis -
2 ----------

More delisting required if AFL insist on more than one draft pick or St Kilda wants more than one pick.

The AFL and AFLPA may come to an agreement for season 2021 about this time next year.

[Wayne42]

Change in List Size numbers

2020 Total List Sizes: 38-47 | 2021 Total List Sizes: 37-44

2020 Primary List: 38-40 | 2021 Primary List: 36-38

2020 Cat A Rookies: 0-6 | 2021 Cat A Rookies: 0-6

2020 Cat B Rookies: 0-3 | 2021 Cat B Rookies: 0-2

A maximum of 38 players on the senior list, down from 40 this year. Teams will only have to select one player in this year’s draft if they wish.

[ace]

UPDATED for Jonathan Marsh delisting

Preceding numbers are NOT player jumper numbers they are for counting purposes only
Numbers in the 2000s are the contract expiry years.
Blanks are not contracted yet.
List numbers assumed Senior 38, Rookie A 4, and Rookie B 2
Minimum draft picks 1

Senior List
1 Jack Billings - 2021
2 Josh Battle - 2022
3 Dan Butler - 2021
4 Ryan Byrnes - 2021
5 Jack Bytel - 2022
6 Jake Carlisle - on the table 2021
7 Hunter Clark - 2021
8 Oscar Clavarino -
9 Nick Coffield - 2021
10 Leo Connolly - 2021
11 Brad Crouch - 2024 +1
12 Luke Dunstan - 2021
13 Jarryn Geary - 2021
14 Jade Gresham - 2023
15 Dan Hannebery - 2023
16 Jack Higgins - 2023
17 Brad Hill - 2024
18 Dougal Howard -2024
19 Zak Jones - 2021
20 Darragh Joyce - 2021
21 Dean Kent - 2021
22 Max King - 2022
23 Ben Long - 2022
24 Jack Lonie - on the table 2021
25 Daniel McKenzie - 2022
26 Shaun McKernan - 2021
27 Rowan Marshall - 2022
28 Tim Membrey - 2021
29 Ben Paton - 2022
30 Dylan Roberton - 2021
31 Sebastian Ross - 2021
32 Paddy Ryder - 2021
33 Shane Savage -
34 Jack Sinclair - 2021
35 Jack Steele - 2022
36 Jimmy Webster - 2022
37 ----------
38 ----------
Senior list must be reduced to activate more than two picks in the draft
Draft picks activated picks 21 & 64
Draft picks yet to be activated by list reduction picks 67, 74

Rookie A
1 Callum Wilkie - 2021
2 ----------
3 ----------
4 ----------

Rookie B
1 Sam Alabakis -
2 ----------

More delisting required if AFL insist on more than one draft pick or St Kilda wants more than two picks.

The AFL and AFLPA may come to an agreement for season 2021 about this time next year.

[saynta]

I always thought the AFL was saying 38 plus 4 plus 2. Don't know where 37 came from except clubs must have a minimum of 37 on the lists and a maximum of 44.

[Wayne42]

Savage gone now as well, that's 3 spots on the primary list now available.

[8bloggs]

I always thought the AFL was saying 38 plus 4 plus 2. Don't know where 37 came from except clubs must have a minimum of 37 on the lists and a maximum of 44.

I think it is: list = primary + rookies; 37 = list minimum = 36 primary + 1 rookie; 38 = maximum primary ; 44 = maximum list.

[ace]

UPDATED for Shane Savage delisting

Preceding numbers are NOT player jumper numbers they are for counting purposes only
Numbers in the 2000s are the contract expiry years.
Blanks are not contracted yet.
List numbers assumed Senior 38, Rookie A 4, and Rookie B 2
Minimum draft picks 1

Senior List
1 Jack Billings - 2021
2 Josh Battle - 2022
3 Dan Butler - 2021
4 Ryan Byrnes - 2021
5 Jack Bytel - 2022
6 Jake Carlisle - on the table 2021
7 Hunter Clark - 2021
8 Oscar Clavarino -
9 Nick Coffield - 2021
10 Leo Connolly - 2021
11 Brad Crouch - 2024 +1
12 Luke Dunstan - 2021
13 Jarryn Geary - 2021
14 Jade Gresham - 2023
15 Dan Hannebery - 2023
16 Jack Higgins - 2023
17 Brad Hill - 2024
18 Dougal Howard -2024
19 Zak Jones - 2021
20 Darragh Joyce - 2021
21 Dean Kent - 2021
22 Max King - 2022
23 Ben Long - 2022
24 Jack Lonie - on the table 2021
25 Daniel McKenzie - 2022
26 Shaun McKernan - 2021
27 Rowan Marshall - 2022
28 Tim Membrey - 2021
29 Ben Paton - 2022
30 Dylan Roberton - 2021
31 Sebastian Ross - 2021
32 Paddy Ryder - 2021
33 Jack Sinclair - 2021
34 Jack Steele - 2022
35 Jimmy Webster - 2022
36 ----------
37 ----------
38 ----------
Senior list must be reduced to activate more than three picks in the draft
Draft picks activated picks 21, 64 & 67
Draft picks yet to be activated by list reduction pick 74

Rookie A
1 Callum Wilkie - 2021
2 ----------
3 ----------
4 ----------

Rookie B
1 Sam Alabakis -
2 ----------

More delisting required if AFL insist on or St Kilda wants more than three picks.

