Paddy McCartin

[6621104]

In regard the reference to gestational diabetes there are many who successfully manage this conductus. Including in sporting careers and with the support of medical science

Your reference identifies you as bigoted and uneducated



I didn't realise Paddy now identifies as a female- and so relax one and all, he must be looking to join the AFLW team. Gestational diabetes is a transient condition so it is perfectly possible it has resolved. What is the name of his child?

[Secret Kiel]

Are you seriously suggesting that Paddy McCartin succeed Paddy Ryder as St Kilda's #1 tap ruckman? What makes you think that Paddy Mc can ruck at the elite level?

I also wonder how you arrive at your assertion that "We owe it to him to help him out whatever way we can". In what way does the St Kilda FC owe Paddy McCartin anything - have they in some way not done the right thing by him previously, or been negligent in their duty of care somehow??

I bear no ill-will or have any criticism of Paddy McCartin, and feel really sorry for the man because he has not been able to live up to the expectations everyone had for him, and more so, that he has not achieved the standard normally expected of a #1 draft pick which I imagine must weigh on his mind. But as I have posted before, I would hate to see him suffer further damage to his brain and suffer declining health as he gets older.

Nope. I don't think Paddy could replace him as the number 1 banana. But by the time Ryder's retirement date comes around we need to have a succession plan. A couple of options. Recruit another A grade ruckman. Or bring in Paddy Mac to play forward and share ruck duties in the forward line with RoMa doing most of the ruck work for more than 85% game time.

Whether it's Paddy Mac or not, when Ryder retires we are short one tall forward and one ruckman so Paddy Mac is chocka full stacked with natural talent and he would come cheaply so if he ticks all the health boxes then there will be 18 clubs climbing over themselves to grab him.

All the other guff about what you or other people think about his diabetes and previous concussion issues will be completely irrelevant. As they say, if there is grass on the pitch, let's play. And so yes, we owe it to Paddy to pick him because he's kept his end of the bargain by turning over every stone he can to get himself right, and the club are on the record as saying if he does that the club will put him back on the list. There is an understanding in place and we are an honorable club.

[saynta]

I thought you hold yourself out as close to the club.

So how come you are not aware we already have three other ruckmen.

One devoloped..Abbott and two developing....Bell and Alabakis..

Ruckmen is one thing we we are not short on...despite your claim otherwise.

[Secret Kiel]

I thought you hold yourself out as close to the club.

So how come you are not aware we already have three other ruckmen.

One devoloped..Abbott and two developing....Bell and Alabakis..

Ruckmen is one thing we we are not short on...despite your claim otherwise.

Probably all 3 won't be on the list by the time Paddy retires.

[saynta]

I thought you hold yourself out as close to the club.

So how come you are not aware we already have three other ruckmen.

One devoloped..Abbott and two developing....Bell and Alabakis..

Ruckmen is one thing we we are not short on...despite your claim otherwise.

Probably all 3 won't be on the list by the time Paddy retires.

Crap.

[Enrico_Misso]

McCartin is in control of his own destiny - his connection with St Kilda offering opportunity if he so desires and can so present

In regard the reference to gestational diabetes there are many who successfully manage this conductus. Including in sporting careers and with the support of medical science

Your reference identifies you as bigoted and uneducated

Medical science is leading the response to the virus of unknown source noting the strain now identified is the result of a family of 4 entering Austrakia, 2 of them infected

And that is its own commentary of this Pandemic and the dangers it presents - globally as figures attest

With this Pandemic we all live in glass houses

Disagree

1. Diabetes may or may not be manageable (at a cost)
2. Cumulative concussions. Massive risk. Uncontrollable
3. Loss of match seasoning, tempo of game etc,, maybe
4. Political/media/scrutiny , determined by stuff outside our control
5. Trigger happy, cancel culture warriors parading their credentials ...there is no stopping them. It’s bigger than the pandemic itself. Bigoted? Please. Of course.

Can also add
6. Paddy has a history of lack of awareness that puts his head in places that most others instinctively don't.
There is nothing to suggest he can change that.
Call it the Kosi factor.

[Secret Kiel]

I thought you hold yourself out as close to the club.

So how come you are not aware we already have three other ruckmen.

One devoloped..Abbott and two developing....Bell and Alabakis..

Ruckmen is one thing we we are not short on...despite your claim otherwise.

Probably all 3 won't be on the list by the time Paddy retires.

Crap.

Best to check the nappy then.

