Geary should not be captain in 2020 because he is not in our best 22 (IMHFO).......

[Joffa Burns]

Geary is most definitely the man for the job this year. Based on evidence his football skills have clearly kept him in the best 22 up until this point. And clearly he has entered the twilight of his career at a time when there is much anticipation and expectation about the club entering a period of being a sustained finals contender. I believe these are the contributing factors influencing fans when they conclude he is not best 22 in 2020 and that he should be stripped of his Captaincy. Ridiculous.

Any new manager would be mad to pull too many levers at once and especially when you don't have to, meaning there weren't too many things broke with the way the club was being run before BR took over. BR has inherited a well run club and a team that is finals capable and he will want the support of someone like Geary while he transitions into the head coach role and settle his routine.

Geary will stamp his own papers if his form drops off dramatically in 2020 and that is a separate issue to the captaincy decision for next week which cannot be preempted by the misguided belief Geary has somehow lost all of his playing ability over summer and that all of our recruits and/or developing players have already become best 22 ahead of Gears and all before round 1. Pffft!

Good post winger!

Was Hodge in Brisbanes best 22 player last season?
Probably not, but there was a very good reason for playing him.
A tough wise experienced head playing an on field coaching role.

Now Geary is no Hodge, but he is certainly a leader who can hold a structure together and is the guy who has no regard for his personal safety. I'd rather see Coffield, Clark, Long etc learn alongside Geary for another season before we send him off into the sunset.

Robbo is an unknown at this point which leaves above posters looking for Long, Clark, Howard, Coffield and even Austin who collectively probably don't get to 100 games experience to join (drop my head if its not going my way) Jake in the backline.

For mine Geary & Savage to a lesser degree have earned their spots and players like Long & Coffield need to earn them. This is the backline I'd like to see round 1 assuming all are fit and firing.

Geary Howard Roberton
Long Carslile Clark

with Savage, Wilkie, Coffield & Webster in the mix.

[Sombersainter]

I rate Geary as a lock-down defender but not anything beyond that. His disposal is clearly an absolute liability.
It's been amazing when he has played further up field and the opposition team allow him possession, which leads usually to a turn-over.
I'd be happy if the captaincy was moved on to a brighter up-and-coming player.

[DJ Higgins]

Not consistently in our top 22 so it's a no for me. Bit who takes his place

[Saint 58]

Gears will play as a defensive forward this season.

[St Loxton]

Been on my mind for a while Gears and the captaincy. We are on the cusp of a change, I'm not confident that he will be in the best 22 by seasons end.
If he is set to be fit {therefore in the 22} within the first half of the season, there is no harm in sticking with him.
He deserves that much.
I feel we should have 3 vice captains, Seb, Members, Steele or Robbo
On the games Gears is out, one of the three get to Captain.
Right now to me there is no standout replacement, lets see whom stands tall and demands it this season.

[Secret Kiel]

Been on my mind for a while Gears and the captaincy. We are on the cusp of a change, I'm not confident that he will be in the best 22 by seasons end.
If he is set to be fit {therefore in the 22} within the first half of the season, there is no harm in sticking with him.
He deserves that much.
I feel we should have 3 vice captains, Seb, Members, Steele or Robbo
On the games Gears is out, one of the three get to Captain.
Right now to me there is no standout replacement, lets see whom stands tall and demands it this season.

Similarly when all clubs look to transition the captaincy, first you hear the controlled media statements about the incumbent and how there is ongoing discussion about "what is best for the club", and how how the captain has "earnt the right to go out on his own terms". It makes sense doesn't it. It's called signaling. Ask yourself, has there been any singalling to-date?

Then subsequently, spot testing of the market for the captain-elect is undertaken via covert club sponsored media. To the keen observer, and most elite players are, they pretty much know who to vote for when it comes time to execute thier democratic right as a voter.

If you've been a keen observer you will be putting your money on Sebby. However, the season ahead could introduce the usual diversions due to unnatural and intangible forces to introduce a late runner.

[fugazi]

Mike Brierley

[Nick_BlueNRG]

Just to clarify, I’m not advocating that Geary should not get a game. I am saying that he should not be captain anymore. I believe Seb Ross should be captain. If we have injuries and Geary’s form is good enough, then he plays.