The AFL and AFLPA may come to an agreement for season 2021 about this time next year.
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[ace]

McKenzie and Joyce still on the list because their contracts did no expire in 2020.
Marsh and Savage very unfortunate their contracts expired.
The world isn't fair but as Bill Gates said "get used to it".

[Yorkeys]

Is there a farewell event for the delisted/retiring group? How do those guys say goodbye and give us a chance to thank them/wish them well. Seems so clinically sterile the way they are shown the door. Surely having asked them for physical and emotional commitment (and fans having advised them how to go about it) for so long there should be a nice send off(s). ?? Not Cartier watches of course but something.

[saintly]

Is there a farewell event for the delisted/retiring group? How do those guys say goodbye and give us a chance to thank them/wish them well. Seems so clinically sterile the way they are shown the door. Surely having asked them for physical and emotional commitment (and fans having advised them how to go about it) for so long there should be a nice send off(s). ?? Not Cartier watches of course but something.

there has never been before,. why should this year be any different.

[ace]

So far 135 players have either retired or been delisted across the 18 clubs.
With list numbers effectively reduced by 2 (most clubs can't find enough eligible players to fill all rookie B vacancies).
That means 135-36 = 99 players need to be recruited from now as delisted free agents or grabbed in the national and rookie drafts to refill player stocks.
5.5 per club.
St Kilda presently has 3 senior and 3 rookie A vacancies to fill.

[Wayne42]

StKilda are moving Joyce and Clavarino to the Rookie list so 2 more senior list spots available.

[Stian]

StKilda are moving Joyce and Clavarino to the Rookie list so 2 more senior list spots available.

OK, my head hurts. So, how many new players now need to be added to the senior list???

[Wayne42]

StKilda are moving Joyce and Clavarino to the Rookie list so 2 more senior list spots available.

OK, my head hurts. So, how many new players now need to be added to the senior list???

Going by ace's list immediately above, that will make it 5 spots available on the senior list.

[George27]

StKilda are moving Joyce and Clavarino to the Rookie list so 2 more senior list spots available.

OK, my head hurts. So, how many new players now need to be added to the senior list???

I believe it is 5. I am guessing they will elevate Wilkie ( I know they don’t have to, but it is a statement that the guy has done so well ), add Frawley and draft 3 kids. Personally I would have preferred keeping Savage instead of a pick in the 60s.

[Stian]

StKilda are moving Joyce and Clavarino to the Rookie list so 2 more senior list spots available.

OK, my head hurts. So, how many new players now need to be added to the senior list???

I believe it is 5. I am guessing they will elevate Wilkie ( I know they don’t have to, but it is a statement that the guy has done so well ), add Frawley and draft 3 kids. Personally I would have preferred keeping Savage instead of a pick in the 60s.

Good on you George, thanks for that. BTW, I agree with you very strongly about Savage.

[Saints58]

I hear clubs can now redraft 2 delisted free agents to the rookie list and that has now been extended to 6 so what does all this mean can we redraft Savage and parker
Plus with OSCAR and Joyce on rookie list we are very small down back that is including Willkie only 191cm we will struggle against 200cm+ forwards like we did this season when Carlile was out.

[Impatient Sainter]

I hear clubs can now redraft 2 delisted free agents to the rookie list and that has now been extended to 6 so what does all this mean can we redraft Savage and parker
Plus with OSCAR and Joyce on rookie list we are very small down back that is including Willkie only 191cm we will struggle against 200cm+ forwards like we did this season when Carlile was out.

Dont forget rookies can play anytime - they dont have to be upgraded to play AFL, hence Wilkie still on the rookie list.

[CQ SAINT]

I hear clubs can now redraft 2 delisted free agents to the rookie list and that has now been extended to 6 so what does all this mean can we redraft Savage and parker
Plus with OSCAR and Joyce on rookie list we are very small down back that is including Willkie only 191cm we will struggle against 200cm+ forwards like we did this season when Carlile was out.

Dont forget rookies can play anytime - they dont have to be upgraded to play AFL, hence Wilkie still on the rookie list.

Plus if you add Wilkie now, you lose 80k cap space.

