Brad Hill last year vs this year.

[samoht]

His disposal efficiency has improved ... that's something, I suppose.
His metres gained have more than halved - and he's averaging 10 less possessions per game!!

Player Statistics Comparison
Bradley Hill Name Bradley Hill

2019 Stats for Season 2020
22 Games 7
17.8 Kicks 10.3
7.3 Handballs 4.9
25.1 Disposals 15.1
3.7 Marks 3.0
0.3 Goals 0.1
0.4 Behinds 0
2.3 Tackles 1.1
0 Hitouts 0
4.3 Inside 50s 2.4
0.7 Goal Assists 0.4
0.3 Frees For 0.6
0.6 Frees Against 1.0
5.2 Contested Possessions 3.0
19.1 Uncontested Possessions 11.4
16.7 Effective Disposals 10.9
66.5% Disposal Efficiency % 72.2%
3.3 Clangers 3.3
0.1 Contested Marks 0
0.4 Marks Inside 50 0.3
1.9 Clearances 1.1
2.7 Rebound 50s 1.4
0.8 One Percenters 0.4
1.1 Bounces 0.4
86.8 Time On Ground % 85.1
0.5 Centre Clearances 0.3
1.4 Stoppage Clearances 0.9
6.0 Score Involvements 3.4
477.9 Metres Gained 234.9
5.3 Turnovers 3.6
2.5 Intercepts 1.4
0.2 Tackles Inside 50 0
88.7 AFL Fantasy Score 52.6
84.2 Supercoach Score 56.0

[CQ SAINT]

His disposal efficiency has improved ... that's something, I suppose.
His metres gained have more than halved - and he's averaging 10 less possessions per game!!

Player Statistics Comparison
Bradley Hill Name Bradley Hill

2019 Stats for Season 2020
22 Games 7
17.8 Kicks 10.3
7.3 Handballs 4.9
25.1 Disposals 15.1
3.7 Marks 3.0
0.3 Goals 0.1
0.4 Behinds 0
2.3 Tackles 1.1
0 Hitouts 0
4.3 Inside 50s 2.4
0.7 Goal Assists 0.4
0.3 Frees For 0.6
0.6 Frees Against 1.0
5.2 Contested Possessions 3.0
19.1 Uncontested Possessions 11.4
16.7 Effective Disposals 10.9
66.5% Disposal Efficiency % 72.2%
3.3 Clangers 3.3
0.1 Contested Marks 0
0.4 Marks Inside 50 0.3
1.9 Clearances 1.1
2.7 Rebound 50s 1.4
0.8 One Percenters 0.4
1.1 Bounces 0.4
86.8 Time On Ground % 85.1
0.5 Centre Clearances 0.3
1.4 Stoppage Clearances 0.9
6.0 Score Involvements 3.4
477.9 Metres Gained 234.9
5.3 Turnovers 3.6
2.5 Intercepts 1.4
0.2 Tackles Inside 50 0
88.7 AFL Fantasy Score 52.6
84.2 Supercoach Score 56.0

There absolutely no doubt that these figures reflect an evolving game plan and the subsequent flooding tactics that have burdened us. He will have to work harder and smarter. 10% more effective is a start but you could expect to see his work rate lift significantly over the remainder of the season. It could well be a huge positive for our season if he can.

[Secret Kiel]

A couple of reasons and it's amuzing fans are comparing stats from the synthetic season to full strength seasons. The games are shorter for a start. Fatigue late in games is where players like Brad gain meterage.

Apples and Guava fruit, very different fruits.

For what it's worth I think Brad will play more like he did in the full strength comps when his pay packet is restored to what was agreed before he arrived.

I know some think AFL players shouldn't think that way but I bet most of the posters on this site would give less if their pensions were given a considerable hair cut.

[CQ SAINT]

A couple of reasons and it's amuzing fans are comparing stats from the synthetic season to full strength seasons. The games are shorter for a start. Fatigue late in games is where players like Brad gain meterage.

Apples and Guava fruit, very different fruits.

For what it's worth I think Brad will play more like he did in the full strength comps when his pay packet is restored to what was agreed before he arrived.

