Nicky Winmar suing Sam Newman and co-hosts for attempt to revise historical moment

[The_Dud]

Now I'm no mathematician, but going by your own posts if you are 35 years old now and went to a game 30 years ago where you witnessed racial abuse, you don't need to be Terence Tao to work out you were circa 5 years old at that time.

Am I missing something?

Well you're clearly missing the point, that's obvious.

I did say "about 30 years ago" to be fair.

To be fair, if we took a random group of 5 year olds and a random group of 75 year olds, I know which group would be more racist one...

[Joffa Burns]

You must have been a very articulate and worldly five year old when you went to that match at Moorabbin 30 years ago to witness such racial abuse and make a bold and defining decision to attend only spasmodically over the next 30 years. Was the abuse leveled at our players by North fans or at Norths Krauker brothers by Saints fans?

I don't think I was 5.

But I do recall constant use of 'n word' was directed at Winmar - even when he wasn't involved in the play.

I also remember a kid about my age running off with the footy from behind the goals in the car park after a goal was kicked, and thinking to myself 'oh man, livin' the dream'.

I pretty much stopped going to the footy after the 05 Prelim. It was vile.

The group of Swans fans had a child with them too. It was just appalling. I couldn't get my head around them screaming such foul racial vitriol at Saints players - but then cheering for Goodes and O'Loughlin.

It wasn't a conscious decision to stop going after that night, I just ceased seeing the footy as a good environment to be in. It was an ugly scene that I just didn't want in my life.

Wow, 5 year old making those sort of decisions consciously or unconsciously.. just wow.

My Psychologist daughter would be prod of you Saynta, most people write/say sub-consciously when they actually mean unconsciously.

[saynta]

You must have been a very articulate and worldly five year old when you went to that match at Moorabbin 30 years ago to witness such racial abuse and make a bold and defining decision to attend only spasmodically over the next 30 years. Was the abuse leveled at our players by North fans or at Norths Krauker brothers by Saints fans?

I don't think I was 5.

But I do recall constant use of 'n word' was directed at Winmar - even when he wasn't involved in the play.

I also remember a kid about my age running off with the footy from behind the goals in the car park after a goal was kicked, and thinking to myself 'oh man, livin' the dream'.

I pretty much stopped going to the footy after the 05 Prelim. It was vile.

The group of Swans fans had a child with them too. It was just appalling. I couldn't get my head around them screaming such foul racial vitriol at Saints players - but then cheering for Goodes and O'Loughlin.

It wasn't a conscious decision to stop going after that night, I just ceased seeing the footy as a good environment to be in. It was an ugly scene that I just didn't want in my life.

Wow, 5 year old making those sort of decisions consciously or unconsciously.. just wow.

My Psychologist daughter would be prod of you Saynta, most people write/say sub-consciously when they actually mean unconsciously.

[saynta]

Now I'm no mathematician, but going by your own posts if you are 35 years old now and went to a game 30 years ago where you witnessed racial abuse, you don't need to be Terence Tao to work out you were circa 5 years old at that time.

Am I missing something?

Well you're clearly missing the point, that's obvious.

I did say "about 30 years ago" to be fair.

To be fair, if we took a random group of 5 year olds and a random group of 75 year olds, I know which group would be more racist one...

You accusing me of being a racist, chuck?

[The_Dud]

Now I'm no mathematician, but going by your own posts if you are 35 years old now and went to a game 30 years ago where you witnessed racial abuse, you don't need to be Terence Tao to work out you were circa 5 years old at that time.

Am I missing something?

Well you're clearly missing the point, that's obvious.

I did say "about 30 years ago" to be fair.

To be fair, if we took a random group of 5 year olds and a random group of 75 year olds, I know which group would be more racist one...

You accusing me of being a racist, chuck?

Where did I say that?

