Sam Gilbert 2 year ban for cocaine use

[Trev from the Bush]

Real shame, I’d rate Gilbo along with Jimmy Webster the nicest most down to earth Saints players I have met.

Hell of a nice guy and great with supporters and kids.

Very sad.

Very disappointing as Gilbo is a lovely guy who makes time for everyone.
Duthie on the other hand is a lying piece of low-life filth who thoroughly deserves a visit from a bull-barred Karma bus.

How low can you go saying something as disgusting as this about a young woman suffering from cervical cancer! Take a break, pal. Could I suggest where I spent my January holidays - the oncology and haemotology ward. You would come out of there with a different outlook on life, for sure. Judging by your comment, any minor improvement would be a major development in the way you see life.

Settle Trev - What Duthie did in the past is still fact. I had no idea she had cancer until reading this thread. Not all of us hear all the news all the time.

Get real. She was a bloody kid. Regardless, extremely low comments by Enrico.

[Secret Kiel]

How Enrico responds next will be the true mark of the man.

[samuraisaint]

People can be nice AND snort coke, they’re not mutually exclusive.

And anyone who thinks ‘recreational’ drug use isn’t widespread across the whole AFL has their head well and truly in the sand.

There are plenty of highly functioning drug users out there.

Grog, coffee and smokes are all drugs too - and tea and chocolate contain low levels of a drug.

Last time I checked coffee, tea and chocolate weren't illegal or on the AFL banned game day list.
Nor could you be arrested for selling them or making them at home.

Smokes are in a different category.

Not wanting to sound disingenuous here but I think coffee or caffeine tablets have been the subject of testing in the past - was it drinking a lot of coffee, or taking caffeine tablets before sporting events?

And you're right about smokes being in a different category - certainly not performance enhancing though.

[Secret Kiel]

Any drug that creates tax is legal.

Drugs that can't be taxed are only illegal if you get caught taking them.

[Joffa Burns]

People can be nice AND snort coke, they’re not mutually exclusive.

And anyone who thinks ‘recreational’ drug use isn’t widespread across the whole AFL has their head well and truly in the sand.

There are plenty of highly functioning drug users out there.

Grog, coffee and smokes are all drugs too - and tea and chocolate contain low levels of a drug.

Last time I checked coffee, tea and chocolate weren't illegal or on the AFL banned game day list.
Nor could you be arrested for selling them or making them at home.

Smokes are in a different category.

Not wanting to sound disingenuous here but I think coffee or caffeine tablets have been the subject of testing in the past - was it drinking a lot of coffee, or taking caffeine tablets before sporting events?

And you're right about smokes being in a different category - certainly not performance enhancing though.

I think you are referring to the pentathlete (Alex?) who was taking caffeine tablets but said his high caffeine levels were from drinking coffee. Caffeine is no longer banned as a stimulant, maybe after the 1988 Olympics?

I remember watching Saints players in the GT era chewing caffeine tablets at 3/4 time in matches.

[samuraisaint]

People can be nice AND snort coke, they’re not mutually exclusive.

And anyone who thinks ‘recreational’ drug use isn’t widespread across the whole AFL has their head well and truly in the sand.

There are plenty of highly functioning drug users out there.

Grog, coffee and smokes are all drugs too - and tea and chocolate contain low levels of a drug.

Last time I checked coffee, tea and chocolate weren't illegal or on the AFL banned game day list.
Nor could you be arrested for selling them or making them at home.

Smokes are in a different category.

Not wanting to sound disingenuous here but I think coffee or caffeine tablets have been the subject of testing in the past - was it drinking a lot of coffee, or taking caffeine tablets before sporting events?

And you're right about smokes being in a different category - certainly not performance enhancing though.

I think you are referring to the pentathlete (Alex?) who was taking caffeine tablets but said his high caffeine levels were from drinking coffee. Caffeine is no longer banned as a stimulant, maybe after the 1988 Olympics?

I remember watching Saints players in the GT era chewing caffeine tablets at 3/4 time in matches.

Yep - I'm pretty sure that is the case I was thinking of.

[Enrico_Misso]

Real shame, I’d rate Gilbo along with Jimmy Webster the nicest most down to earth Saints players I have met.

