Dan Hannebery - call it

[st.byron]

Poor decision reeking of desperation ....

WTF??

Of course we were desperate!!

It’s not attractive is it?

[BarryGrogan]

Poor decision reeking of desperation ....

WTF??

Of course we were desperate!!

It’s not attractive is it?

What, you think we should just sit back and lean on the bar and wait for all the hot chicks to come up and hit on us?

[SuperDuper]

Surely someone has info on his contract? I mean, if it was front loaded and had trigger clauses, such as games played then it may be absolutely no problem!
It makes a big difference if, instead of 800,00 fo the next three years, he were paid more the first two years when we could not even reach our salary cap, and if he also only gets the full amount if he plays enough games.

[saynta]

Poor decision reeking of desperation ....

WTF??

Of course we were desperate!!

It’s not attractive is it?

What, you think we should just sit back and lean on the bar and wait for all the hot chicks to come up and hit on us?

Used to work for me. Many many years ago though.

[saynta]

What he gets paid is really none of our business.Wish posters would get off his back. He didn't deliberately get himself injured. He has been part of a winning team to date. His influence was missed after half time. Even a jackass could see that ffs.

[CQ SAINT]

Surely someone has info on his contract? I mean, if it was front loaded and had trigger clauses, such as games played then it may be absolutely no problem!
It makes a big difference if, instead of 800,00 fo the next three years, he were paid more the first two years when we could not even reach our salary cap, and if he also only gets the full amount if he plays enough games.

Don't believe the $800k with no triggers hype. It's media bulls***. Even Riewoldt had a base wage and triggers, Carliisle had a base wage and triggers. I'll bet my hairy balls that Hannerbery has a base rate and triggers.
$4m and 5 years is the first tell of a bulls*** bluff to suck in all the doomsday preppers around here, when it's public knowledge that he has 4 years and a trigger for the 5th in a contract POTENTIALLY worth 4m over 5 years.

[asiu]

Used to work for me.

good on ya
.... ahhhhh

once was a rooster

[whiskers3614]

Poor decision reeking of desperation ....

WTF??

Of course we were desperate!!

It’s not attractive is it?

What, you think we should just sit back and lean on the bar and wait for all the hot chicks to come up and hit on us?

Not sure, but picking up 55 year old cast offs from the local knock shop based on what they were worth in their 20's doesn't make a heap of sense either!

[ace]

Took the cautious approach tonight so hopefully back next week otherwise he's cooked

It was an interesting interview after the game... first he said that it was just tightness and they were being cautious as it got sorer... then he said something to the effect of I hope I don’t miss too many games. Made me think he gave away more than intended.

Wouldn’t surprise me if the club clear him to play but he ends up being a late withdrawal for 2-3 weeks

No the club has said the scans reveal a tear and he will miss 3 weeks.
But he will still go for a Noosa holiday.
https://www.saints.com.au/news/736368/h ... -sidelines

[shanegrambeau]

Surely someone has info on his contract? I mean, if it was front loaded and had trigger clauses, such as games played then it may be absolutely no problem!
It makes a big difference if, instead of 800,00 fo the next three years, he were paid more the first two years when we could not even reach our salary cap, and if he also only gets the full amount if he plays enough games.

Don't believe the $800k with no triggers hype. It's media bulls***. Even Riewoldt had a base wage and triggers, Carliisle had a base wage and triggers. I'll bet my hairy balls that Hannerbery has a base rate and triggers.
$4m and 5 years is the first tell of a bulls*** bluff to suck in all the doomsday preppers around here, when it's public knowledge that he has 4 years and a trigger for the 5th in a contract POTENTIALLY worth 4m over 5 years.

My guess too.
But it is fun to speculate, like why a crippled Carlisle mysterious started to get selected towards the end of a dying season when he was clearly restricted!!

[Saintmatt]

What he gets paid is really none of our business.Wish posters would get off his back. He didn't deliberately get himself injured. He gas been part of a winning team to date. His influence was missed after half time. Even a jackass could see that ffs.

Bloody well said.

To all of you absolute di(ks on here who think what a player gets paid is what they’re worth then get your heads out of your ar$es. Price is what you pay; value is what you get. Dan’s value to St K was always going to be worth way more than playing alone. Not widely reported but he was huge for us in getting Jones to St K and I’m sure you’re all happy with that move right now.