[saynta]

Now I'm no mathematician, but going by your own posts if you are 35 years old now and went to a game 30 years ago where you witnessed racial abuse, you don't need to be Terence Tao to work out you were circa 5 years old at that time.

Am I missing something?

Well you're clearly missing the point, that's obvious.

I did say "about 30 years ago" to be fair.

To be fair, if we took a random group of 5 year olds and a random group of 75 year olds, I know which group would be more racist one...

You accusing me of being a racist, chuck?

Where did I say that?

Good one chuck.

[Joffa Burns]

Wow, 5 year old making those sort of decisions consciously or unconsciously.. just wow.

an opportunity presented itself
to me ,
when i was nearly 7

kill him now
or put up with it

wisdom is not age dependant
it’s , access dependant

(thankfully)

I'm assuming DV at play, if so that is a very sad predicament for a nearly 7 YO.

[Joffa Burns]

I was at that game in the outer and do not recall a single racist word yelled at a player.
Maybe at that time I was just accepting that racism was the norm so I don't recall anything specific.

i remember the Nicky gesture and it being reported at the time rightly or wrongly as a showing guts gesture as reported on the podcast. Perhaps they were wrong, perhaps that was a convenient explanation in a racist era, who knows?

Regardless of the intent at the time (guts or skin color) the gesture has transcended the moment and has become a symbol of racism in the sport and has served as a point of non acceptance which is extremely positive.

Nicky and Gilby tore the arses of those s*** bag scum suckers that day and have been immortalized ever since.

I think the dignified response from Nicky would be to suggest the fossils not be given airtime and that the wide majority of people understand the truth behind the gesture. Unfortunately Nickys life has not been as successful or positive a his football career therefore who knows the motivation, I hope it is genuine.

I think this is a great post and expresses how you feel really well. I just can't believe that some posters are projecting onto it, such enthusiastic wishfullness that it contained anything racist.

It was just your view, which our posts are supposed to be on a football forum, as I recall. No biggie.

Do you work the night shift harvesman?
If not you certainly don't get a lot of sleep

[Joffa Burns]

But I do recall constant use of 'n word' was directed at Winmar - even when he wasn't involved in the play.

The group of Swans fans had a child with them too. It was just appalling. I couldn't get my head around them screaming such foul racial vitriol at Saints players - but then cheering for Goodes and O'Loughlin.

It wasn't a conscious decision to stop going after that night, I just ceased seeing the footy as a good environment to be in. It was an ugly scene that I just didn't want in my life.

I have heard plenty of disgusting terms used at Indigenous Australians, but can’t say I have ever heard the ‘N’ word used. Spent a lot of time in the mid-west USA where this word was used commonly and I'm told is still is standard vernacular to describe African Americans.

Never once heard the term redskin used, but plenty of vitriol toward the Native Americans, especially when money was lost in their casinos. I really enjoyed the Native American people I associated with, generous and caring people from my experience.

Now I'm no mathematician, but going by your own posts if you are 35 years old now and went to a game 30 years ago where you witnessed racial abuse, you don't need to be Terence Tao to work out you were circa 5 years old at that time.

Am I missing something?

Well you're clearly missing the point, that's obvious.

I did say "about 30 years ago" to be fair.

Still not sure what point am I missing?

If it’s the point or vagrancies of an extremist poster on a football forum who seems to sit, stand or congregate near the vilest opposition racist supporters every-time he/she attends a St Kilda game since he/she was 5 years old though has only been to a handful of games in the last 30 years, I’m certainly across it.

[Harves Man]

I was at that game in the outer and do not recall a single racist word yelled at a player.
Maybe at that time I was just accepting that racism was the norm so I don't recall anything specific.

i remember the Nicky gesture and it being reported at the time rightly or wrongly as a showing guts gesture as reported on the podcast. Perhaps they were wrong, perhaps that was a convenient explanation in a racist era, who knows?