I know some think AFL players shouldn't think that way but I bet most of the posters on this site would give less if their pensions were given a considerable hair cut.

Interestingly, apple and guava, when mixed make for a refreshing yet strange flavoured juice.

[samoht]

Even if we allow 5 possessions for the shorter games this year (0.8 game time x25 possessions in 2019 =20 possessions over 2020) ... his output has definitely fallen by about 5 possessions over the shorter game time.
He should be averaging 20 possessions this year - not 15.

Anyhow, how does this explain his "metres gained" more than halving?? - the game hasn't been shortened by more than 50%.

[Secret Kiel]

Even if we allow 5 possessions for the shorter games this year ... his output has definitely fallen.

How does this explain his metres gained more than halving??

He was forced to take a 50% paycut, is that right? If so that's 450k he's lost this year, it's a MASSIVE come down for a young fella that was on top of the world before February.

So if you add a 50% hair cut to the sky rocket and 20% less game time that probably equals 70% redcution in care factor for his employer right now who is telling him to just smile and wave.

So I'd say if you can't accept that his lower stats are might be attributed to the synthetisized game conditions then maybe it's simpler to say it's becuase of said 70% care factor.

[Secret Kiel]

A couple of reasons and it's amuzing fans are comparing stats from the synthetic season to full strength seasons. The games are shorter for a start. Fatigue late in games is where players like Brad gain meterage.

Apples and Guava fruit, very different fruits.

For what it's worth I think Brad will play more like he did in the full strength comps when his pay packet is restored to what was agreed before he arrived.

I know some think AFL players shouldn't think that way but I bet most of the posters on this site would give less if their pensions were given a considerable hair cut.

Interestingly, apple and guava, when mixed make for a refreshing yet strange flavoured juice.

Would you add some Vodka and Ice with that.

[samoht]

He's only playing 17 games this year x 80% usual game time - and we will probably miss out on finals if he keeps underperforming - so at $450k he's being way overpaid.

[CQ SAINT]

Even if we allow 5 possessions for the shorter games this year (0.8 game time x25 possessions in 2019 =20 possessions over 2020) ... his output has definitely fallen by about 5 possessions over the shorter game time.
He should be averaging 20 possessions this year - not 15.

Anyhow, how does this explain his "metres gained" more than halving?? - the game hasn't been shortened by more than 50%.

He is an endurance beast. When others slow down he maintains his effort, finds more space on the rebound easier and just out works his opponent. The field opens up and he runs further with the ball and has more areas open to kick to advantage. Apart from his burst of speed, we hired him for his endurance.

[samoht]

He is an endurance beast. When others slow down he maintains his effort, finds more space on the rebound easier and just out works his opponent. The field opens up and he runs further with the ball and has more areas open to kick to advantage. Apart from his burst of speed, we hired him for his endurance.

His 2nd half endurance vs Freo - he might have run further, but it wasn't with ball in hand.

[CQ SAINT]

He is an endurance beast. When others slow down he maintains his effort, finds more space on the rebound easier and just out works his opponent. The field opens up and he runs further with the ball and has more areas open to kick to advantage. Apart from his burst of speed, we hired him for his endurance.

His 2nd half endurance would have come in handy vs Freo.

I was at the game. We could not get the ball out. He went in and got hammered, near and far from the ball. He ran his guts out from turnover to turnover for quarters 2 and 3.
After a while you just have to realise that a different strategy and other avenues were needed. Getting smashed at clearances didn't help. He went to the defensive half and help to rebound.

[Secret Kiel]

He's only playing 17 games this year x 80% usual game time - and we will probably miss out on finals if he keeps underperforming - so at $450k he's being way overpaid.

You're missing the point and lacking an understanding from inside his shoes. Yes he's still getting 450k this year, but he is down 450k this year. How woud you be feeling if I slashed your income by half and it was the half that was committed to servicing a debt or other. The majority of players stats are different this year with comparison to full strength years, I know high paid players attract the critque from the tall poppy brigade normally but you must be living in a bubble or on a pension that hasn't had a hair cut.

[samoht]

I think we broke even in the clearances vs Freo (30 vs 30).
His "metres gained" has been very ordinary - we recruited him to provide the outside run that we needed/lacked.

re; the haircut excuse - he's still making more than he would have been if he'd stayed at Freo this year.
We can use that excuse for anyone.