Also, remember that the AFL is enforced socialism - the 18th team pretty much has to pay the same Salary cap as the Premier team. I.e you have to pay someone and we didn’t have many players we were paying decent coin to anyway. So, who cares who gets what so long as (1) there’s enough in the kitty for when players like Billings etc needs to be re-signed; and (2) the rest of the players don’t care what he’s getting paid then I couldn’t care less either.

So, onto Dan’s VALUE now. I have it on very good authority that he’s now going to be playing the Roughy role whilst we’re away. Like Jones’ arrival, we’re all pretty happy with Roughy’s arrival and what he’s doing with the forward and more particularly, being the conduit between the coaches box and bench on match day - when players are rotated off - Roughy is the man they go to first. Having that Roughy role replicated is going to be invaluable for a young group - with 5 new players - who’ve had 1 pre-season and <=5 games together. We need more ppl with experience; not less.

As for addressing Dan’s playing ability - I’ll just direct you to the 1st q on Thursday night. He owned that centre square. Absolutely owned it. Pretty bloody good in the 2nd q too. He’s not the ball hunting gut running mid from Sydney - but as the first receive outlet/distribution mid, he’s still a cut above most we have. His ability to take the extra split second to size up the options and hit the target that opens it up for our new runners is invaluable. I’m sorry he’s not going to play for the next 3 weeks, he’s worth every goddam penny on field - he adds; not subtract from us.

[CQ SAINT]

What he gets paid is really none of our business.Wish posters would get off his back. He didn't deliberately get himself injured. He gas been part of a winning team to date. His influence was missed after half time. Even a jackass could see that ffs.

Bloody well said.

To all of you absolute di(ks on here who think what a player gets paid is what they’re worth then get your heads out of your ar$es. Price is what you pay; value is what you get. Dan’s value to St K was always going to be worth way more than playing alone. Not widely reported but he was huge for us in getting Jones to St K and I’m sure you’re all happy with that move right now.

Also, remember that the AFL is enforced socialism - the 18th team pretty much has to pay the same Salary cap as the Premier team. I.e you have to pay someone and we didn’t have many players we were paying decent coin to anyway. So, who cares who gets what so long as (1) there’s enough in the kitty for when players like Billings etc needs to be re-signed; and (2) the rest of the players don’t care what he’s getting paid then I couldn’t care less either.

So, onto Dan’s VALUE now. I have it on very good authority that he’s now going to be playing the Roughy role whilst we’re away. Like Jones’ arrival, we’re all pretty happy with Roughy’s arrival and what he’s doing with the forward and more particularly, being the conduit between the coaches box and bench on match day - when players are rotated off - Roughy is the man they go to first. Having that Roughy role replicated is going to be invaluable for a young group - with 5 new players - who’ve had 1 pre-season and <=5 games together. We need more ppl with experience; not less.

As for addressing Dan’s playing ability - I’ll just direct you to the 1st q on Thursday night. He owned that centre square. Absolutely owned it. Pretty bloody good in the 2nd q too. He’s not the ball hunting gut running mid from Sydney - but as the first receive outlet/distribution mid, he’s still a cut above most we have. His ability to take the extra split second to size up the options and hit the target that opens it up for our new runners is invaluable. I’m sorry he’s not going to play for the next 3 weeks, he’s worth every goddam penny on field - he adds; not subtract from us.

Agree 100%. While there is always going to be a stigma attached to high priced players who can't get on the field, the main theme at play here is the contrived notion that it was mates rates between SL and DH's dad and blah, blah, blah, all initiated by that soulless witch Caro.and picked up.on by the faint at heart sceptic, dooms-dayers around the periphery of the club.

I don't buy it. Great to see guys like Leatlean , Roughy and DH testing their metal at the lowly Saints and so far, under Ratten leading from the front, they seem to be bringing a sense of professionalism and know how, that has obviously helped to inspire a young playing group develop quickly and we are currently witnessing the benefit of that on and off the field for the first time in a decade. More power to them all.

[The_Dud]

I don’t think anyone is criticising Dan, he’s just playing football. The criticism is directed at those who signed him up to an excessively long and lucrative contract. No one else was after Dan, there was no need for it to be as generous as it was.

