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Teflon wrote: ↑Sun 23 Aug 2020 11:49pm
Jack Billings had 5 disposals to 3qtr time while the Lions (thankfully) we’re happily missing goals
All from a supposed superstar in his prime that you’re telling me is going to go past J Kelly who actually IS a mid?
Anyhoo....gotta give to get
Robbing Peter to pay Paul all for 3 more disposals a game and less goals ...... and likely one less 1st rounder cause as you say Kelly is way superior than Billings
GWS will ask for the absolute world for a contracted Kelly ...... not sure why you don't get this
How we robbing Peter???
Ones a midfielder who sits 14 for avg disposals in the comp while our wing/HF sits 48th???
One gets clearances from stoppages CAUSE HES A GUN MID the other doesn’t get near it??
Who said getting Kelly was easy but if the ask is J Billings then yes please....where do I sign???
But according to you Billings is going to turn out a better player than Kelly .....oh right lol
Devilhead wrote: ↑Mon 24 Aug 2020 12:12am
I cant believe Billings let us down so badly - he must be scapegoated
He is the one we must blame for our 2pts loss to a 95% full strength Top 2 Bears (missing Rich) at the GABBA where they have won 14 out of there last 16 games.
Now you’re talking
Jacks a nice fella but absolutely replaceable
Do you know what a mid is? I heard today Jacks a “modern mid” he just doesn’t do centre clearance or stoppage clearances but he’s still a mid!!! Lol
Teflon wrote: ↑Sun 23 Aug 2020 11:49pm
Jack Billings had 5 disposals to 3qtr time while the Lions (thankfully) we’re happily missing goals
All from a supposed superstar in his prime that you’re telling me is going to go past J Kelly who actually IS a mid?
Anyhoo....gotta give to get
Robbing Peter to pay Paul all for 3 more disposals a game and less goals ...... and likely one less 1st rounder cause as you say Kelly is way superior than Billings
GWS will ask for the absolute world for a contracted Kelly ...... not sure why you don't get this
How we robbing Peter???
Ones a midfielder who sits 14 for avg disposals in the comp while our wing/HF sits 48th???
One gets clearances from stoppages CAUSE HES A GUN MID the other doesn’t get near it??
Who said getting Kelly was easy but if the ask is J Billings then yes please....where do I sign???
But according to you Billings is going to turn out a better player than Kelly .....oh right lol
You compare average disposals yet one averages 3 more per game than the other - that's less than one disposal per quarter
You also completely ignore the fact that one has kicked nearly twice as many goals as the other
Again Billings sits top 25 in overall possessions in the league and out that top 25 sits equal 4th on goals - thats pretty hard to replace
I also never said Billings was the better player - both midfielders but they play different roles and bring different attributes
Lastly GWS would hold the bargaining power - Billings and a top 10 draft pick minimum - and by the look of it we won't have a top 10 draft pick to give anyway
Teflon wrote: ↑Sun 23 Aug 2020 11:49pm
Jack Billings had 5 disposals to 3qtr time while the Lions (thankfully) we’re happily missing goals
All from a supposed superstar in his prime that you’re telling me is going to go past J Kelly who actually IS a mid?
Anyhoo....gotta give to get
Robbing Peter to pay Paul all for 3 more disposals a game and less goals ...... and likely one less 1st rounder cause as you say Kelly is way superior than Billings
GWS will ask for the absolute world for a contracted Kelly ...... not sure why you don't get this
How we robbing Peter???
Ones a midfielder who sits 14 for avg disposals in the comp while our wing/HF sits 48th???
One gets clearances from stoppages CAUSE HES A GUN MID the other doesn’t get near it??
Who said getting Kelly was easy but if the ask is J Billings then yes please....where do I sign???
But according to you Billings is going to turn out a better player than Kelly .....oh right lol
You compare average disposals yet one averages 3 more per game than the other - that's less than one disposal per quarter
You also completely ignore the fact that one has kicked nearly twice as many goals as the other
Again Billings sits top 25 in overall possessions in the league and out that top 25 sits equal 4th on goals - thats pretty hard to replace
I also never said Billings was the better player - both midfielders but they play different roles and bring different attributes
Lastly GWS would hold the bargaining power - Billings and a top 10 draft pick minimum - and by the look of it we won't have a top 10 draft pick to give anyway
You said Billings will end up in front of Kelly??