[The_Dud]

A couple of reasons and it's amuzing fans are comparing stats from the synthetic season to full strength seasons. The games are shorter for a start. Fatigue late in games is where players like Brad gain meterage.

Apples and Guava fruit, very different fruits.

For what it's worth I think Brad will play more like he did in the full strength comps when his pay packet is restored to what was agreed before he arrived.

I know some think AFL players shouldn't think that way but I bet most of the posters on this site would give less if their pensions were given a considerable hair cut.

Brad clearly isn't playing to the high standard expected, hopefully it's just growing pains but he needs to lift his game soon.

What did you think of his performance on the weekend, did you watch?

[Secret Kiel]

I think we broke even in the clearances vs Freo (30 vs 30).
His "metres gained" has been very ordinary - we recruited him to provide the outside run that we needed/lacked.

re; the haircut excuse - he's still making more than he would have been if he'd stayed at Freo this year.
We can use that excuse for anyone.

So if you are categorically rulling out Covid-19 related issues or effects as the reason, what is your belief he can't be stuffed playing to his gold standard?

You have to have an excuse or reason if your logic is applied? Do you think he's injured.

Just to be clear I'm not ruling out that you are suffering from tall poppy syndrome.

But I will reserve judgment until you explain what might be his issue.

[Secret Kiel]

A couple of reasons and it's amuzing fans are comparing stats from the synthetic season to full strength seasons. The games are shorter for a start. Fatigue late in games is where players like Brad gain meterage.

Apples and Guava fruit, very different fruits.

For what it's worth I think Brad will play more like he did in the full strength comps when his pay packet is restored to what was agreed before he arrived.

I know some think AFL players shouldn't think that way but I bet most of the posters on this site would give less if their pensions were given a considerable hair cut.

Brad clearly isn't playing to the high standard expected, hopefully it's just growing pains but he needs to lift his game soon.

What did you think of his performance on the weekend, did you watch?

I thought his meters gained stat was well down on past seasons. See I can know how he performed without watching a TV screen. Do they put the meters gained stat in the HS? Someone told me they still only report kicks, marks and handballs and Lou's Kiss of Death.

[samoht]

All I'm pointing out is his underperfomance vs last year - the player we thought and hoped we'd recruited.
Whatever the reason, he's not playing at last year's level.

He's still been useful - very skillful in flashes. But, is this enough - shouldn't we be expecting more from him?

[The_Dud]

A couple of reasons and it's amuzing fans are comparing stats from the synthetic season to full strength seasons. The games are shorter for a start. Fatigue late in games is where players like Brad gain meterage.

Apples and Guava fruit, very different fruits.

For what it's worth I think Brad will play more like he did in the full strength comps when his pay packet is restored to what was agreed before he arrived.

I know some think AFL players shouldn't think that way but I bet most of the posters on this site would give less if their pensions were given a considerable hair cut.

Brad clearly isn't playing to the high standard expected, hopefully it's just growing pains but he needs to lift his game soon.

What did you think of his performance on the weekend, did you watch?

I thought his meters gained stat was well down on past seasons. See I can know how he performed without watching a TV screen. Do they put the meters gained stat in the HS? Someone told me they still only report kicks, marks and handballs and Lou's Kiss of Death.

Well if you want to use Supercoach points as your judge of who plays well and who doesn't, good for you

Here's a little tip, you get more of an idea of how players are going by actually watching the game. You see how hard they're running. You see their attack on the ball. You see how effective the 'effect kick' actually was.

Without all that, it's kind of like you're just talking out your a$$

[Secret Kiel]

A couple of reasons and it's amuzing fans are comparing stats from the synthetic season to full strength seasons. The games are shorter for a start. Fatigue late in games is where players like Brad gain meterage.

Apples and Guava fruit, very different fruits.

For what it's worth I think Brad will play more like he did in the full strength comps when his pay packet is restored to what was agreed before he arrived.

I know some think AFL players shouldn't think that way but I bet most of the posters on this site would give less if their pensions were given a considerable hair cut.

Brad clearly isn't playing to the high standard expected, hopefully it's just growing pains but he needs to lift his game soon.

