Pisshead

[The_Dud]

I suppose the humble by highly enjoyable chico roll is in trouble too.

About time the silent majority started hitting back at these cancel culture fwits.

It's a Chiko Roll.



But really, who cares if these things change their name?

My life moved on relatively unchanged when Fags changed their name to Fads.


The outrage from some people about these proposed changes, is worse than the outrage that causes the changes.

Funny, isn't it?

The crowd who love to spout "PC gone mad", "snowflakes", "ridiculous cancel culture" are the very same crowd who get all upset and offended if a lollie wants to change it's name, and threaten to boycott it if it does!

But irony is lost on some people I guess

Can't say I agree dud.

In one hand you have PC apologists lobbying companies and social media demanding change and on the other old boomers like me who point it out with a shake of the head but little more.

I like to ridicule and point out the stupidity, but don't care enough to do anything more.

Classic boomer behavior!

I don't think I saw any lobbying to change Red Skins or Chicos (which btw should probably just be ditched as they taste horrendous), seems like maybe Allen's is trying to get on the front foot? I know Red Skins took the 'red Indian' cartoon character off them a while ago, but the connection is obviously there. As you noted they took the N word off products in the passed, but where do you draw the line? I think 'red skins' is obviously not a great term (I doubt you'd say it to a group of Native Americans) so it makes sense to me people aren't thrilled about it.

I wouldn't walk up to group of Asians and say hi yellow skins, I wouldn't walk up to a white group and say hey white skins, I wouldn't walk up to an Indigenous Australian group and say hey black skins as it would be plain weird, so of course I wouldn't do it with a Native American group, nor would I walk up to them and say hello native Americans, In my opinion that is a very odd thing for you to write as the rationale to support your position as it bears no logic to how you would interact with another human or to the confectionery and whether the term is acceptable or racist.

If the term is "not a great term" how do you explain the Washington Redskins baseball team name and mascot? https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/ne ... story.html

What's next, Indian motorcycles and their Classic Chieftain, will Boeing rename the Apache helicopter?

I have also had the opportunity to live and work in the mid-west and still have family there and have met and befriended many native Americans over that period.

I have found the native Americans I have met to be the least political people I have met and least offended by terms such as the one that offends you.

I think we need to back up a bit.

Never said I was offended by the name, never said I think the name should change. I said I can understand why people wouldn’t be thrilled about it.

I probably used a lazy example, a better one might be if someone were talking to a third party about a group of native Americans, I doubt they’d say “those red skins over there”.

And unlike ‘red skins’, I don’t think ‘black/white/yellow skins’ are a used term, so obviously that would be weird, but there are plenty of terms for those groups which were used in the past but clearly aren’t nowadays.

I think you mean the NFL team Washington Redskins, and I know there has been calls to change their name. The article you cited is interesting, though the poll has a fairly small sample size.

[Enrico_Misso]

Well I'm going to stock up on Coon cheese tomorrow as their factory will probably be torched by the weekend.

[minneapolis]

Well I'm going to stock up on Coon cheese tomorrow as their factory will probably be torched by the weekend.

Yum. Melted Coon cheese on toast. My favorite.

[saintspremiers]

Well I'm going to stock up on Coon cheese tomorrow as their factory will probably be torched by the weekend.

Yum. Melted Coon cheese on toast. My favorite.

A toasted *you know who* ?

[Joffa Burns]

In one hand you have PC apologists lobbying companies and social media demanding change and on the other old boomers like me who point it out with a shake of the head but little more.

This is what's wrong with the world.

The 'Right' think that the 'Left' is made up of "PC apologists lobbying companies and social media demanding change", and the 'Left' think the 'Right' is made up of hysterical, heartless, greedy, racist, old white turds that are scared of everything.

Unfortunately, politicians and the media peddle this and do their utmost to create sides.

Reality is though, the far end of both 'side' are total dicks.

The rest of us on both sides are pretty reasonable.

What's wrong with the world is that people think that some of this self-righteous, selective and hypocritical virtue signalling nonsense will actually make a difference. It won't.

The left-wing right-wing reference system is total bulls***.