[bangaulegend]

I would love a fairy tail ending for Paddy but his personal health is way above football . As much as we are obligated to do the right thing by Paddy (IMO only )the right thing to do for Paddy is to stop playing footy especially at AFL level but probably all levels.

[Sanctorum]

I thought you hold yourself out as close to the club.

So how come you are not aware we already have three other ruckmen.

One devoloped..Abbott and two developing....Bell and Alabakis..

Ruckmen is one thing we we are not short on...despite your claim otherwise.

Probably all 3 won't be on the list by the time Paddy retires.

Crap.

Double crap

[spert]

Paddy would need to wear a metal Ned Kelly helmet if he played again. Too many concussions and should not risk his long-term health.

[Saintmatt]

I thought you hold yourself out as close to the club.

So how come you are not aware we already have three other ruckmen.

One devoloped..Abbott and two developing....Bell and Alabakis..

Ruckmen is one thing we we are not short on...despite your claim otherwise.

Probably all 3 won't be on the list by the time Paddy retires.

Crap.

Double crap

Pretty sure Abbot will still be on the list. I'm really happy he's on our list as a 3rd banana - got some useful forward skills too.

[Joffa Burns]

Are you seriously suggesting that Paddy McCartin succeed Paddy Ryder as St Kilda's #1 tap ruckman? What makes you think that Paddy Mc can ruck at the elite level?

I also wonder how you arrive at your assertion that "We owe it to him to help him out whatever way we can". In what way does the St Kilda FC owe Paddy McCartin anything - have they in some way not done the right thing by him previously, or been negligent in their duty of care somehow??

I bear no ill-will or have any criticism of Paddy McCartin, and feel really sorry for the man because he has not been able to live up to the expectations everyone had for him, and more so, that he has not achieved the standard normally expected of a #1 draft pick which I imagine must weigh on his mind. But as I have posted before, I would hate to see him suffer further damage to his brain and suffer declining health as he gets older.

Nope. I don't think Paddy could replace him as the number 1 banana. But by the time Ryder's retirement date comes around we need to have a succession plan. A couple of options. Recruit another A grade ruckman. Or bring in Paddy Mac to play forward and share ruck duties in the forward line with RoMa doing most of the ruck work for more than 85% game time.

Whether it's Paddy Mac or not, when Ryder retires we are short one tall forward and one ruckman so Paddy Mac is chocka full stacked with natural talent and he would come cheaply so if he ticks all the health boxes then there will be 18 clubs climbing over themselves to grab him.

All the other guff about what you or other people think about his diabetes and previous concussion issues will be completely irrelevant. As they say, if there is grass on the pitch, let's play. And so yes, we owe it to Paddy to pick him because he's kept his end of the bargain by turning over every stone he can to get himself right, and the club are on the record as saying if he does that the club will put him back on the list. There is an understanding in place and we are an honorable club.

Yep lets bring back a 193cm forward/ruckman who lacks athleticism, the physical make up to be an elite athlete, could not run at a reasonable AFL level when playing full time and had an ordinary leap to be our new forward ruck.

Not to mention Diabetes and serious concussion issues.

While were doing this do you think it would be a good idea to play Max King at sandy while he gets his feet at AFL level?

[SaintPav]

Are you seriously suggesting that Paddy McCartin succeed Paddy Ryder as St Kilda's #1 tap ruckman? What makes you think that Paddy Mc can ruck at the elite level?

I also wonder how you arrive at your assertion that "We owe it to him to help him out whatever way we can". In what way does the St Kilda FC owe Paddy McCartin anything - have they in some way not done the right thing by him previously, or been negligent in their duty of care somehow??

I bear no ill-will or have any criticism of Paddy McCartin, and feel really sorry for the man because he has not been able to live up to the expectations everyone had for him, and more so, that he has not achieved the standard normally expected of a #1 draft pick which I imagine must weigh on his mind. But as I have posted before, I would hate to see him suffer further damage to his brain and suffer declining health as he gets older.

Nope. I don't think Paddy could replace him as the number 1 banana. But by the time Ryder's retirement date comes around we need to have a succession plan. A couple of options. Recruit another A grade ruckman. Or bring in Paddy Mac to play forward and share ruck duties in the forward line with RoMa doing most of the ruck work for more than 85% game time.

Whether it's Paddy Mac or not, when Ryder retires we are short one tall forward and one ruckman so Paddy Mac is chocka full stacked with natural talent and he would come cheaply so if he ticks all the health boxes then there will be 18 clubs climbing over themselves to grab him.