Hell of a nice guy and great with supporters and kids.

Very sad.

Very disappointing as Gilbo is a lovely guy who makes time for everyone.
Duthie on the other hand is a lying piece of low-life filth who thoroughly deserves a visit from a bull-barred Karma bus.

How low can you go saying something as disgusting as this about a young woman suffering from cervical cancer! Take a break, pal. Could I suggest where I spent my January holidays - the oncology and haemotology ward. You would come out of there with a different outlook on life, for sure. Judging by your comment, any minor improvement would be a major development in the way you see life.

Settle Trev - What Duthie did in the past is still fact. I had no idea she had cancer until reading this thread. Not all of us hear all the news all the time.

Get real. She was a bloody kid. Regardless, extremely low comments by Enrico.

Apologies if my comments upset anyone.
The thread didn't make it clear the who and the what and that Hun link firewall doesn't work for me.
I wouldn't wish cancer on anyone.

But let's distinguish between the present and the past.
The mere mention of that Duthie womans name really steams me up.  
The so called "StKilda Schoolgirl" scandal was outrageously unfair.
Just because someone is suffering today doesn't excuse their disgraceful past behaviour.

This woman's deceitful behaviour fanned by the obsession of the morally bankrupt Carro TOTALLY unfairly portrayed our club in a bad light for months and months during a year when we could have and arguably should have won a premiership.
And quite likely in the absence of that media intrusion constantly hanging over our heads we WOULD HAVE won that premiership.
(Roo has written about the impact this had on the team psyche).
All because of how that lying piece of garbage manipulated our players and the media.

[Devilhead]

Being a nice guy and being dumbarse stupid isn't mutually exclusive either

[Ghost Like]

Any drug that creates tax is legal.

Drugs that can't be taxed are only illegal if you get caught taking them.

Or manufacturing / cultivating, dealing or holding them.

[skeptic]

Real shame, I’d rate Gilbo along with Jimmy Webster the nicest most down to earth Saints players I have met.

Hell of a nice guy and great with supporters and kids.

Very sad.

Very disappointing as Gilbo is a lovely guy who makes time for everyone.
Duthie on the other hand is a lying piece of low-life filth who thoroughly deserves a visit from a bull-barred Karma bus.

How low can you go saying something as disgusting as this about a young woman suffering from cervical cancer! Take a break, pal. Could I suggest where I spent my January holidays - the oncology and haemotology ward. You would come out of there with a different outlook on life, for sure. Judging by your comment, any minor improvement would be a major development in the way you see life.

Settle Trev - What Duthie did in the past is still fact. I had no idea she had cancer until reading this thread. Not all of us hear all the news all the time.

Get real. She was a bloody kid. Regardless, extremely low comments by Enrico.

Apologies if my comments upset anyone.
The thread didn't make it clear the who and the what and that Hun link firewall doesn't work for me.
I wouldn't wish cancer on anyone.

But let's distinguish between the present and the past.
The mere mention of that Duthie womans name really steams me up.  
The so called "StKilda Schoolgirl" scandal was outrageously unfair.
Just because someone is suffering today doesn't excuse their disgraceful past behaviour.

This woman's deceitful behaviour fanned by the obsession of the morally bankrupt Carro TOTALLY unfairly portrayed our club in a bad light for months and months during a year when we could have and arguably should have won a premiership.
And quite likely in the absence of that media intrusion constantly hanging over our heads we WOULD HAVE won that premiership.
(Roo has written about the impact this had on the team psyche).
All because of how that lying piece of garbage manipulated our players and the media.

You’re not wrong.

I tend to consider the media (not just Caro but all of the outlets that ran us into the ground including the Scum and news/radio outlets) as the most culpable in that sorry saga.

When the basis of your profession is to seek out and report the truth... with all the money, resources and man power available for these outlets... an emotionally unstable teenager/young adult shouldn’t be able to categorically out play you on every level over a period of a year or so.

But they let it all happen. Not excusing KD at all but she did what messed up ppl do at times and it shouldn’t have been able to go on the way it did

It’s why I laugh when ppl here carry on about garbage rags like the Herald Sun like they’re factual and for clever ppl.
They’re not journalism and they have little regard for truth, research, depth etc. Just sensationalised BS to take ur money and drive specific agendas

[mr six o'clock]

Apologies if my comments upset anyone.
The thread didn't make it clear the who and the what and that Hun link firewall doesn't work for me.
I wouldn't wish cancer on anyone.