Politicians govern by divide and rule since time immemorial.

The media loves it because it provides an endless supply of sensationalist headlines and improves their bottom line.

Some of these name changes sound like opportunistic bulls*** to me. Companies are only ultimately interested in making a profit. The rest is bulls*** because they don't talk their walk. One easy example to prove this is that no government, union or company has addressed the issue of wage theft. Just pay your employers the wage they are entitled to, provide decent working conditions and stay the f*** in your lane.

Everything else is bulls***.

PS. Oh the moralising on here by the usual...

Pricless...

As an employer I am very passionate about OH&S as priority one and wage theft runs a close second.
It is interesting you bring this up on this thread as Netsle' (brand owner of Allens) and one of the top two food companies in the world are an interesting company when it comes to standards.

Their international pet food division is beyond reproach in regard to stringent auditing of their supply partners and are committed to ethical sourcing. It's fair to state the Nestle' international policies around OH&S & ethical standards are world class however working from the same HO location in Rhodes NSW as the Pet Food Division is the Confectionery Division who have an ostrich approach, particularly when it comes to wage theft.

The company referred in the below link has been to court for paying illegal piece rates on four occasions and has moved from piece rates to sham contracting, yet Nestle along Mars continue to utilise their services due to the fact they charge about half of industry standard prices. For the record Cadbury/Mondelez walked away from this company when their IR practices became public.

So Nestle' will moralise and change the name of Chicos and redskins will happily sub contract work to a company that is on a court order for systematic wage theft. Go figure!

Fair days work for a fair days pay, that is all any employer or employee should expect and respect.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... knvj1.html

[Joffa Burns]

Well I'm going to stock up on Coon cheese tomorrow as their factory will probably be torched by the weekend.

Yum. Melted Coon cheese on toast. My favorite.

A toasted *you know who* ?

https://www.news.com.au/finance/busines ... 59837562e0

[SaintPav]

In one hand you have PC apologists lobbying companies and social media demanding change and on the other old boomers like me who point it out with a shake of the head but little more.

This is what's wrong with the world.

The 'Right' think that the 'Left' is made up of "PC apologists lobbying companies and social media demanding change", and the 'Left' think the 'Right' is made up of hysterical, heartless, greedy, racist, old white turds that are scared of everything.

Unfortunately, politicians and the media peddle this and do their utmost to create sides.

Reality is though, the far end of both 'side' are total dicks.

The rest of us on both sides are pretty reasonable.

What's wrong with the world is that people think that some of this self-righteous, selective and hypocritical virtue signalling nonsense will actually make a difference. It won't.

The left-wing right-wing reference system is total bulls***.

Politicians govern by divide and rule since time immemorial.

The media loves it because it provides an endless supply of sensationalist headlines and improves their bottom line.

Some of these name changes sound like opportunistic bulls*** to me. Companies are only ultimately interested in making a profit. The rest is bulls*** because they don't talk their walk. One easy example to prove this is that no government, union or company has addressed the issue of wage theft. Just pay your employers the wage they are entitled to, provide decent working conditions and stay the f*** in your lane.

Everything else is bulls***.

PS. Oh the moralising on here by the usual...

Pricless...

As an employer I am very passionate about OH&S as priority one and wage theft runs a close second.
It is interesting you bring this up on this thread as Netsle' (brand owner of Allens) and one of the top two food companies in the world are an interesting company when it comes to standards.

Their international pet food division is beyond reproach in regard to stringent auditing of their supply partners and are committed to ethical sourcing. It's fair to state the Nestle' international policies around OH&S & ethical standards are world class however working from the same HO location in Rhodes NSW as the Pet Food Division is the Confectionery Division who have an ostrich approach, particularly when it comes to wage theft.

The company referred in the below link has been to court for paying illegal piece rates on four occasions and has moved from piece rates to sham contracting, yet Nestle along Mars continue to utilise their services due to the fact they charge about half of industry standard prices. For the record Cadbury/Mondelez walked away from this company when their IR practices became public.

So Nestle' will moralise and change the name of Chicos and redskins will happily sub contract work to a company that is on a court order for systematic wage theft. Go figure!