The guy sits in a wing/HF of course he’s going to kick more goals - he can’t win a ball in a contest to save his life and when we play top 4 sides (see Cats) this is where we get spanked
I don’t care if Billings kicks 10 against the Hawks - I’m after players who when things get hot can stand up
Jack Billings looks great when the side does (unlike J Steele who stands up against the tide)
Today when things were tough Jack Billings went awol and nit the first time either
Keep playing with stats - the guy is absolutely replaceable and if we are to attract a quality ball winning mid (which many suggest we desperately need) we need to offer up something decent
Jack will do nicely for mine followed by Jake
Devilhead wrote: ↑Mon 24 Aug 2020 12:12am
I cant believe Billings let us down so badly - he must be scapegoated
He is the one we must blame for our 2pts loss to a 95% full strength Top 2 Bears (missing Rich) at the GABBA where they have won 14 out of there last 16 games.
Jacks a nice fella but absolutely replaceable
Only 2 players above JB who are in the Top 25 in the league for Disposals and have kicked more goals
Devilhead wrote: ↑Mon 24 Aug 2020 12:12am
I cant believe Billings let us down so badly - he must be scapegoated
He is the one we must blame for our 2pts loss to a 95% full strength Top 2 Bears (missing Rich) at the GABBA where they have won 14 out of there last 16 games.
Jacks a nice fella but absolutely replaceable
Only 2 players above JB who are in the Top 25 in the league for Disposals and have kicked more goals
All of those players can win a clearance....what’s Jack missing ???
Based on your numbers he’s better than the Bont!!!
Should be a straight swap for Kelly then cause Jacks kicked more goals....lol
Devilhead wrote: ↑Mon 24 Aug 2020 12:12am
I cant believe Billings let us down so badly - he must be scapegoated
He is the one we must blame for our 2pts loss to a 95% full strength Top 2 Bears (missing Rich) at the GABBA where they have won 14 out of there last 16 games.
Jacks a nice fella but absolutely replaceable
Only 2 players above JB who are in the Top 25 in the league for Disposals and have kicked more goals
Devilhead wrote: ↑Mon 24 Aug 2020 12:12am
I cant believe Billings let us down so badly - he must be scapegoated
He is the one we must blame for our 2pts loss to a 95% full strength Top 2 Bears (missing Rich) at the GABBA where they have won 14 out of there last 16 games.
Jacks a nice fella but absolutely replaceable
Only 2 players above JB who are in the Top 25 in the league for Disposals and have kicked more goals
All of those players can win a clearance....what’s Jack missing ???
Based on your numbers he’s better than the Bont!!!
Should be a straight swap for Kelly then cause Jacks kicked more goals....lol
Bont averages 5 clearances a game - Billings 2 (without playing at the coalface) - so less than 1 more per quarter
Petracca 3.8 - Menegola 2.3
Neale 5.6 - but he is the hottest Brownlow favourite in years
Devilhead wrote: ↑Mon 24 Aug 2020 12:12am
I cant believe Billings let us down so badly - he must be scapegoated
He is the one we must blame for our 2pts loss to a 95% full strength Top 2 Bears (missing Rich) at the GABBA where they have won 14 out of there last 16 games.
Jacks a nice fella but absolutely replaceable
Only 2 players above JB who are in the Top 25 in the league for Disposals and have kicked more goals
Devilhead wrote: ↑Mon 24 Aug 2020 12:12am
I cant believe Billings let us down so badly - he must be scapegoated
He is the one we must blame for our 2pts loss to a 95% full strength Top 2 Bears (missing Rich) at the GABBA where they have won 14 out of there last 16 games.
Jacks a nice fella but absolutely replaceable
Only 2 players above JB who are in the Top 25 in the league for Disposals and have kicked more goals
All of those players can win a clearance....what’s Jack missing ???
Based on your numbers he’s better than the Bont!!!