Saying we only got other recruits because DH is here is pure speculation. I also think if you offered another $100k a year each to those new recruits you’d probably go a long way to persuading them, and still come out a few hundred thousand dollars ahead.

And if much of his benefit is off field, that’s what coaches are for. You’d be able to pick up a much more qualified coach that doesn’t take up a huge slab of our salary cap, like Roughie.

Lastly, speaking of his onfield performance, I don’t recall a game where I saw him play and at the end thought “wow, this bloke is in the top 3 at our club and could be AA”. Also looking at the votes on here, he hasn’t been judged in the best 5 of any of the games this year. I know we’re just a bunch of supporters, but it says something.

He was injury prone for 2 years before he came here, everyone knew that, and he’s been injury prone his whole time at the club. Why do some think that we’re not allowed to ask hard questions about that?

[roskilde]

I know we're all Saints fans and when you sign up for the Saints you have to get used to a life time of rationalization but the amount of cope posting about the guy in this thread is stunning.

The man has given no more output than a promising second year player might in his entire time at the club. I've watched the Blues game twice now and I'm sorry he wasn't outstanding and our decline had little to do with him going off.

He's not physically capable of playing AFL anymore and breaks down every time he gets into third gear and people are talking about his 'off field' contributions. I'm sorry he's not a bloody coach he's hired to play football and he's not capable of doing that.

Absolutely nothing personal against the guy. It's not his fault things have turned out the way they did but as a supporter of the club I'd like to think we have a right to demand better than this.

[ace]

3 weeks
But as we played on a Thursday maybe he only misses 2 matches but I would like him to miss another out of safety.

That should give Byrnes &/ or Bytel a debut.

[st.byron]

I know we're all Saints fans and when you sign up for the Saints you have to get used to a life time of rationalization but the amount of cope posting about the guy in this thread is stunning.

The man has given no more output than a promising second year player might in his entire time at the club. I've watched the Blues game twice now and I'm sorry he wasn't outstanding and our decline had little to do with him going off.

He's not physically capable of playing AFL anymore and breaks down every time he gets into third gear and people are talking about his 'off field' contributions. I'm sorry he's not a bloody coach he's hired to play football and he's not capable of doing that.

Absolutely nothing personal against the guy. It's not his fault things have turned out the way they did but as a supporter of the club I'd like to think we have a right to demand better than this.

Pretty much agree with all of this. Well said.

[CQ SAINT]

I know we're all Saints fans and when you sign up for the Saints you have to get used to a life time of rationalization but the amount of cope posting about the guy in this thread is stunning.

The man has given no more output than a promising second year player might in his entire time at the club. I've watched the Blues game twice now and I'm sorry he wasn't outstanding and our decline had little to do with him going off.

He's not physically capable of playing AFL anymore and breaks down every time he gets into third gear and people are talking about his 'off field' contributions. I'm sorry he's not a bloody coach he's hired to play football and he's not capable of doing that.

Absolutely nothing personal against the guy. It's not his fault things have turned out the way they did but as a supporter of the club I'd like to think we have a right to demand better than this.

Pretty much agree with all of this. Well said.

These are fair-minded comments but the speculation on what he is being paid is as vague as what his contributions off the field might be.
Don't feel obliged to answer but, given his injury plagued 2 years before signing and the unknowns about his actual contract, would you feel better about the risk at $540k per year?
Further, if he came good and got a neat run of 15-22 games unaffected by injury, would you be happy for him to get $800k?
$1.5m was available in accrued cap space, the AFL was willing to pay it, we had 45k members to satisfy and we were absolutely desperate to play a card in the recruiting stakes.
Coincidentally, we smashed the trade period and draft from there last year. The decision makers, whether from hindsight or not, are doing really well. So perhaps the judgements on them are misguided and naive.
By the way. If you research, you will find quite a bit of diatribe on this forum questioning and slandering the character of DH, his dad, SL and the club in general in a less the supportive manner around this contract.
While there may be some connections there, at least there are some connections, we are getting deals done, we are improving and we are attracting better personnel.

[saynta]

I know we're all Saints fans and when you sign up for the Saints you have to get used to a life time of rationalization but the amount of cope posting about the guy in this thread is stunning.

The man has given no more output than a promising second year player might in his entire time at the club. I've watched the Blues game twice now and I'm sorry he wasn't outstanding and our decline had little to do with him going off.