What did you think of his performance on the weekend, did you watch?

I thought his meters gained stat was well down on past seasons. See I can know how he performed without watching a TV screen. Do they put the meters gained stat in the HS? Someone told me they still only report kicks, marks and handballs and Lou's Kiss of Death.

Well if you want to use Supercoach points as your judge of who plays well and who doesn't, good for you

Here's a little tip, you get more of an idea of how players are going by actually watching the game. You see how hard they're running. You see their attack on the ball. You see how effective the 'effect kick' actually was.

Without all that, it's kind of like you're just talking out your a$$

How do you explain wanting Gresh dropped yet nearly everyone on this site gave him a vote and he attracted 6 votes from AFL coaches, the next best was the bloke that got 10.

Should you watch games on TV more than once? Maybe give that VHS recorder a dust off.

[The_Dud]

A couple of reasons and it's amuzing fans are comparing stats from the synthetic season to full strength seasons. The games are shorter for a start. Fatigue late in games is where players like Brad gain meterage.

Apples and Guava fruit, very different fruits.

For what it's worth I think Brad will play more like he did in the full strength comps when his pay packet is restored to what was agreed before he arrived.

I know some think AFL players shouldn't think that way but I bet most of the posters on this site would give less if their pensions were given a considerable hair cut.

Brad clearly isn't playing to the high standard expected, hopefully it's just growing pains but he needs to lift his game soon.

What did you think of his performance on the weekend, did you watch?

I thought his meters gained stat was well down on past seasons. See I can know how he performed without watching a TV screen. Do they put the meters gained stat in the HS? Someone told me they still only report kicks, marks and handballs and Lou's Kiss of Death.

Well if you want to use Supercoach points as your judge of who plays well and who doesn't, good for you

Here's a little tip, you get more of an idea of how players are going by actually watching the game. You see how hard they're running. You see their attack on the ball. You see how effective the 'effect kick' actually was.

Without all that, it's kind of like you're just talking out your a$$

How do you explain wanting Gresh dropped yet nearly everyone on this site gave him a vote and he attracted 6 votes from AFL coaches, the next best was the bloke that got 10.

Should you watch games on TV more than once? Maybe give that VHS recorder a dust off.

If you watched the game you would have seen his 38% kicking efficiency first hand, and then you might understand why myself, and many others on here, think Gresh needs to fix up his disposal and set shot goal kicking, which have both been well below par for some time now.

[Secret Kiel]

A couple of reasons and it's amuzing fans are comparing stats from the synthetic season to full strength seasons. The games are shorter for a start. Fatigue late in games is where players like Brad gain meterage.

Apples and Guava fruit, very different fruits.

For what it's worth I think Brad will play more like he did in the full strength comps when his pay packet is restored to what was agreed before he arrived.

I know some think AFL players shouldn't think that way but I bet most of the posters on this site would give less if their pensions were given a considerable hair cut.

Brad clearly isn't playing to the high standard expected, hopefully it's just growing pains but he needs to lift his game soon.

What did you think of his performance on the weekend, did you watch?

I thought his meters gained stat was well down on past seasons. See I can know how he performed without watching a TV screen. Do they put the meters gained stat in the HS? Someone told me they still only report kicks, marks and handballs and Lou's Kiss of Death.

Well if you want to use Supercoach points as your judge of who plays well and who doesn't, good for you

Here's a little tip, you get more of an idea of how players are going by actually watching the game. You see how hard they're running. You see their attack on the ball. You see how effective the 'effect kick' actually was.

Without all that, it's kind of like you're just talking out your a$$

How do you explain wanting Gresh dropped yet nearly everyone on this site gave him a vote and he attracted 6 votes from AFL coaches, the next best was the bloke that got 10.

Should you watch games on TV more than once? Maybe give that VHS recorder a dust off.

If you watched the game you would have seen his 38% kicking efficiency first hand, and then you might understand why myself, and many others on here, think Gresh needs to fix up his disposal and set shot goal kicking, which have both been well below par for some time now.

Scratches head....nup nothing....he watched the game and wants Gresh dropped, yet the coaches had him 2nd only to BOG. Are you sure you were watching our game?