[asiu]

... they pretty much know who to vote for when it comes time to execute thier democratic right as a voter.

hmmmmm

accurate perception well expressed

ta






ps
that ‘thier’ thing has you bluffed ay

[oldie60]

Captaincy is based on overall leadership both on and off the field. Nick Maxwell was not a star neither was our own beloved Danny Frawley but they were probably one of the first picked because their attitude and heart. You don't have to be the franchise, best possession getter, Brownlow medallist or super skilled you just need to be a good leader.

[Sanctorum]

I think Geary's re-appointment as captain for 2020 will very much depend on how well he recovers from his serious leg injuries suffered in 2019. At his age (32 in June) there will be question marks on his ability to again play at the required level for 120 minutes. The fact that the club has delayed an announcement (presumably sometime next week) also leads me to believe that the club has yet to make a decision one way or the other.

I am on record as being in favour of a transition to Seb Ross, the obvious heir apparent, as this will be seen as the final act, after all of the other major changes that have taken place in the past 6 months, to transform the team into a serious finals contender in 2020 and beyond.

This should not in any shape or form be seen as a disrespect of Jarryn Geary, who as others have pointed out has been a solid warrior for the Saints, filling the rather large shoes left by his predecessor as well as his limited skills allowed....

Several other clubs have decided to opt for generational leadership changes for the coming season, so if st Kilda does likewise that is hardly earth-shattering news!

[St Loxton]

Imho Geary, Seb or whomever is captain.
I hope they are just warming the seat for the next long-term Saints skipper Hunter Clark, who is just about to show us all in the next couple of seasons he is the man to lead us to success.
The next blonde Saint Legend.

(apologies i had a dream)

[ausfatcat]

I must admit, I did not see the intraclub game. I am only going by the articles on the game and the posts on here and Bigfooty. There is no way that Geary should be captain because he will not be in the starting 22. From what I can tell there is a plethora of players (small to medium defenders), that have gone past him. And now it seems that Ben Long has made the transition which puts Geary further down the pecking order. I'm not knocking Geary because he has been a warrior for us but Father Time waits for no man (or woman).

What happened to this?

http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php?t=100211

[skeptic]

Why the compromise???

The debate seems to be between picking a guy that plays the way we want to play vs one that exemplifies the correct attitude + leadership values.

How about the best of both worlds...

[Nick_BlueNRG]

I must admit, I did not see the intraclub game. I am only going by the articles on the game and the posts on here and Bigfooty. There is no way that Geary should be captain because he will not be in the starting 22. From what I can tell there is a plethora of players (small to medium defenders), that have gone past him. And now it seems that Ben Long has made the transition which puts Geary further down the pecking order. I'm not knocking Geary because he has been a warrior for us but Father Time waits for no man (or woman).

What happened to this?

http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php?t=100211

I have stuck to that. Are you saying my above post is inappropriate?

[Trev from the Bush]

Just to clarify, I’m not advocating that Geary should not get a game. I am saying that he should not be captain anymore. I believe Seb Ross should be captain. If we have injuries and Geary’s form is good enough, then he plays.

Your thread title state he should not be captain because he is not in our best 22.

You are starting to revert to type, Nick. Start a look at me thread then cover your butt.

[spert]

I reckon Lonie would be worth a look as captain, just for something a bit different- he plays with the intensity and "in your face" that I like to see from captains. I don't think captains should just be serviceable, experienced players- you need to be seen to be taking on a game as a leader.

[Sanctorum]

Just to clarify, I’m not advocating that Geary should not get a game. I am saying that he should not be captain anymore. I believe Seb Ross should be captain. If we have injuries and Geary’s form is good enough, then he plays.

Your thread title state he should not be captain because he is not in our best 22.

You are starting to revert to type, Nick. Start a look at me thread then cover your butt.

That's a bit harsh Trev but maybe you're trying to provoke Nick to revert to his previous colourful demeanour, which is really an unworthy cause as he seems to me to be posting stuff quite genuinely....my point being that this forum has improved vastly in recent months with much less niggling and fewer attacks on people's character, which I really hope is going to be maintained as the season kicks off.