Fair days work for a fair days pay, that is all any employer or employee should expect and respect.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... knvj1.html

Thank you!

[saintspremiers]

Well I'm going to stock up on Coon cheese tomorrow as their factory will probably be torched by the weekend.

Yum. Melted Coon cheese on toast. My favorite.

A toasted *you know who* ?

https://www.news.com.au/finance/busines ... 59837562e0

Let’s face it, <edit by mods> the name could’ve been changed at many junctures in our history over the past 100 years. I see no reason for the sudden change now.

[BarryGrogan]

Let’s face it, before the low life scum was murdered, the name could’ve been changed at many junctures in our history over the past 100 years. I see no reason for the sudden change now.

It's not sudden.

It's been a slow burn for decades.

People realising their mistakes and addressing them is not new. Well, it is for some people, but not most.

[BarryGrogan]

Well I'm going to stock up on Coon cheese tomorrow as their factory will probably be torched by the weekend.

Yum. Melted Coon cheese on toast. My favorite.

A toasted *you know who* ?

https://www.news.com.au/finance/busines ... 59837562e0

Oh News Corp media, don't ever change.


"A comedian’s call to change the name of iconic Australian cheese brand Coon.."

"Yesterday, funnyman Josh Thomas took to Twitter with an image of the product alongside the caption: “Hey Australia – are we still chill with this?”"


I can't see where a comedian has called for Coon to change their name??

[saynta]

The only point I'd argue is you don't need to veer too far left to find an abundance of your eloquently described group.

That's just complete ignorance and close mindedness.

Unfortunately, that ill-informed mentality also exists on both sides.

Don't you mean "closed"?

[saynta]

In one hand you have PC apologists lobbying companies and social media demanding change and on the other old boomers like me who point it out with a shake of the head but little more.

This is what's wrong with the world.

The 'Right' think that the 'Left' is made up of "PC apologists lobbying companies and social media demanding change", and the 'Left' think the 'Right' is made up of hysterical, heartless, greedy, racist, old white turds that are scared of everything.

Unfortunately, politicians and the media peddle this and do their utmost to create sides.

Reality is though, the far end of both 'side' are total dicks.

The rest of us on both sides are pretty reasonable.

What's wrong with the world is that people think that some of this self-righteous, selective and hypocritical virtue signalling nonsense will actually make a difference. It won't.

The left-wing right-wing reference system is total bulls***.

Politicians govern by divide and rule since time immemorial.

The media loves it because it provides an endless supply of sensationalist headlines and improves their bottom line.

Some of these name changes sound like opportunistic bulls*** to me. Companies are only ultimately interested in making a profit. The rest is bulls*** because they don't talk their walk. One easy example to prove this is that no government, union or company has addressed the issue of wage theft. Just pay your employers the wage they are entitled to, provide decent working conditions and stay the f*** in your lane.

Everything else is bulls***.

PS. Oh the moralising on here by the usual...

Pricless...

As an employer I am very passionate about OH&S as priority one and wage theft runs a close second.
It is interesting you bring this up on this thread as Netsle' (brand owner of Allens) and one of the top two food companies in the world are an interesting company when it comes to standards.

Their international pet food division is beyond reproach in regard to stringent auditing of their supply partners and are committed to ethical sourcing. It's fair to state the Nestle' international policies around OH&S & ethical standards are world class however working from the same HO location in Rhodes NSW as the Pet Food Division is the Confectionery Division who have an ostrich approach, particularly when it comes to wage theft.

The company referred in the below link has been to court for paying illegal piece rates on four occasions and has moved from piece rates to sham contracting, yet Nestle along Mars continue to utilise their services due to the fact they charge about half of industry standard prices. For the record Cadbury/Mondelez walked away from this company when their IR practices became public.

So Nestle' will moralise and change the name of Chicos and redskins will happily sub contract work to a company that is on a court order for systematic wage theft. Go figure!

Fair days work for a fair days pay, that is all any employer or employee should expect and respect.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... knvj1.html

Interesting article, which will be unpalatable to some.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opini ... 8cb1ff8864

[BarryGrogan]

Fair days work for a fair days pay, that is all any employer or employee should expect and respect.