He's not physically capable of playing AFL anymore and breaks down every time he gets into third gear and people are talking about his 'off field' contributions. I'm sorry he's not a bloody coach he's hired to play football and he's not capable of doing that.

Absolutely nothing personal against the guy. It's not his fault things have turned out the way they did but as a supporter of the club I'd like to think we have a right to demand better than this.

I better not comment. My mum always told me if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all. So I won't.

[roskilde]

I know we're all Saints fans and when you sign up for the Saints you have to get used to a life time of rationalization but the amount of cope posting about the guy in this thread is stunning.

The man has given no more output than a promising second year player might in his entire time at the club. I've watched the Blues game twice now and I'm sorry he wasn't outstanding and our decline had little to do with him going off.

He's not physically capable of playing AFL anymore and breaks down every time he gets into third gear and people are talking about his 'off field' contributions. I'm sorry he's not a bloody coach he's hired to play football and he's not capable of doing that.

Absolutely nothing personal against the guy. It's not his fault things have turned out the way they did but as a supporter of the club I'd like to think we have a right to demand better than this.

I better not comment. My mum always told me if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all. So I won't.

Feel free to call me a 'worthless bastard with half baked opinions that emerge from a sea of ignorance and malice' any day mate.

You won't find much resistance from me.

[saynta]

I know we're all Saints fans and when you sign up for the Saints you have to get used to a life time of rationalization but the amount of cope posting about the guy in this thread is stunning.

The man has given no more output than a promising second year player might in his entire time at the club. I've watched the Blues game twice now and I'm sorry he wasn't outstanding and our decline had little to do with him going off.

He's not physically capable of playing AFL anymore and breaks down every time he gets into third gear and people are talking about his 'off field' contributions. I'm sorry he's not a bloody coach he's hired to play football and he's not capable of doing that.

Absolutely nothing personal against the guy. It's not his fault things have turned out the way they did but as a supporter of the club I'd like to think we have a right to demand better than this.

I better not comment. My mum always told me if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all. So I won't.

Feel free to call me a 'worthless bastard with half baked opinions that emerge from a sea of ignorance and malice' any day mate.

You won't find much resistance from me.

[st.byron]

I know we're all Saints fans and when you sign up for the Saints you have to get used to a life time of rationalization but the amount of cope posting about the guy in this thread is stunning.

The man has given no more output than a promising second year player might in his entire time at the club. I've watched the Blues game twice now and I'm sorry he wasn't outstanding and our decline had little to do with him going off.

He's not physically capable of playing AFL anymore and breaks down every time he gets into third gear and people are talking about his 'off field' contributions. I'm sorry he's not a bloody coach he's hired to play football and he's not capable of doing that.

Absolutely nothing personal against the guy. It's not his fault things have turned out the way they did but as a supporter of the club I'd like to think we have a right to demand better than this.

Pretty much agree with all of this. Well said.

These are fair-minded comments but the speculation on what he is being paid is as vague as what his contributions off the field might be.
Don't feel obliged to answer but, given his injury plagued 2 years before signing and the unknowns about his actual contract, would you feel better about the risk at $540k per year?
Further, if he came good and got a neat run of 15-22 games unaffected by injury, would you be happy for him to get $800k?
$1.5m was available in accrued cap space, the AFL was willing to pay it, we had 45k members to satisfy and we were absolutely desperate to play a card in the recruiting stakes.
Coincidentally, we smashed the trade period and draft from there last year. The decision makers, whether from hindsight or not, are doing really well. So perhaps the judgements on them are misguided and naive.
By the way. If you research, you will find quite a bit of diatribe on this forum questioning and slandering the character of DH, his dad, SL and the club in general in a less the supportive manner around this contract.
While there may be some connections there, at least there are some connections, we are getting deals done, we are improving and we are attracting better personnel.

Yep I would feel better about 500k a year. At this stage, with the output we’ve had from him, I’d place him at about $300k. Quality player no doubt, but no point in having repetitively injured quality players, especially ones at the back end of their careers. . It’s all just perception management in the end. No doubt he’s a slick player. Some of his handballs to release a player into space have been sublime. So if he strings together a consistent run of games, including some in which he’s dominant or very influential, then yep he might be worth 800k a year, if as you point out, that’s what he’s on. But based on what we’ve had from him thus far and his injury status, 800k is overs IMO. For comparisons sake, would you be happy if Hill produces the same as DH has? If we get to the middle of next year and BH hasn’t turned in some match winning or very influential performances and isn’t consistently delivering quality performances, might there be questions asked about the wisdom of recruiting him at 800k p.a?