We're all presumably passionate Saints supporters and this forum allows us to express our views on all matters pertaining to the club and all of the individuals that represent the club, without fear of being held up to ridicule, or being abused, by those that have a different opinion or view!

[Nick_BlueNRG]

Just to clarify, I’m not advocating that Geary should not get a game. I am saying that he should not be captain anymore. I believe Seb Ross should be captain. If we have injuries and Geary’s form is good enough, then he plays.

Your thread title state he should not be captain because he is not in our best 22.

You are starting to revert to type, Nick. Start a look at me thread then cover your butt.

That's a bit harsh Trev but maybe you're trying to provoke Nick to revert to his previous colourful demeanour, which is really an unworthy cause as he seems to me to be posting stuff quite genuinely....my point being that this forum has improved vastly in recent months with much less niggling and fewer attacks on people's character, which I really hope is going to be maintained as the season kicks off.

We're all presumably passionate Saints supporters and this forum allows us to express our views on all matters pertaining to the club and all of the individuals that represent the club, without fear of being held up to ridicule, or being abused, by those that have a different opinion or view!

Thanks
Sanctorum

[asiu]

i’ll 2nd that Sanctorum

it’s been a good effort from all contributors
over ‘our’ off season

we do have ‘history’ of gettn a tad feral





and , i still reckon
the New Nick should can that signature !!

[Scollop]

I love Gears and I know he’ll give it his all but my last memory of Jarryn on the footy field was of a bloke who was slightly off the pace and a bloke who was struggling to regain touch. This discussion should be based on what a player brings as far as their football skills and not just about his leadership skills.

I don’t think St Kilda can afford the luxury of playing blokes based on their reputation. By the time Gears tries to return to his old form we might already be transitioning to the new Saints. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was able to play his bash and crash desperate lockdown style for another 2 years but why take the risk of retaining players that could be struggling with their bodies and who might be losing a bit of pace and I’m sure that will impact his decision making and his ability to hit targets

Age will definitely catch up with Gears and we can’t afford to playing the next generation at Sandringham while we fund our older players’ nest eggs

Remember in 2003 when Grant Thomas took the captaincy away from Robert Harvey...A club legend...Two time Brownlow medallist and four time B&F winner. He'd been an All-Australian 7 times at that point.
His idea was that, as a young list, we needed leaders. And that Robert Harvey wouldn't stop being a leader because he was no longer captain.
The result was immediate. Aaron Hammil took over as captain and Harvey won another AA honour.
The next season, Lenny Hayes was made captain. Harvey and Hammil still remained leaders.
The season after, Roo was skipper, and Hayes was added as a leader.
You get the picture.

Geary will still be a leader if he's not skipper. And if he doesn't then he isn't the leader we think he is.

Geary should be giving up the captaincy and developing other leaders while he still has a role to play on the field.
If he's not doing this willingly then he should be made to do it.
Becuase, if our youth comes on as expected, then it's hard to see Jarryn demanding a regular place in the side from 2021.

[Scollop]

I reckon Lonie would be worth a look as captain, just for something a bit different- he plays with the intensity and "in your face" that I like to see from captains. I don't think captains should just be serviceable, experienced players- you need to be seen to be taking on a game as a leader.

Take a bex and go have a lie down mate

[BackFromUSA]

I am warming to Jack Billings as captain

[saynta]

I am warming to Jack Billings as captain

Yeah, why not.

[terry smith rules]

Good grief there are some ridiculous comments on this thread.

Yes time might catch up with him and yes he may not have recovered from the injuries

But let’s be clear on his value to the team based on 2019 form

He played rounds 1 2 3 and 5 and then an underprepared half game in 11

He received coaches votes in rounds 2 and 5!!! For those saying he was already looking passed it in 2019... really?

He deserves credit for that, but suddenly according to some Ben Long after a good intra game has gone passed him. Now Ben might become a jet but let’s not let hype get in the way of reality

Right now it should be his position in defence to lose based on 2020 form and injury

And yes he should retain the captaincy

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