The jury is in...

[freely]

yeah yeah, coulda shoulda - can we move on?

So when people say "Let's compare them in 3 to 5 years", it really isn't worth revisiting in 3 to 5 years?

Not too much else generating some chat in the current environment, especially with 9 days to fill following a disgraceful performance.

Well - that might be true in some cases ghostie - but when one of them isn't playing at all, really - what's the point?

[Ghost Like]

yeah yeah, coulda shoulda - can we move on?

So when people say "Let's compare them in 3 to 5 years", it really isn't worth revisiting in 3 to 5 years?

Not too much else generating some chat in the current environment, especially with 9 days to fill following a disgraceful performance.

Well - that might be true in some cases ghostie - but when one of them isn't playing at all, really - what's the point?

It makes the jury's decision very easy.

It may also go some way to pointing out Petracca deserves a place in the Top 5 that year with some patience and belief by the club.

That's not just a Petracca / Paddy thing but is proof why 3 to 5 years are needed before making assessments or sweeping statements about players.

[freely]

yeah yeah, coulda shoulda - can we move on?

So when people say "Let's compare them in 3 to 5 years", it really isn't worth revisiting in 3 to 5 years?

Not too much else generating some chat in the current environment, especially with 9 days to fill following a disgraceful performance.

Well - that might be true in some cases ghostie - but when one of them isn't playing at all, really - what's the point?

It makes the jury's decision very easy.

It may also go some way to pointing out Petracca deserves a place in the Top 5 that year with some patience and belief by the club.

That's not just a Petracca / Paddy thing but is proof why 3 to 5 years are needed before making assessments or sweeping statements about players.

Fair enough. Can't argue. You're absolutely right. And can we now put this to bed or do we have to assess it again after Petracca's performance next week? and the week after? and the week after that?

[Ghost Like]

We all know what the thread is about now, feel free to click on it or ignore it. I certainly won't be giving a running commentary on Petracca' games. It was simply an observation.

Fingers crossed in a few years we can say, "The jury is in, Byrnes and Bytel are "A" graders!"

[The_Dud]

Right now if Petracca walked into our team he would be our best midfielder.

At the time he was the best available, just another c**k-up in a long line of c**k-ups at the draft for us recently.

I like Paddy, but he was compromised from day 1 with his diabetes, even in his last season with us they were talking about finally getting a handle on playing with it, which says enough.

[shanegrambeau]

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I like Paddy, but he was compromised from day 1 with his diabetes, even in his last season with us they were talking about finally getting a handle on playing with it, which says enough.

Boy.

No one's fault perhaps, but that is damning for our Balance Sheet - the one with the title, 'Idealistic Club with Inclusive Goals vs Brutal Reality and Winning Games of Footy'

[skeptic]

If Paddy wasn't injured a combo of McCartin and King would be a massive building block moving forward.

I don’t know Curly...
It takes a lot to go right to make it in the AFL as a forward.

Paddy showed some promise
So did Tom Lee, Beau Wilkes and a plethora of other forwards that didn’t amount to much.

People talk about Paddy as though he was a sure thing to make it but the reality is that injury prevented us from even really getting a sense that he was any good.
At his size and with his natural attributes being what they were... he’s have needed to be exceptional to make it as a good forward.
There were some concerns there

[takeaway]

If Paddy wasn't injured a combo of McCartin and King would be a massive building block moving forward.

I don’t know Curly...
It takes a lot to go right to make it in the AFL as a forward.

Paddy showed some promise
So did Tom Lee, Beau Wilkes and a plethora of other forwards that didn’t amount to much.

People talk about Paddy as though he was a sure thing to make it but the reality is that injury prevented us from even really getting a sense that he was any good.
At his size and with his natural attributes being what they were... he’s have needed to be exceptional to make it as a good forward.
There were some concerns there

Tom Lee & Beau Wilkes were mature age players when they started with Saints. Paddy was 18, and as a No. 1 draft pick attracted at least the 2nd best defender. Given a decent go at it, by the time he reached the age of those two when they started with the Saints, imo he would have been well ahead of them. Very good lead, and at moving around the forward line, finding space. I have no doubt he would have made it. Would have been perfect in our current forward set up, with King & Membrey.