[CQ SAINT]

I know we're all Saints fans and when you sign up for the Saints you have to get used to a life time of rationalization but the amount of cope posting about the guy in this thread is stunning.

The man has given no more output than a promising second year player might in his entire time at the club. I've watched the Blues game twice now and I'm sorry he wasn't outstanding and our decline had little to do with him going off.

He's not physically capable of playing AFL anymore and breaks down every time he gets into third gear and people are talking about his 'off field' contributions. I'm sorry he's not a bloody coach he's hired to play football and he's not capable of doing that.

Absolutely nothing personal against the guy. It's not his fault things have turned out the way they did but as a supporter of the club I'd like to think we have a right to demand better than this.

Pretty much agree with all of this. Well said.

These are fair-minded comments but the speculation on what he is being paid is as vague as what his contributions off the field might be.
Don't feel obliged to answer but, given his injury plagued 2 years before signing and the unknowns about his actual contract, would you feel better about the risk at $540k per year?
Further, if he came good and got a neat run of 15-22 games unaffected by injury, would you be happy for him to get $800k?
$1.5m was available in accrued cap space, the AFL was willing to pay it, we had 45k members to satisfy and we were absolutely desperate to play a card in the recruiting stakes.
Coincidentally, we smashed the trade period and draft from there last year. The decision makers, whether from hindsight or not, are doing really well. So perhaps the judgements on them are misguided and naive.
By the way. If you research, you will find quite a bit of diatribe on this forum questioning and slandering the character of DH, his dad, SL and the club in general in a less the supportive manner around this contract.
While there may be some connections there, at least there are some connections, we are getting deals done, we are improving and we are attracting better personnel.

Yep I would feel better about 500k a year. At this stage, with the output we’ve had from him, I’d place him at about $300k. Quality player no doubt, but no point in having repetitively injured quality players, especially ones at the back end of their careers. . It’s all just perception management in the end. No doubt he’s a slick player. Some of his handballs to release a player into space have been sublime. So if he strings together a consistent run of games, including some in which he’s dominant or very influential, then yep he might be worth 800k a year, if as you point out, that’s what he’s on. But based on what we’ve had from him thus far and his injury status, 800k is overs IMO. For comparisons sake, would you be happy if Hill produces the same as DH has? If we get to the middle of next year and BH hasn’t turned in some match winning or very influential performances and isn’t consistently delivering quality performances, might there be questions asked about the wisdom of recruiting him at 800k p.a?

I'm happy with the recruitment of Hanners. If what I'm told by a connection at the club is right, the loss due to injury/performance is only $540k.
If he plays 15 plus games Im confident his impact is going to be enough and if it's not, I'm confident a coach like coach like Ratten would demand more or drop him.
I'm not prepared to compare him to anyone else.
So I'm.happy if his base is $540 and his performance bonus is $260k and from what Riewold has documented in the past, that full bonus would include finals. That's what it cost, if that's what it cost.
His worth injured and not playing is never going to be $800k. His output so far has been nothing but loss. Que sera, sera.
I am also prepared to say that he had a contract at Sydney and Im sure we matched it and confident it had clauses based on his recovery from the existing injuries he had and his performance.
I am also happy that Jones came and the Swans released him.
I'm happy with the risk. I think it's an intelligent one and based on my assumptions, I wouldn't need to ask questions.
The alternatives in the year we took Hanners were very bleak.

[sunsaint]

The alternatives in the year we took Hanners were very bleak.

Tom Scully Dylan Shiel Jared Polec Chad WIngard Tom Lynch Andrew Gaff on the table for trade
oh and there was a guy that went up to Lions - Lachie Neale - heard he can play too

[The_Dud]

I would confidently say Dan Butler has already provided more on-field than DH in a years less time and probably half the coin.

[Yorkeys]

So what did we get with pick 28 that came as part of the package, and remember at the time our club had A.Richardson as is immediate past coach - which some unkindly consider a player unmagnet. Too early to get too outraged? all things considered.