[CQ SAINT]

I think we broke even in the clearances vs Freo (30 vs 30).
His "metres gained" has been very ordinary - we recruited him to provide the outside run that we needed/lacked.

re; the haircut excuse - he's still making more than he would have been if he'd stayed at Freo this year.
We can use that excuse for anyone.

Got smashed in the clearances didnt mean we didn't get clearances, it meant we didnt clear the ball effectively, to where smart players run, to where space opens up for outside runners, we rushed at the ball, handled backwards over our heads, dished to players standing near there opponents and kicked the ball into congested areas. We got smashed then the ball came straight back. Brad isn't a clearance player. He can't stop that.

[The_Dud]

A couple of reasons and it's amuzing fans are comparing stats from the synthetic season to full strength seasons. The games are shorter for a start. Fatigue late in games is where players like Brad gain meterage.

Apples and Guava fruit, very different fruits.

For what it's worth I think Brad will play more like he did in the full strength comps when his pay packet is restored to what was agreed before he arrived.

I know some think AFL players shouldn't think that way but I bet most of the posters on this site would give less if their pensions were given a considerable hair cut.

Brad clearly isn't playing to the high standard expected, hopefully it's just growing pains but he needs to lift his game soon.

What did you think of his performance on the weekend, did you watch?

I thought his meters gained stat was well down on past seasons. See I can know how he performed without watching a TV screen. Do they put the meters gained stat in the HS? Someone told me they still only report kicks, marks and handballs and Lou's Kiss of Death.

Well if you want to use Supercoach points as your judge of who plays well and who doesn't, good for you

Here's a little tip, you get more of an idea of how players are going by actually watching the game. You see how hard they're running. You see their attack on the ball. You see how effective the 'effect kick' actually was.

Without all that, it's kind of like you're just talking out your a$$

How do you explain wanting Gresh dropped yet nearly everyone on this site gave him a vote and he attracted 6 votes from AFL coaches, the next best was the bloke that got 10.

Should you watch games on TV more than once? Maybe give that VHS recorder a dust off.

If you watched the game you would have seen his 38% kicking efficiency first hand, and then you might understand why myself, and many others on here, think Gresh needs to fix up his disposal and set shot goal kicking, which have both been well below par for some time now.

Scratches head....nup nothing....he watched the game and wants Gresh dropped, yet the coaches had him 2nd only to BOG. Are you sure you were watching our game?

If you watched the game you might understand why he both got votes from the coaches, and he needs to majorly work on his kicking, which has been an ongoing problem.

But again, don't worry about it, just keep going off your Supercoach points.

[takeaway]

I have no concerns re Hill. You can't compare this year to last year, or to any other year. The main issue is the condensed quarters & longer breaks, which takes out fatigue. Maybe it is a natural evolution of the game, but I suspect the shorter quarters have played a large part in making the game seem like, as one other poster put it, " a combination of keepings off and British Bulldog". Doesn't suit Hill, who can keep running in the full games when most others struggle, whereas now most can run the quarters out.

The other issue is Hill is in a new team, and the team itself has many new faces, and it will take time to gel. In the Freo game, a few times when the TV showed the wide angle, I noticed when we were coming out of the backline, Hill was pretty clear around 40-50 metres away, but on all occasions the player with the ball took the dinky 20m kick option. In that regard, Hill was giving them a better option than they took - in time, they will learn how he plays. We don't want him in the scrums getting half possessions, we want him for outside run. I think that will improve over time, especially when we get back to proper football in 2021.

Supporters are limited this year because the TV only gives a snapshot of the play, you mostly can't tell how hard a player is running, what opportunities he creates downfield, etc. So whether Hill is fully motivated it is hard to say, I think it would hard for any player to be fully motivated at all times this year. The numerous lapses from teams in most games seem to indicate lapses in concentration and or motivation.

If Hill is not more effective halfway though next year, I would be concerned.

[skeptic]

Am I the only one that gets genuinely shocked every time I see the stat charts indicating a lower possession count?

With exceptions... as he has had quiet patches as most have, Hill always seems to be around the contest either chasing or spreading.
Hard to tell from the TV but it feels like he seems to be working very hard