Ben Long's Bump - Any defence?

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Re: Ben Long's Bump - Any defence?

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Devilhead wrote: Tue 14 Jul 2020 7:40pm Saints pled guilty and agreed to all elements of the charge incl the severe impact grading
Why do we always bend over all the f****** time??


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Ben Long's Bump - Any defence?

Post: # 1852710Post SemperFidelis »

This is not bending over. This was smart.

They can’t offer an early plea discount on a straight referral but they can sure as hell give you one anyway.

The media was baying for 4 weeks plus and, frankly, despite the lack of intent I thought he would cop that on a contest.

Content with the 3. 2 was out of the question on parity grounds.


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Re: Ben Long's Bump - Any defence?

Post: # 1852712Post ace »

The club was wise to negotiate given that the AFL is corrupt.
We could not expect the same outcome as Cotchin's bump on Shiel in the 2017 preliminary final that got zero weeks despite their similarity, bum to the head.

We could not expect the same 2 week outcome of Shiel's bump on Curtis Taylor which included shoulder to the head either.
The AFL is still quietly apologising to Essendon for the doping penalties they justly deserved.

3 weeks is the best St Kilda could get away with for Long.
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Re: Ben Long's Bump - Any defence?

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3 weeks, sheeesh. No words.


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Re: Ben Long's Bump - Any defence?

Post: # 1852726Post saynta »

Jacks Back wrote: Tue 14 Jul 2020 11:36pm
Devilhead wrote: Tue 14 Jul 2020 7:40pm Saints pled guilty and agreed to all elements of the charge incl the severe impact grading
Why do we always bend over all the f****** time??
FIIK.


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Re: Ben Long's Bump - Any defence?

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Peanut Farm wrote: Wed 15 Jul 2020 12:40am 3 weeks, sheeesh. No words.
Standard for a StKilda player. Apparently Long was to send a message according to AFL360 last night. Shiel and Ebert no dramas guys take the charity StKilda will cop it.


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Re: Ben Long's Bump - Any defence?

Post: # 1852734Post SaintPav »

I’m finding this all very confusing. If this isn’t an example of double standards then, I ask what is?

The doofus Freo ruckman bent down ffs.

This along with Noosa decision makes me think that St Kilda are an expendable 3rd class citizen.

I wonder which club is first in line for execution when the AFL has to rationalise the competition.


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Re: Ben Long's Bump - Any defence?

Post: # 1852735Post SaintPav »

I’m finding this all very confusing. If this isn’t an example of double standards, then I ask, what is?

The doofus Freo ruckman bent down ffs.

This along with Noosa decision makes me think that St Kilda are an expendable 3rd class citizen.

I wonder which club is first in line for execution when the AFL has to rationalise the competition?!

Prepare for a catastrophe saints fans.


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Re: Ben Long's Bump - Any defence?

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GET FU.CKED AFL.


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Post: # 1852738Post dalboy »

3 weeks is about right for me - we all know the penalty is affected by the outcome and the guy was knocked out. Long had the option of going for the ball or bumping and he chose to bump/shepherd....once you make this choice you will get rubbed out if the opponent is injured. Like it or not, these are the rules and have been for several years.
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Re: Ben Long's Bump - Any defence?

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SaintPav wrote: Wed 15 Jul 2020 11:17am I’m finding this all very confusing. If this isn’t an example of double standards, then I ask, what is?

The doofus Freo ruckman bent down ffs.

This along with Noosa decision makes me think that St Kilda are an expendable 3rd class citizen.

I wonder which club is first in line for execution when the AFL has to rationalise the competition?!

Prepare for a catastrophe saints fans.
What's the "Noosa Decision"? I thought this was considered a win for us last week.


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Re: Ben Long's Bump - Any defence?

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dalboy wrote: Wed 15 Jul 2020 11:27am 3 weeks is about right for me - we all know the penalty is affected by the outcome and the guy was knocked out. Long had the option of going for the ball or bumping and he chose to bump/shepherd....once you make this choice you will get rubbed out if the opponent is injured. Like it or not, these are the rules and have been for several years.
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Re: Ben Long's Bump - Any defence?

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SaintPav wrote: Wed 15 Jul 2020 11:17am I’m finding this all very confusing. If this isn’t an example of double standards then, I ask what is?

The doofus Freo ruckman bent down ffs.

Correct. It was a f****** accident.


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Re: Ben Long's Bump - Any defence?

Post: # 1852752Post SaintPav »

dalboy wrote: Wed 15 Jul 2020 11:29am
SaintPav wrote: Wed 15 Jul 2020 11:17am I’m finding this all very confusing. If this isn’t an example of double standards, then I ask, what is?