[CURLY]

If Paddy wasn't injured a combo of McCartin and King would be a massive building block moving forward.

I don’t know Curly...
It takes a lot to go right to make it in the AFL as a forward.

Paddy showed some promise
So did Tom Lee, Beau Wilkes and a plethora of other forwards that didn’t amount to much.

People talk about Paddy as though he was a sure thing to make it but the reality is that injury prevented us from even really getting a sense that he was any good.
At his size and with his natural attributes being what they were... he’s have needed to be exceptional to make it as a good forward.
There were some concerns there

Paddy showed more than enough to suggest he was a AFL standard key forward. His leading patterns and ability to read the drop of the ball and protect the zone were excellent. He was rated numebr one for a reason it wasn't left field.

[saynta]

If Paddy wasn't injured a combo of McCartin and King would be a massive building block moving forward.

I don’t know Curly...
It takes a lot to go right to make it in the AFL as a forward.

Paddy showed some promise
So did Tom Lee, Beau Wilkes and a plethora of other forwards that didn’t amount to much.

People talk about Paddy as though he was a sure thing to make it but the reality is that injury prevented us from even really getting a sense that he was any good.
At his size and with his natural attributes being what they were... he’s have needed to be exceptional to make it as a good forward.
There were some concerns there

Paddy showed more than enough to suggest he was a AFL standard key forward. His leading patterns and ability to read the drop of the ball and protect the zone were excellent. He was rated numebr one for a reason it wasn't left field.

Correct Curley, as usual. He wasn't a no 1 draft pick for no reason. Comparing him to a couple of never were nobodies is f****** insulting.

[skeptic]

Ok not the best examples but what I’m saying is that many young key forwards show promise early and fade away. It doesn’t mean that you can bank on a Coleman just yet.

[skeptic]

If Paddy wasn't injured a combo of McCartin and King would be a massive building block moving forward.

I don’t know Curly...
It takes a lot to go right to make it in the AFL as a forward.

Paddy showed some promise
So did Tom Lee, Beau Wilkes and a plethora of other forwards that didn’t amount to much.

People talk about Paddy as though he was a sure thing to make it but the reality is that injury prevented us from even really getting a sense that he was any good.
At his size and with his natural attributes being what they were... he’s have needed to be exceptional to make it as a good forward.
There were some concerns there

Tom Lee & Beau Wilkes were mature age players when they started with Saints. Paddy was 18, and as a No. 1 draft pick attracted at least the 2nd best defender. Given a decent go at it, by the time he reached the age of those two when they started with the Saints, imo he would have been well ahead of them. Very good lead, and at moving around the forward line, finding space. I have no doubt he would have made it. Would have been perfect in our current forward set up, with King & Membrey.

Correct... in your opinion.

Not based on actual demonstrated form

King has already shown more that Paddy ever did

[The_Dud]

If Paddy wasn't injured a combo of McCartin and King would be a massive building block moving forward.

I don’t know Curly...
It takes a lot to go right to make it in the AFL as a forward.

Paddy showed some promise
So did Tom Lee, Beau Wilkes and a plethora of other forwards that didn’t amount to much.

People talk about Paddy as though he was a sure thing to make it but the reality is that injury prevented us from even really getting a sense that he was any good.
At his size and with his natural attributes being what they were... he’s have needed to be exceptional to make it as a good forward.
There were some concerns there

Paddy showed more than enough to suggest he was a AFL standard key forward. His leading patterns and ability to read the drop of the ball and protect the zone were excellent. He was rated numebr one for a reason it wasn't left field.

Correct Curley, as usual. He wasn't a no 1 draft pick for no reason. Comparing him to a couple of never were nobodies is f****** insulting.

Didn’t we give a first round pick for Lee?