But let's distinguish between the present and the past.
The mere mention of that Duthie womans name really steams me up.  
The so called "StKilda Schoolgirl" scandal was outrageously unfair.
Just because someone is suffering today doesn't excuse their disgraceful past behaviour.

This woman's deceitful behaviour fanned by the obsession of the morally bankrupt Carro TOTALLY unfairly portrayed our club in a bad light for months and months during a year when we could have and arguably should have won a premiership.
And quite likely in the absence of that media intrusion constantly hanging over our heads we WOULD HAVE won that premiership.
(Roo has written about the impact this had on the team psyche).
All because of how that lying piece of garbage manipulated our players and the media.

Yep
She and the media also totally set up morally bankrupt ricky nixon .
Then when the truth came out . That this woman had issues and it was all BS .The media never apologized to the club or the players affected. The fact that it still gets reported as the st kilda school girl scandal galls me .

[Trev from the Bush]

Enrico, you were going okay until you used the word "but".

[The_Dud]

There are 7.5 Billion people on Earth.

Every day terrible things happen to good, honest, generous people which is totally out of their control. My heart goes out to them.

When bad things happen to sh*tty people, I’m sorry but I don’t have too much sympathy.

[saint6709]

Any drug that creates tax is legal.

Drugs that can't be taxed are only illegal if you get caught taking them.

Or manufacturing / cultivating, dealing or holding them.

Agree with the sentiment of this above - the drugs that are taxed - smokes and booze do far more damage than the 'illegal' un taxed drugs

i dont feel the urge to engage in a 'citizens arrest' type mentality - I think the government have got a lot of this wrong - MDMA for example is said to do incredible things for PTSD - so if someone uses that are they a complete write off to society ? What about the lives destroyed by alcoholism ? both for the alcoholic and their families and friends ?

Why do so many people want to just fall in line with what we are told by the government ? With this COVID issue why were beauty saloons forcefully closed and hairdressers allowed to operate ? Why do politicians think its ok for people to join dole queues yet they wont take a pay cut ?

Gilbert is a young guy engaging in young guy activity ( recreational drugs) - i dont agree with anyone writing him off for that

[saint6709]

Any drug that creates tax is legal.

Drugs that can't be taxed are only illegal if you get caught taking them.

Or manufacturing / cultivating, dealing or holding them.

Agree with the sentiment of this above - the drugs that are taxed - smokes and booze do far more damage than the 'illegal' un taxed drugs

i dont feel the urge to engage in a 'citizens arrest' type mentality - I think the government have got a lot of this wrong - MDMA for example is said to do incredible things for PTSD - so if someone uses that are they a complete write off to society ? What about the lives destroyed by alcoholism ? both for the alcoholic and their families and friends ?

Why do so many people want to just fall in line with what we are told by the government ? With this COVID issue why were beauty saloons forcefully closed and hairdressers allowed to operate ? Why do politicians think its ok for people to join dole queues yet they wont take a pay cut ?

Gilbert is a young guy engaging in young guy activity ( recreational drugs) - i dont agree with anyone writing him off for that

[CURLY]

Don’t blame Kim Duthie blame the media. It was driven by bias and it undermined our season.

[sunsaint]

People can be nice AND snort coke, they’re not mutually exclusive.

And anyone who thinks ‘recreational’ drug use isn’t widespread across the whole AFL has their head well and truly in the sand.

There are plenty of highly functioning drug users out there.

Grog, coffee and smokes are all drugs too - and tea and chocolate contain low levels of a drug.

Last time I checked coffee, tea and chocolate weren't illegal or on the AFL banned game day list.
Nor could you be arrested for selling them or making them at home.

Smokes are in a different category.

Actually caffeine is banned

[Joffa Burns]

People can be nice AND snort coke, they’re not mutually exclusive.

And anyone who thinks ‘recreational’ drug use isn’t widespread across the whole AFL has their head well and truly in the sand.