Careful! You're sounding like a looney leftie there!

[desertsaint]

Fair days work for a fair days pay, that is all any employer or employee should expect and respect.

Careful! You're sounding like a looney leftie there!

bar the very extreme left and very extreme right, no one would think differently.
the devil is in the detail.

[Spinner]

Well I'm going to stock up on Coon cheese tomorrow as their factory will probably be torched by the weekend.

Yum. Melted Coon cheese on toast. My favorite.

A toasted *you know who* ?

https://www.news.com.au/finance/busines ... 59837562e0

Let’s face it, before the low life scum was murdered, the name could’ve been changed at many junctures in our history over the past 100 years. I see no reason for the sudden change now.

Must take a low life scum to know one...

The usual types turning this thread into a cesspit and pulling each other off too.

<1 day ban for commenting negatively on another poster>

[Joffa Burns]

Fair days work for a fair days pay, that is all any employer or employee should expect and respect.

Careful! You're sounding like a looney leftie there!

bar the very extreme left and very extreme right, no one would think differently.
the devil is in the detail.

Thinking too logically there desertsaint!

Rightly or wrongly depending upon individual opinion, my view on Unionism in Australia is very left wing and this is where I have an issue.

I previously posted a link to a Melbourne Company that has stolen wages from its staff (mostly non English speaking immigrants) since 2010, has been to Fairwork and Court on four occasions but remains untouched and unchallenged by the AMWU & AWU who service that industry.

Meanwhile those Unions hold Major Industry Manufacturers to ransom over wages and conditions for employees that are not sustainable in Australia pre-covid and will be worse post.

Isn't their role to ensure the downtrodden are given equal rights?

Why do the Unions ignore the companies that under pay and exploit workers?
One reason and one reason only, and that is because those workers are highly unlikely to become a Union member and the modern Union is only interested in signing members and gaining majority control over sites where they can play bully tactics and hold the companies to ransom.

Fair days work for a fair days pay, that is all any employer or employee should expect and respect.
Why is it that I believe in the above as do my network of business contacts, but the Unions who are supposed to represent the mistreated don't give a hairy rats ringer?

[Spinner]

In one hand you have PC apologists lobbying companies and social media demanding change and on the other old boomers like me who point it out with a shake of the head but little more.

This is what's wrong with the world.

The 'Right' think that the 'Left' is made up of "PC apologists lobbying companies and social media demanding change", and the 'Left' think the 'Right' is made up of hysterical, heartless, greedy, racist, old white turds that are scared of everything.

Unfortunately, politicians and the media peddle this and do their utmost to create sides.

Reality is though, the far end of both 'side' are total dicks.

The rest of us on both sides are pretty reasonable.

What's wrong with the world is that people think that some of this self-righteous, selective and hypocritical virtue signalling nonsense will actually make a difference. It won't.

The left-wing right-wing reference system is total bulls***.

Politicians govern by divide and rule since time immemorial.

The media loves it because it provides an endless supply of sensationalist headlines and improves their bottom line.

Some of these name changes sound like opportunistic bulls*** to me. Companies are only ultimately interested in making a profit. The rest is bulls*** because they don't talk their walk. One easy example to prove this is that no government, union or company has addressed the issue of wage theft. Just pay your employers the wage they are entitled to, provide decent working conditions and stay the f*** in your lane.

Everything else is bulls***.

PS. Oh the moralising on here by the usual...

Pricless...

Do you losers get this crap out of some sort of hand book?

Think for yourself for goodness sake.

[BarryGrogan]

Fair days work for a fair days pay, that is all any employer or employee should expect and respect.
Why is it that I believe in the above as do my network of business contacts, but the Unions who are supposed to represent the mistreated don't give a hairy rats ringer?

?

So all unions operate like this - but all business owners just a want a fair go for all?


Are you being serious?

[desertsaint]

Fair days work for a fair days pay, that is all any employer or employee should expect and respect.

Careful! You're sounding like a looney leftie there!

bar the very extreme left and very extreme right, no one would think differently.
the devil is in the detail.