Regardless of the intent at the time (guts or skin color) the gesture has transcended the moment and has become a symbol of racism in the sport and has served as a point of non acceptance which is extremely positive.

Nicky and Gilby tore the arses of those s*** bag scum suckers that day and have been immortalized ever since.

I think the dignified response from Nicky would be to suggest the fossils not be given airtime and that the wide majority of people understand the truth behind the gesture. Unfortunately Nickys life has not been as successful or positive a his football career therefore who knows the motivation, I hope it is genuine.

I think this is a great post and expresses how you feel really well. I just can't believe that some posters are projecting onto it, such enthusiastic wishfullness that it contained anything racist.

It was just your view, which our posts are supposed to be on a football forum, as I recall. No biggie.

Do you work the night shift harvesman?
If not you certainly don't get a lot of sleep

Hi Joffa, Assumptions are a funny thing. I am not in Oz. All the Best

[Harves Man]

You must have been a very articulate and worldly five year old when you went to that match at Moorabbin 30 years ago to witness such racial abuse and make a bold and defining decision to attend only spasmodically over the next 30 years. Was the abuse leveled at our players by North fans or at Norths Krauker brothers by Saints fans?

I don't think I was 5.

But I do recall constant use of 'n word' was directed at Winmar - even when he wasn't involved in the play.

I also remember a kid about my age running off with the footy from behind the goals in the car park after a goal was kicked, and thinking to myself 'oh man, livin' the dream'.

I pretty much stopped going to the footy after the 05 Prelim. It was vile.

The group of Swans fans had a child with them too. It was just appalling. I couldn't get my head around them screaming such foul racial vitriol at Saints players - but then cheering for Goodes and O'Loughlin.

It wasn't a conscious decision to stop going after that night, I just ceased seeing the footy as a good environment to be in. It was an ugly scene that I just didn't want in my life.

Wow, 5 year old making those sort of decisions consciously or unconsciously.. just wow.

My Psychologist daughter would be prod of you Saynta, most people write/say sub-consciously when they actually mean unconsciously.

Fair enough, Joffa, but is there really a difference between saying "unconsciously" and "on a sub-conscious level" ? As I understand it, the Humanistic school of psychological thought (Carl Rogers, Fritz Perls, et al) tends to say unconsciously, whereas the Psychodynamic school of thought (the most prominent being Freud and Carl Jung), tends to use the term sub-conscious?

[BarryGrogan]

.... has only been to a handful of games in the last 30 years.....

??

[saynta]

You must have been a very articulate and worldly five year old when you went to that match at Moorabbin 30 years ago to witness such racial abuse and make a bold and defining decision to attend only spasmodically over the next 30 years. Was the abuse leveled at our players by North fans or at Norths Krauker brothers by Saints fans?

I don't think I was 5.

But I do recall constant use of 'n word' was directed at Winmar - even when he wasn't involved in the play.

I also remember a kid about my age running off with the footy from behind the goals in the car park after a goal was kicked, and thinking to myself 'oh man, livin' the dream'.

I pretty much stopped going to the footy after the 05 Prelim. It was vile.

The group of Swans fans had a child with them too. It was just appalling. I couldn't get my head around them screaming such foul racial vitriol at Saints players - but then cheering for Goodes and O'Loughlin.

It wasn't a conscious decision to stop going after that night, I just ceased seeing the footy as a good environment to be in. It was an ugly scene that I just didn't want in my life.

Wow, 5 year old making those sort of decisions consciously or unconsciously.. just wow.

My Psychologist daughter would be prod of you Saynta, most people write/say sub-consciously when they actually mean unconsciously.

Fair enough, Joffa, but is there really a difference between saying "unconsciously" and "on a sub-conscious level" ? As I understand it, the Humanistic school of psychological thought (Carl Rogers, Fritz Perls, et al) tends to say unconsciously, whereas the Psychodynamic school of thought (the most prominent being Freud and Carl Jung), tends to use the term sub-conscious?

f***. Debating Freud, Jung and Rogers on a footy forum. Who says you don't learn anything useful following footy.