There are plenty of highly functioning drug users out there.

Grog, coffee and smokes are all drugs too - and tea and chocolate contain low levels of a drug.

Last time I checked coffee, tea and chocolate weren't illegal or on the AFL banned game day list.
Nor could you be arrested for selling them or making them at home.

Smokes are in a different category.

Actually caffeine is banned

I'd like to see some proof of that.

What sports ban caffeine and what levels do you need to reach before action is taken?
I have a family member who drinks coffee while at training camps at the AIS and has been drug tested whilst there.

I also know athletes who chew caffeine tablets during competition for a kick.

[Ghost Like]

Any drug that creates tax is legal.

Drugs that can't be taxed are only illegal if you get caught taking them.

Or manufacturing / cultivating, dealing or holding them.

Agree with the sentiment of this above - the drugs that are taxed - smokes and booze do far more damage than the 'illegal' un taxed drugs

i dont feel the urge to engage in a 'citizens arrest' type mentality - I think the government have got a lot of this wrong - MDMA for example is said to do incredible things for PTSD - so if someone uses that are they a complete write off to society ? What about the lives destroyed by alcoholism ? both for the alcoholic and their families and friends ?

Why do so many people want to just fall in line with what we are told by the government ? With this COVID issue why were beauty saloons forcefully closed and hairdressers allowed to operate ? Why do politicians think its ok for people to join dole queues yet they wont take a pay cut ?

Gilbert is a young guy engaging in young guy activity ( recreational drugs) - i dont agree with anyone writing him off for that

I must admit I'm torn in relation to this response. Firstly I believe the Government is just as, if not more, addicted to tobacco & alcohol. Those people who enjoy a smoke or a drink are certainly paying overs and those high taxes they pay should well and truly cover a lot of the health costs.

In terms of illegal, so called "receeational", drugs I believe they offer far more pain within society without contributing a cent to that pain. If you've ever had to deal with someone in the grip of drugs like "ice", heroin, GHB, long term abuse of cannabis you will know the told and untold pain.

MDMA in a controlled environment may relieve / enhance certain conditions but sadly those peddling it and those using it are not doing so for any altruistic reasons.

Government decisions in relation to the COVID-19 pandemic are simply to draw a line, which they have to. You do not have to be any great orator to pick holes in what's allowed and what isn't but they, we need that line drawn.

I have no issues with them getting their full pay during this crisis, I'd have an issue if they received a pay rise. I do have issues with their super access & ease of the % that gets passed when they do increase their salaries but that's for another debate.

I do not vilify Gilbo for his drug use but I do feel sorry for him and hope his friends and family rally around him. I hope he accepts that and doesn't abuse that care.

[saynta]

People can be nice AND snort coke, they’re not mutually exclusive.

And anyone who thinks ‘recreational’ drug use isn’t widespread across the whole AFL has their head well and truly in the sand.

There are plenty of highly functioning drug users out there.

Grog, coffee and smokes are all drugs too - and tea and chocolate contain low levels of a drug.

Last time I checked coffee, tea and chocolate weren't illegal or on the AFL banned game day list.
Nor could you be arrested for selling them or making them at home.

Smokes are in a different category.

Actually caffeine is banned

I'd like to see some proof of that.

What sports ban caffeine and what levels do you need to reach before action is taken?
I have a family member who drinks coffee while at training camps at the AIS and has been drug tested whilst there.

I also know athletes who chew caffeine tablets during competition for a kick.

"caffeine was considered a banned substance in sport by the medical commission of the International Olympic Committee and other anti-doping authorities between 1984 and 2004, and its use was prohibited only in competition.Jan 29, 2019"

[sunsaint]

I'd like to see some proof of that.

What sports ban caffeine and what levels do you need to reach before action is taken?
I have a family member who drinks coffee while at training camps at the AIS and has been drug tested whilst there.

I also know athletes who chew caffeine tablets during competition for a kick.

sorry been busy over the long weekend - banned was a jump depending on some associations
It IS however still being monitored
Mainly due to the mix of stimulants found in powders and drinks, as it is assumed some supplements are trying to hide other banned substances
From a medical point of view caffeine has a law of diminishing returns as continuous over use shows limited "peaks" mostly a troughs