Should be a straight swap for Kelly then cause Jacks kicked more goals....lol
Bont averages 5 clearances a game - Billings 2 (without playing at the coalface) - so less than 1 more per quarter
Petracca 3.8 - Menegola 2.3
Neale 5.6 - but he is the hottest Brownlow favourite in years
I thought you didn’t like averages?????
Bonts had 65 clearances
Jack 27
Devilhead wrote: ↑Mon 24 Aug 2020 12:12am
I cant believe Billings let us down so badly - he must be scapegoated
He is the one we must blame for our 2pts loss to a 95% full strength Top 2 Bears (missing Rich) at the GABBA where they have won 14 out of there last 16 games.
Jacks a nice fella but absolutely replaceable
Only 2 players above JB who are in the Top 25 in the league for Disposals and have kicked more goals
All of those players can win a clearance....what’s Jack missing ???
Based on your numbers he’s better than the Bont!!!
Should be a straight swap for Kelly then cause Jacks kicked more goals....lol
Bont averages 5 clearances a game - Billings 2 (without playing at the coalface) - so less than 1 more per quarter
Petracca 3.8 - Menegola 2.3
Neale 5.6 - but he is the hottest Brownlow favourite in years
I thought you didn’t like averages?????
Bonts had 65 clearances
Jack 27
But again he’s a modern mid...
Bont plays at the coalface Billings doesn't - they play different roles
Bont averages 1 more disposal than JB per game - Bont goes at 65% efficiency - JB 70%
Teflon wrote: ↑Mon 24 Aug 2020 1:23am
Stats are always interesting
Have a guess how many goals Jacks kicked against
Cats
Tigers
Power
Pies
Lions ??????
1.
Anyone for some downhill skiing?
Yes stats are-
Billings had 25 possessions v Richmond & 22 against Port - above his average - we won both games
He had 17 & 1 goal against the Cats on a down day for the whole team
Lions 15 and should have had 2 goals were it not for Dim Tim stopping him on the goal line
He had a filthy game vs the Pies as did the whole team
All probably while trying to shake a hard tag
Billings ain't the problem and trading him away won't fix it
Billings game was really poor, the replay is not flattering, good on him for increasing his output in the 3rd but when you lose a close one like that it's the 3 quarters that he was unavailable for that costs 4 points.
King is a massive work in progress and as I've said before if we had a feeder comp he would be given a rest from senior footy.
The Asterisk cup is taking it's toll, players look like they are rusty robots in many of the set plays. A lot of sore bodies. Let's hope our best 22 survive the season without an injury deficit to contend with over summer.
Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Mon 24 Aug 2020 11:04am
Billings game was really poor, the replay is not flattering, good on him for increasing his output in the 3rd but when you lose a close one like that it's the 3 quarters that he was unavailable for that costs 4 points.
King is a massive work in progress and as I've said before if we had a feeder comp he would be given a rest from senior footy.
The Asterisk cup is taking it's toll, players look like they are rusty robots in many of the set plays. A lot of sore bodies. Let's hope our best 22 survive the season without an injury deficit to contend with over summer.
It was a weird game as other than Steele and Jones for us and maybe McCluggage and Berry no one really played four quarters of good mid field football.
Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Mon 24 Aug 2020 11:04am
Billings game was really poor, the replay is not flattering, good on him for increasing his output in the 3rd but when you lose a close one like that it's the 3 quarters that he was unavailable for that costs 4 points.
King is a massive work in progress and as I've said before if we had a feeder comp he would be given a rest from senior footy.
The Asterisk cup is taking it's toll, players look like they are rusty robots in many of the set plays. A lot of sore bodies. Let's hope our best 22 survive the season without an injury deficit to contend with over summer.
It was a weird game as other than Steele and Jones for us and maybe McCluggage and Berry no one really played four quarters of good mid field football.
Yeah the "festival of footy", (that bit of AFL PR genius still cracks me up), looks like it's taking it's toll. It's usully about this time of year the top 4 teams, or teams that are secure in their ladder postion start a training load in prep for finals but this year the prep will be on a bananna lounge around the resort swimming pool and at most a game for those that can still move 3 days after a game, a game of golf.