The doofus Freo ruckman bent down ffs.

This along with Noosa decision makes me think that St Kilda are an expendable 3rd class citizen.

I wonder which club is first in line for execution when the AFL has to rationalise the competition?!

Prepare for a catastrophe saints fans.
What's the "Noosa Decision"? I thought this was considered a win for us last week.
Really?

I think it’s self explanatory.

By who exactly and how's it a win?


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Re: Ben Long's Bump - Any defence?

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SaintPav wrote: Wed 15 Jul 2020 12:17pm
dalboy wrote: Wed 15 Jul 2020 11:29am
SaintPav wrote: Wed 15 Jul 2020 11:17am I’m finding this all very confusing. If this isn’t an example of double standards, then I ask, what is?

The doofus Freo ruckman bent down ffs.

This along with Noosa decision makes me think that St Kilda are an expendable 3rd class citizen.

I wonder which club is first in line for execution when the AFL has to rationalise the competition?!

Prepare for a catastrophe saints fans.
What's the "Noosa Decision"? I thought this was considered a win for us last week.
Really?

I think it’s self explanatory.

By who exactly and how's it a win?
Yep got shafted royally here. Sure it's a great place for a holiday but it's not close to any ground.

Anyone notice that it's been basically like a normal season for Collingwood.


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Post: # 1852754Post dalboy »

Well, maybe i am wrong. We have a facility to ourselves, have taken the entire list away, nicer than a Melbourne winter - i heard more than one AFL commentator say that this could work in our favour.


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dalboy wrote: Wed 15 Jul 2020 12:30pm Well, maybe i am wrong. We have a facility to ourselves, have taken the entire list away, nicer than a Melbourne winter - i heard more than one AFL commentator say that this could work in our favour.
Well, it's not supposed to be a holiday!!!


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Re: Ben Long's Bump - Any defence?

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SaintPav wrote: Wed 15 Jul 2020 11:17am I’m finding this all very confusing. If this isn’t an example of double standards, then I ask, what is?

The doofus Freo ruckman bent down ffs.

This along with Noosa decision makes me think that St Kilda are an expendable 3rd class citizen.

I wonder which club is first in line for execution when the AFL has to rationalise the competition?!

Prepare for a catastrophe saints fans.
Were up to our 4th week (for the Port game) to be wearing the crappy white uniform. Is there any chance afl of being named the home team anytime soon?


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Re: Ben Long's Bump - Any defence?

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Jacks Back wrote: Wed 15 Jul 2020 11:11pm
SaintPav wrote: Wed 15 Jul 2020 11:17am I’m finding this all very confusing. If this isn’t an example of double standards, then I ask, what is?

The doofus Freo ruckman bent down ffs.

This along with Noosa decision makes me think that St Kilda are an expendable 3rd class citizen.

I wonder which club is first in line for execution when the AFL has to rationalise the competition?!

Prepare for a catastrophe saints fans.
Were up to our 4th week (for the Port game) to be wearing the crappy white uniform. Is there any chance afl of being named the home team anytime soon?
I believe we have saved on excess luggage by only taking the one 'uniform / strip'.


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Re: Ben Long's Bump - Any defence?

Post: # 1853212Post Yorkeys »

I just saw Darcy playing in the Derby? So no serious damage done?; is it too late to appeal the three weeks on the basis of new evidence.


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Yorkeys wrote: Sun 19 Jul 2020 8:04pm I just saw Darcy playing in the Derby? So no serious damage done?; is it too late to appeal the three weeks on the basis of new evidence.
Based on his efforts so far, brain damage is still a possibility.


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Post: # 1853264Post Devilhead »

Great to see Darcy playing after he got decapitated by Long who now sits on the bench for 3 weeks

Amazing what medical science can do these days with decapitated heads


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“But Christian said recent suspensions of Bomber Dylan Shiel and St Kilda utility Ben Long, along with the McStay ban, were a strong statement”

“McStay made a clear election to bump from a front on position”

On this basis you have to feel for Long and legal process, legal process being based on precedent


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Post: # 1855824Post CURLY »

To the top wrote: Tue 28 Jul 2020 2:18pm “But Christian said recent suspensions of Bomber Dylan Shiel and St Kilda utility Ben Long, along with the McStay ban, were a strong statement”

“McStay made a clear election to bump from a front on position”

On this basis you have to feel for Long and legal process, legal process being based on precedent
Ebert 1 week
Shiel 2 Weeks
McStay 2 weeks

Long 3 weeks

Is it one week extra for being a StKilda player??????


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Post: # 1855831Post Munga »

Absolute joke of a sport looking at that


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