Thinking too logically there desertsaint!

Rightly or wrongly depending upon individual opinion, my view on Unionism in Australia is very left wing and this is where I have an issue.

I previously posted a link to a Melbourne Company that has stolen wages from its staff (mostly non English speaking immigrants) since 2010, has been to Fairwork and Court on four occasions but remains untouched and unchallenged by the AMWU & AWU who service that industry.

Meanwhile those Unions hold Major Industry Manufacturers to ransom over wages and conditions for employees that are not sustainable in Australia pre-covid and will be worse post.

Isn't their role to ensure the downtrodden are given equal rights?

Why do the Unions ignore the companies that under pay and exploit workers?
One reason and one reason only, and that is because those workers are highly unlikely to become a Union member and the modern Union is only interested in signing members and gaining majority control over sites where they can play bully tactics and hold the companies to ransom.

Fair days work for a fair days pay, that is all any employer or employee should expect and respect.
Why is it that I believe in the above as do my network of business contacts, but the Unions who are supposed to represent the mistreated don't give a hairy rats ringer?

no argument about unions, i've been and left three. all crooked, rather useless, and self-serving. my point was toward individuals, once we're in a group any altruistic reasonableness seems to defer to group power.

[saynta]

Fair days work for a fair days pay, that is all any employer or employee should expect and respect.

Careful! You're sounding like a looney leftie there!

bar the very extreme left and very extreme right, no one would think differently.
the devil is in the detail.

Thinking too logically there desertsaint!

Rightly or wrongly depending upon individual opinion, my view on Unionism in Australia is very left wing and this is where I have an issue.

I previously posted a link to a Melbourne Company that has stolen wages from its staff (mostly non English speaking immigrants) since 2010, has been to Fairwork and Court on four occasions but remains untouched and unchallenged by the AMWU & AWU who service that industry.

Meanwhile those Unions hold Major Industry Manufacturers to ransom over wages and conditions for employees that are not sustainable in Australia pre-covid and will be worse post.

Isn't their role to ensure the downtrodden are given equal rights?

Why do the Unions ignore the companies that under pay and exploit workers?
One reason and one reason only, and that is because those workers are highly unlikely to become a Union member and the modern Union is only interested in signing members and gaining majority control over sites where they can play bully tactics and hold the companies to ransom.

Fair days work for a fair days pay, that is all any employer or employee should expect and respect.
Why is it that I believe in the above as do my network of business contacts, but the Unions who are supposed to represent the mistreated don't give a hairy rats ringer?

no argument about unions, i've been and left three. all crooked, rather useless, and self-serving. my point was toward individuals, once we're in a group any altruistic reasonableness seems to defer to group power.

Ditto. I used to a union delegate at one point in time. Harassed my fellow workers tp pay their union dues, But soon saw the light and who the officials were really interested in...themselves.

[BarryGrogan]

no argument about unions, i've been and left three. all crooked, rather useless, and self-serving. my point was toward individuals, once we're in a group any altruistic reasonableness seems to defer to group power.

Ditto. I used to a union delegate at one point in time. Harassed my fellow workers tp pay their union dues, But soon saw the light and who the officials were really interested in...themselves.

You need to be careful though, that common sense doesn't get clouded by someone else's agenda.


Individuals within Unions can absolutely be crooks and assholes. But I'd absolutely argue that the concept of Unions are a necessity and we have a lot to be thankful as a society because of them.

It's like thinking umpires are s*** - that doesn't mean we don't need them.

The 'right wing' narrative that Unions should be abolished is completely wrong. The 'left wing' retort that Unions are perfect is also wrong.


Unfortunately, the media (shock jocks and editorials disguised as actual news reports mainly) and our politicians push the 'pick a side' mentality for their own gain. It's unfortunate that they do it - and even more unfortunate that people get sucked in to it.

[saynta]

no argument about unions, i've been and left three. all crooked, rather useless, and self-serving. my point was toward individuals, once we're in a group any altruistic reasonableness seems to defer to group power.

Ditto. I used to a union delegate at one point in time. Harassed my fellow workers tp pay their union dues, But soon saw the light and who the officials were really interested in...themselves.