I guess not many of us have had those days where nothing sticks no matter how you try. Notice how the smooth flight of a perfectly spinning ball on TV can seem like a dipping wrong un from Warney wobbling on its knuckle breaking axis when you are trying to catch it in person under pressure. Billings and King are very good. Their effort was there. King was on the AA full back and delivery was problematic. Billings fighting through his first 3 quarters and staring in the last was a tribute to his resolve and commitment. Lions are a top side and to expect players to be in the votes every week or "off with their heads" may be too much like irrational me carrying on in front of the TV yesterday. Made me feel a bit better but really it was silly.
Devilhead wrote: ↑Mon 24 Aug 2020 12:12am
I cant believe Billings let us down so badly - he must be scapegoated
He is the one we must blame for our 2pts loss to a 95% full strength Top 2 Bears (missing Rich) at the GABBA where they have won 14 out of there last 16 games.
Jacks a nice fella but absolutely replaceable
Only 2 players above JB who are in the Top 25 in the league for Disposals and have kicked more goals
All of those players can win a clearance....what’s Jack missing ???
Based on your numbers he’s better than the Bont!!!
Should be a straight swap for Kelly then cause Jacks kicked more goals....lol
Bont averages 5 clearances a game - Billings 2 (without playing at the coalface) - so less than 1 more per quarter
Petracca 3.8 - Menegola 2.3
Neale 5.6 - but he is the hottest Brownlow favourite in years
I thought you didn’t like averages?????
Bonts had 65 clearances
Jack 27
But again he’s a modern mid...
Billings does get a lot of the ball, and this is a plus but his high possession count is often inflated by receiving return handballs. He does have a good looking style on his left boot and he can kick distance, but he too often misses targets. He is at his best when he is after the contested ball, and his final quarter goal was sensational. More often than not though, he is an outside receiver. He is not often given a tag, which likely reflects how other coaches rate him. I doubt other teams would pay near the 800k that we reportedly do.
Devilhead wrote: ↑Mon 24 Aug 2020 12:12am
I cant believe Billings let us down so badly - he must be scapegoated
He is the one we must blame for our 2pts loss to a 95% full strength Top 2 Bears (missing Rich) at the GABBA where they have won 14 out of there last 16 games.
Jacks a nice fella but absolutely replaceable
Only 2 players above JB who are in the Top 25 in the league for Disposals and have kicked more goals
All of those players can win a clearance....what’s Jack missing ???
Based on your numbers he’s better than the Bont!!!
Should be a straight swap for Kelly then cause Jacks kicked more goals....lol
Bont averages 5 clearances a game - Billings 2 (without playing at the coalface) - so less than 1 more per quarter
Petracca 3.8 - Menegola 2.3
Neale 5.6 - but he is the hottest Brownlow favourite in years
I thought you didn’t like averages?????
Bonts had 65 clearances
Jack 27
But again he’s a modern mid...
Billings does get a lot of the ball, and this is a plus but his high possession count is often inflated by receiving return handballs. He does have a good looking style on his left boot and he can kick distance, but he too often misses targets. He is at his best when he is after the contested ball, and his final quarter goal was sensational. More often than not though, he is an outside receiver. He is not often given a tag, which likely reflects how other coaches rate him. I doubt other teams would pay near the 800k that we reportedly do.
Show me a high stat winner and I will show you the handball receives and returns. They all do it. Billings by the way gets the defensive wingman more often than not.
Billings has had a very consistent year, he is not the problem, would be top 5 in the b&f this year.
Managed to turn his game around yesterday and was nearly the difference in the last quarter. Maybe the coach needed to pull the trigger earlier, who knows.
All posters are equal, but some posters are more equal than others.
The_Dud wrote: ↑Mon 24 Aug 2020 1:39pm
Billings has had a very consistent year, he is not the problem, would be top 5 in the b&f this year.
Managed to turn his game around yesterday and was nearly the difference in the last quarter. Maybe the coach needed to pull the trigger earlier, who knows.
Agreed.
Good player and certainly fits the build for what we need more of. He and Hill and are no doubt the 2 of the main focal points for opposition coaches to target.
Both are very damaging when they are able to accumulate possessions.
Obviously JB was beaten for 3/4 yesterday but as Dud says, has been good this year. Certainly not the problem.