All the other guff about what you or other people think about his diabetes and previous concussion issues will be completely irrelevant. As they say, if there is grass on the pitch, let's play. And so yes, we owe it to Paddy to pick him because he's kept his end of the bargain by turning over every stone he can to get himself right, and the club are on the record as saying if he does that the club will put him back on the list. There is an understanding in place and we are an honorable club.

Yep lets bring back a 193cm forward/ruckman who lacks athleticism, the physical make up to be an elite athlete, could not run at a reasonable AFL level when playing full time and had an ordinary leap to be our new forward ruck.

Not to mention Diabetes and serious concussion issues.

While were doing this do you think it would be a good idea to play Max King at sandy while he gets his feet at AFL level?

Young fella is gonna be a real bewdy.

[Joffa Burns]

I thought you hold yourself out as close to the club.

So how come you are not aware we already have three other ruckmen.

One devoloped..Abbott and two developing....Bell and Alabakis..

Ruckmen is one thing we we are not short on...despite your claim otherwise.

Probably all 3 won't be on the list by the time Paddy retires.

Crap.

Double crap

Pretty sure Abbot will still be on the list. I'm really happy he's on our list as a 3rd banana - got some useful forward skills too.

We crept under Geelongs radar to grab Abbott, perhaps they'll do us a favor and do the same with Paddy.

The rear view mirror on your car is 5% of the size of your windscreen, its proportionate for how much time you should spend looking forward and looking back.

[skeptic]

Not to mention that actually getting out there and staying fit is step one in the process of being a player let alone a good AFL forward which is the hardest position to play.

His contested marking really wasn’t crash hot
His set shots were a real worry
He didn’t exactly have a good run of form over the 5 years he was on the list...

I mean how good do ppl think he could be?

One thing that’s very discouraging about this thread is the number of ppl that say he would make a good back up?! Why would you recruit a speculative back up?

Romance
Owe him (inexplicably)
Back up

Those seem to be the main reasons.

Gun forward
Unlikely to have further concussion issues
Good team balance

Those are the reasons I’m not hearing.

King, Battle, Membrey, Marshall - Carlisle could pinch hit

Really don’t think we need him and there’s nothing that justifies the risk

[To the top]

As I have put before the catalyst will be McCartin himself, the capacity he demonstrates including to himself, the work he is putting in and his desire (which will be measured by his work ethic)

Past that he then needs to sell his abilities and commitment to a Club ( noting his connection to St Kilda FC)

No doubt he will also accept the best of advice

So if he looks to resume his career there are achievement requirements

If he gets that far it will speak to those achievement requirements having been achieved - and he will carry the best wishes of all

With the run he has had to date he deserves our best wishes for his future and whatever that brings

He was a high end Draft Pick - so you would assess he showed some level of ability

[Secret Kiel]

Not to mention that actually getting out there and staying fit is step one in the process of being a player let alone a good AFL forward which is the hardest position to play.

His contested marking really wasn’t crash hot
His set shots were a real worry
He didn’t exactly have a good run of form over the 5 years he was on the list...

I mean how good do ppl think he could be?

One thing that’s very discouraging about this thread is the number of ppl that say he would make a good back up?! Why would you recruit a speculative back up?

Romance
Owe him (inexplicably)
Back up

Those seem to be the main reasons.

Gun forward
Unlikely to have further concussion issues
Good team balance

Those are the reasons I’m not hearing.

King, Battle, Membrey, Marshall - Carlisle could pinch hit

Really don’t think we need him and there’s nothing that justifies the risk

At 28 or 29 years of age isn't a recruit like Abbot a speculative/backup ruckman?

[saintspremiers]

McCartin will never play AFL footy again anywhere.

Too big a risk re concussion.

It’s a legal minefield.

No club would be that stupid to try it.

[Superboot]

For his own sake, should not play again, at any level.

And, at risk of sounding churlish, was never going to be good enough anyway.

[Joffa Burns]

Paddy
193 cm
100kg
Not athletic
poor leap
Poor speed and endurance
Average set shot for goal
Good hands but dropped so absolute sitters
34 goals 36 behinds from 35 largely average games of AFL football
One dimensional sub sized KPF
Never looked like he would develop into anything more than a GOP
Concussion issues and diabetes

Max
206 cm
92kg
athletic
Good leap
Great speed and endurance
Good set shot for goal
Good hands but dropping ones he should take
18 goals 8 in 12 matches
The new breed of huge athletic flexible tall
Has the potential to be a one in a generation player

The past and the future.

Good luck to Paddy, great young man but I hope the club looks forward and not backward.