[asiu]

I'm assuming DV at play, if so that is a very sad predicament for a nearly 7 YO.

mmmmmm

way sadder , that a 7 year old (first born)
thought it was his responsibility to sort

then growing up
thinking he was a coward
for not taking action A

[Joffa Burns]

You must have been a very articulate and worldly five year old when you went to that match at Moorabbin 30 years ago to witness such racial abuse and make a bold and defining decision to attend only spasmodically over the next 30 years. Was the abuse leveled at our players by North fans or at Norths Krauker brothers by Saints fans?

I don't think I was 5.

But I do recall constant use of 'n word' was directed at Winmar - even when he wasn't involved in the play.

I also remember a kid about my age running off with the footy from behind the goals in the car park after a goal was kicked, and thinking to myself 'oh man, livin' the dream'.

I pretty much stopped going to the footy after the 05 Prelim. It was vile.

The group of Swans fans had a child with them too. It was just appalling. I couldn't get my head around them screaming such foul racial vitriol at Saints players - but then cheering for Goodes and O'Loughlin.

It wasn't a conscious decision to stop going after that night, I just ceased seeing the footy as a good environment to be in. It was an ugly scene that I just didn't want in my life.

Wow, 5 year old making those sort of decisions consciously or unconsciously.. just wow.

My Psychologist daughter would be prod of you Saynta, most people write/say sub-consciously when they actually mean unconsciously.

Fair enough, Joffa, but is there really a difference between saying "unconsciously" and "on a sub-conscious level" ? As I understand it, the Humanistic school of psychological thought (Carl Rogers, Fritz Perls, et al) tends to say unconsciously, whereas the Psychodynamic school of thought (the most prominent being Freud and Carl Jung), tends to use the term sub-conscious?

You have now gone above my pay scale Harvesman, I'll need to refer you to my daughter

[Joffa Burns]

I'm assuming DV at play, if so that is a very sad predicament for a nearly 7 YO.

mmmmmm

way sadder , that a 7 year old (first born)
thought it was his responsibility to sort

then growing up
thinking he was a coward
for not taking action A

Yes very sad indeed when you are not emotionally or physically able top process and deal with that.
The coward is not the 7 year old.

[Joffa Burns]

.... has only been to a handful of games in the last 30 years.....

??

Short term memory issues at 35, feeling sorry for you Barry Goneagain.

On a side note, FWIW, the worst racial abuse I've ever witnessed was at from North supporters at Moorabbin about 30 years ago - and even worse yet at the 05 Prelim from Swans supporters.

I actually reckon I've only been to about 4 or 5 games of footy since that night. Awful. Grotesque.

[BarryGrogan]

.... has only been to a handful of games in the last 30 years.....

??

Short term memory issues at 35, feeling sorry for you Barry Goneagain.

On a side note, FWIW, the worst racial abuse I've ever witnessed was at from North supporters at Moorabbin about 30 years ago - and even worse yet at the 05 Prelim from Swans supporters.

I actually reckon I've only been to about 4 or 5 games of footy since that night. Awful. Grotesque.

Was the 05 Prelim 30 years ago?

[Joffa Burns]

.... has only been to a handful of games in the last 30 years.....

??

Short term memory issues at 35, feeling sorry for you Barry Goneagain.

On a side note, FWIW, the worst racial abuse I've ever witnessed was at from North supporters at Moorabbin about 30 years ago - and even worse yet at the 05 Prelim from Swans supporters.

I actually reckon I've only been to about 4 or 5 games of footy since that night. Awful. Grotesque.

Was the 05 Prelim 30 years ago?

The North game was and you were about 5 at the time.

Still not sure what point I'm missing?

[BarryGrogan]

I actually reckon I've only been to about 4 or 5 games of footy since that night. Awful. Grotesque.