You need to be careful though, that common sense doesn't get clouded by someone else's agenda.


Individuals within Unions can absolutely be crooks and assholes. But I'd absolutely argue that the concept of Unions are a necessity and we have a lot to be thankful as a society because of them.

It's like thinking umpires are s*** - that doesn't mean we don't need them.

The 'right wing' narrative that Unions should be abolished is completely wrong. The 'left wing' retort that Unions are perfect is also wrong.


Unfortunately, the media (shock jocks and editorials disguised as actual news reports mainly) and our politicians push the 'pick a side' mentality for their own gain. It's unfortunate that they do it - and even more unfortunate that people get sucked in to it.

It's alright mate. I can think for myself.

[roskilde]

no argument about unions, i've been and left three. all crooked, rather useless, and self-serving. my point was toward individuals, once we're in a group any altruistic reasonableness seems to defer to group power.

Ditto. I used to a union delegate at one point in time. Harassed my fellow workers tp pay their union dues, But soon saw the light and who the officials were really interested in...themselves.

You need to be careful though, that common sense doesn't get clouded by someone else's agenda.


Individuals within Unions can absolutely be crooks and assholes. But I'd absolutely argue that the concept of Unions are a necessity and we have a lot to be thankful as a society because of them.

It's like thinking umpires are s*** - that doesn't mean we don't need them.

The 'right wing' narrative that Unions should be abolished is completely wrong. The 'left wing' retort that Unions are perfect is also wrong.


Unfortunately, the media (shock jocks and editorials disguised as actual news reports mainly) and our politicians push the 'pick a side' mentality for their own gain. It's unfortunate that they do it - and even more unfortunate that people get sucked in to it.

Absolutely. The labour movement in Australia and elsewhere in the world is one of the best achievements we've accomplished. They made it possible for people to have the conditions and remuneration that allowed workers to be independent and safe.

Of course there's corruption -- there will be in any institution with access to money and power -- but if you're just a knee jerk anti-Union type you're not really thinking straight and probably just falling for the line of people who would rather like it if they could just bloody pay the poor people they employ much less than they should.

[Joffa Burns]

Fair days work for a fair days pay, that is all any employer or employee should expect and respect.
Why is it that I believe in the above as do my network of business contacts, but the Unions who are supposed to represent the mistreated don't give a hairy rats ringer?

?

So all unions operate like this - but all business owners just a want a fair go for all?


Are you being serious?

So that's what you take out of the post!

The question is are you being serious and can you comprehend what has been written in this thread Barry?

Why generalize about all unions and all business owners?
Where did I write all Unions and all Business owners?

In my post I referenced:
- Two specific unions
- A company stealing wages
- A link to the court findings
- The Multinationals who utilise this company
- The rationale of why the Unions take no action against these thieves
- I referenced my contact network

How does anyone with an ounce of common sense respond with your reply Barry?

If you wish to generalize and misquote one line from the post go right ahead, but your comment is out of context and disingenuous at best.

Any wonder I am dismissive of left wing nuffies, particularly when they write bulls*** like the post of yours I have quoted above.

[BarryGrogan]

Fair days work for a fair days pay, that is all any employer or employee should expect and respect.
Why is it that I believe in the above as do my network of business contacts, but the Unions who are supposed to represent the mistreated don't give a hairy rats ringer?

?

So all unions operate like this - but all business owners just a want a fair go for all?


Are you being serious?

So that's what you take out of the post!

The question is are you being serious and can you comprehend what has been written in this thread Barry?

Why generalize about all unions and all business owners?
Where did I write all Unions and all Business owners?

In my post I referenced:
- Two specific unions
- A company stealing wages
- A link to the court findings
- The Multinationals who utilise this company
- The rationale of why the Unions take no action against these thieves
- I referenced my contact network

How does anyone with an ounce of common sense respond with your reply Barry?

If you wish to generalize and misquote one line from the post go right ahead, but your comment is out of context and disingenuous at best.

Any wonder I am dismissive of left wing nuffies, particularly when they write bulls*** like the post of yours I have quoted above.

I simply asked a question.