[ace]

UPDATED for Carlisle & Lonie re-sign
Clavarino & Joyce moved to rookie list
Alabakis retained as rookie B


Preceding numbers are NOT player jumper numbers they are for counting purposes only
Numbers in the 2000s are the contract expiry years.
Blanks are not contracted yet.
List numbers assumed Senior 38, Rookie A 4, and Rookie B 2
Minimum draft picks 1

Senior List
1 Jack Billings - 2021
2 Josh Battle - 2022
3 Dan Butler - 2021
4 Ryan Byrnes - 2021
5 Jack Bytel - 2022
6 Jake Carlisle - 2021
7 Hunter Clark - 2021
8 Nick Coffield - 2021
9 Leo Connolly - 2021
10 Brad Crouch - 2024 +1
11 Luke Dunstan - 2021
12 Jarryn Geary - 2021
13 Jade Gresham - 2023
14 Dan Hannebery - 2023
15 Jack Higgins - 2023
16 Brad Hill - 2024
17 Dougal Howard -2024
18 Zak Jones - 2021
19 Dean Kent - 2021
20 Max King - 2022
21 Ben Long - 2022
22 Jack Lonie - 2021
23 Daniel McKenzie - 2022
24 Shaun McKernan - 2021
25 Rowan Marshall - 2022
26 Tim Membrey - 2021
27 Ben Paton - 2022
28 Dylan Roberton - 2021
29 Sebastian Ross - 2021
30 Paddy Ryder - 2021
31 Jack Sinclair - 2021
32 Jack Steele - 2022
33 Jimmy Webster - 2022
34 ---------- Pick 21
35 ---------- Pick 64
36 ---------- Pick 67
37 ---------- Pick 74
38 ---------- Pick 93
Senior list must be reduced to activate more draft picks
Draft picks activated picks 21, 64, 67, 74 & 93
5 draft picks have been activated but could be reduced by adding a delisted free agent

Rookie A
1 Callum Wilkie - 2021 (last year allowed as a rookie)
2 Oscar Clavarino - 2021 (first of 3 years allowed a a rookie)
3 Darragh Joyce - 2021 (first of 3 years allowed a a rookie)
4 ----------
5 ---------- This can be a Rookie B if preferred

Rookie B
1 Sam Alabakis - 2021 (last year allowed as a rookie)

[ace]

It would seem that the delisting of Savage was a bit savage and premature ahead of AFL changing the rules on rookie listings.
St Kilda could not seriously be looking to use pick 93 that must surely be planned for a delisted free agent = Frawley.
Maybe the Saints could take Savage back as a delisted free agent as well.
Pick 74 will be about the last pick in the draft, 64 and 67 will be very late anyhow.

[Faulky63]

I would like to see Wilkie promoted of the Rookie List to utilise one of those later draft picks.
Then adding Frawley would use up 2 of the latter picks so we go with 3 picks.

[ace]

UPDATED for inclusion of James Frawley as a delisted free agent

Preceding numbers are NOT player jumper numbers they are for counting purposes only
Numbers in the 2000s are the contract expiry years.
Blanks are not contracted yet.
List numbers assumed Senior 38, Rookie A 4, and Rookie B 2
Minimum draft picks 1

Senior List
1 Jack Billings - 2021
2 Josh Battle - 2022
3 Dan Butler - 2021
4 Ryan Byrnes - 2021
5 Jack Bytel - 2022
6 Jake Carlisle - 2021
7 Hunter Clark - 2021
8 Nick Coffield - 2021
9 Leo Connolly - 2021
10 Brad Crouch - 2024 +1
11 Luke Dunstan - 2021
12 James Frawley - 2021
13 Jarryn Geary - 2021
14 Jade Gresham - 2023
15 Dan Hannebery - 2023
16 Jack Higgins - 2023
17 Brad Hill - 2024
18 Dougal Howard -2024
19 Zak Jones - 2021
20 Dean Kent - 2021
21 Max King - 2022
22 Ben Long - 2022
23 Jack Lonie - 2021
24 Daniel McKenzie - 2022
25 Shaun McKernan - 2021
26 Rowan Marshall - 2022
27 Tim Membrey - 2021
28 Ben Paton - 2022
29 Dylan Roberton - 2021
30 Sebastian Ross - 2021
31 Paddy Ryder - 2021
32 Jack Sinclair - 2021
33 Jack Steele - 2022
34 Jimmy Webster - 2022
35 ---------- Pick 21
36 ---------- Pick 64
37 ---------- Pick 67
38 ---------- Pick 74

Senior list must be reduced to activate more draft picks
Draft picks activated picks 21, 64, 67, & 74
4 draft picks have been activated but could be reduced by adding a delisted free agent

Rookie A
1 Callum Wilkie - 2021 (last year allowed as a rookie)
2 Oscar Clavarino - 2021 (first of 3 years allowed a a rookie)
3 Darragh Joyce - 2021 (first of 3 years allowed a a rookie)
4 ----------
5 ---------- This can be a Rookie B if preferred

Rookie B
1 Sam Alabakis - 2021 (last year allowed as a rookie)

2 rookie picks have been activated

[Saints58]

Did chips take a late draft pick gee this is confusing, if they elevate Willkie does that mean we have 3 picks then use 2 and what of the other one is that for another they have identified who is delisted.
And can they or will they relist parker, or savage, Marsh and if so would they be on the list or rookies. So many questions.
I would like your opinion please you guys are all very knowledgeable and helpful.