The North game was and you were about 5 at the time.

Still not sure what point I'm missing?

Didn't know they played night games at Moorabbin?

[asiu]

mmmmmm

eeeek ... this is tear up material to share

an absolute nightmare to process actually
... took 20 years
(to even feel like i was actually getting somewhere)

my contemptuousness
(for those ‘other’ adults in our neighbourhood who failed to act) ... [and MUST have known there was serious sh1t going down]
is still a work in progress

i understand they were scared
... fully got that bit.

[mcadam05]

I have a Question whos paying for the lawyer's ?? Being in BLM they couldnt give a toss about black people all they care how much coin they can get out of Gulity white folk , im not saying its Nicky but theres someone in his ear

How dare you call yourself after a great indigenous player and then come on here questioning Nicky’s truth and motives.

So him being on the front page of the paper in a George Floyd tee shirt was his idea? , maybe it was but I somehow doubt it . As for my nick name on here I picked that because he was my favourite player and not for the colour of his skin but because he was a bloody good player and I loved watching him play
Maybe as this is a footy forum we should remember judge players on they skills and not on anything else
I wonder how many of you have listen too the podcast because what I heard was 3 people taking about something that happened 27yrs ago and they gave there opinons on how they saw what happened that day now right or wrong its a opinon and everyone in this Country is free too give one.

[whiskers3614]

Speech is only free if the opinions you express fully conform to the SJWs interpretations.
Any slight deviation or questioning will see you called a racist, homophobe or other derogatory terms used by them to herd the sheep into the appropriate pens!

[Secret Kiel]

I have a Question whos paying for the lawyer's ?? Being in BLM they couldnt give a toss about black people all they care how much coin they can get out of Gulity white folk , im not saying its Nicky but theres someone in his ear

How dare you call yourself after a great indigenous player and then come on here questioning Nicky’s truth and motives.

So him being on the front page of the paper in a George Floyd tee shirt was his idea? , maybe it was but I somehow doubt it . As for my nick name on here I picked that because he was my favourite player and not for the colour of his skin but because he was a bloody good player and I loved watching him play
Maybe as this is a footy forum we should remember judge players on they skills and not on anything else
I wonder how many of you have listen too the podcast because what I heard was 3 people taking about something that happened 27yrs ago and they gave there opinons on how they saw what happened that day now right or wrong its a opinon and everyone in this Country is free too give one.

Ironically the only thing the wanksrs in that Podcast cared about was how much they could leverage off Nicky's legacy. Does that disturb you? Or are you only troubled by Nicky leveraging off his own legacy?

And as you rightly point out, everyone in this country is free to give thier opinion and my opinion is you have missed an opportunity to stand up to racism.

And it wasn't just plain ole rasism, it was cash for racism.

[Shaggy]

I have a Question whos paying for the lawyer's ?? Being in BLM they couldnt give a toss about black people all they care how much coin they can get out of Gulity white folk , im not saying its Nicky but theres someone in his ear

How dare you call yourself after a great indigenous player and then come on here questioning Nicky’s truth and motives.

So him being on the front page of the paper in a George Floyd tee shirt was his idea? , maybe it was but I somehow doubt it . As for my nick name on here I picked that because he was my favourite player and not for the colour of his skin but because he was a bloody good player and I loved watching him play
Maybe as this is a footy forum we should remember judge players on they skills and not on anything else
I wonder how many of you have listen too the podcast because what I heard was 3 people taking about something that happened 27yrs ago and they gave there opinons on how they saw what happened that day now right or wrong its a opinon and everyone in this Country is free too give one.

Nicky is the only one who knows what he was feeling that day.

I am guessing Nicky or his lawyers asked for a public retraction hence the legal action when they would not give it.

The wankers might want to be sued to create publicity for their podcast. Or maybe they are racist.

The dignified response would have been Scott to admit being wrong so that everyone can move on.