[Ghost Like]

Paddy
193 cm
100kg
Not athletic
poor leap
Poor speed and endurance
Average set shot for goal
Good hands but dropped so absolute sitters
34 goals 36 behinds from 35 largely average games of AFL football
One dimensional sub sized KPF
Never looked like he would develop into anything more than a GOP
Concussion issues and diabetes

Max
206 cm
92kg
athletic
Good leap
Great speed and endurance
Good set shot for goal
Good hands but dropping ones he should take
18 goals 8 in 12 matches
The new breed of huge athletic flexible tall
Has the potential to be a one in a generation player

The past and the future.

Good luck to Paddy, great young man but I hope the club looks forward and not backward.

Maybe two

[Joffa Burns]

Paddy
193 cm
100kg
Not athletic
poor leap
Poor speed and endurance
Average set shot for goal
Good hands but dropped so absolute sitters
34 goals 36 behinds from 35 largely average games of AFL football
One dimensional sub sized KPF
Never looked like he would develop into anything more than a GOP
Concussion issues and diabetes

Max
206 cm
92kg
athletic
Good leap
Great speed and endurance
Good set shot for goal
Good hands but dropping ones he should take
18 goals 8 in 12 matches
The new breed of huge athletic flexible tall
Has the potential to be a one in a generation player

The past and the future.

Good luck to Paddy, great young man but I hope the club looks forward and not backward.

Maybe two

Yep, that would be nice wouldn't it.

Insane looking at the upside in the King boys that they went 4 & 6, regardless of how good the other players are.

[desertsaint]

think i saw only two or three times a hint of potential in paddy that had me excited. seen more in parker already, and don't think he will make a career out of it. paddy never did the hard yards to get properly match fit. yes it was a harder struggle for him, but it is what it is - to make it you need to overcome hurdles. he dominated under age due to his size, once that advantage was gone, he was left as an undersized slow key forward. all very sad for the lad but i think even without the concussion issues he would have struggled to make the grade. we'll never know. wish him all the luck in the world going forward.

[takeaway]

Paddy
193 cm
100kg
Not athletic
poor leap
Poor speed and endurance
Average set shot for goal
Good hands but dropped so absolute sitters
34 goals 36 behinds from 35 largely average games of AFL football
One dimensional sub sized KPF
Never looked like he would develop into anything more than a GOP
Concussion issues and diabetes

Max
206 cm
92kg
athletic
Good leap
Great speed and endurance
Good set shot for goal
Good hands but dropping ones he should take
18 goals 8 in 12 matches
The new breed of huge athletic flexible tall
Has the potential to be a one in a generation player

The past and the future.

Good luck to Paddy, great young man but I hope the club looks forward and not backward.

I think you have underrated Paddy, but we'll probably never find out.
Re King, I thought he was 202cm, is he now 206cm? I agree he has the potential to be a one in a generation player, however I would describe him as athletic for his height, haven't seen evidence of a good leap, not enough evidence as yet re speed and endurance, and a reasonable shot for goal, improvement needed. He will certainly improve, hopefully to a real star, but I would rate him lower than you at this stage. Obviously, he will increase in bulk/strength as he matures, which should elevate him higher.

[shanegrambeau]

Paddy
193 cm
100kg
Not athletic
poor leap
Poor speed and endurance
Average set shot for goal
Good hands but dropped so absolute sitters
34 goals 36 behinds from 35 largely average games of AFL football
One dimensional sub sized KPF
Never looked like he would develop into anything more than a GOP
Concussion issues and diabetes

Max
206 cm
92kg
athletic
Good leap
Great speed and endurance
Good set shot for goal
Good hands but dropping ones he should take
18 goals 8 in 12 matches
The new breed of huge athletic flexible tall
Has the potential to be a one in a generation player

The past and the future.

Good luck to Paddy, great young man but I hope the club looks forward and not backward.

I think you have underrated Paddy, but we'll probably never find out.
Re King, I thought he was 202cm, is he now 206cm? I agree he has the potential to be a one in a generation player, however I would describe him as athletic for his height, haven't seen evidence of a good leap, not enough evidence as yet re speed and endurance, and a reasonable shot for goal, improvement needed. He will certainly improve, hopefully to a real star, but I would rate him lower than you at this stage. Obviously, he will increase in bulk/strength as he matures, which should elevate him higher.

Max looks like a Praying Mantis but he has Inspector Gadget arms. A lot of players lose their leap, some at under 25, so at least Max doesn’t have a leap to lose.

What I saw of Paddy was shoulders and crunch. He presented well. I’m sure his kicking isn’t bad, although prone to yips as many.
But for reasons above, it’s a no.