Jack Bytel

[Nick_BlueNRG]

I don’t think forumites are being particularly over the top in their expectations of Bytel.

He was a highly touted junior, he appears to be over his injury concerns, the club’s talking him up and people want to see him play and do well.

The mentality of the internet in general seems to be that every action requires an opposite reaction of equal force. A bit of excitement is therefore met with a ‘lower those expectations’

Bytel has never played AFL so to say he is a gun is folly in the extreme.

[skeptic]

I don’t think forumites are being particularly over the top in their expectations of Bytel.

He was a highly touted junior, he appears to be over his injury concerns, the club’s talking him up and people want to see him play and do well.

The mentality of the internet in general seems to be that every action requires an opposite reaction of equal force. A bit of excitement is therefore met with a ‘lower those expectations’

Bytel has never played AFL so to say he is a gun is folly in the extreme.

This is such an unwarranted slur on a young player... given ur recent posts, I trust you agree a 24hr ban is deserved

[Nick_BlueNRG]

I don’t think forumites are being particularly over the top in their expectations of Bytel.

He was a highly touted junior, he appears to be over his injury concerns, the club’s talking him up and people want to see him play and do well.

The mentality of the internet in general seems to be that every action requires an opposite reaction of equal force. A bit of excitement is therefore met with a ‘lower those expectations’

Bytel has never played AFL so to say he is a gun is folly in the extreme.

This is such an unwarranted slur on a young player... given ur recent posts, I trust you agree a 24hr ban is deserved

Nice try skeptic.

[Hunter2King]

Has he played VFL yet?

[B.M]

No, but Acres was the GOAT and he pretty much underachieved in most games.

Play him in the gut and he’ll dominate was the call.

Here’s the thing

You need to earn midfield minutes (and actually defend) and Acres did not.

Supporters get a set on a player and that’s it
Either underrated (Ross, Geary or Brown) of Overrated (Acres, Gresham or Carlisle)

[Hunter2King]

Oh well.
Sam Walsh never played any VFL either...
Kid might just come out and smash it straght away.
We will find out soon enough.

[Secret Kiel]

Mindsets to the point of obsessiveness, usually not based in reality and often based on prejudice learnt within the echo chamber.

If Bytel get's selected for round 1 then I will be extremely excited and supportive of the kid and his prospects as I am of every player to debut for our club, in fact it is one of the most single greatest pleasures I derive from our sport and club is watching a young player debut for his first AFL match and for our club, and then, also watching him develop and his journey. Almost no greater pleasure do I take. HOWEVER, I will be extremely surprised if Bytel is selected for round 1, it would be shear madness considering the proven talent that is way ahead of him.

This is not 2014, we are not at the lowest of lowest, rock bottom positions in our rebuild, our goal in 2020 is to reach finals and we have finals capable team so in what universe would you pick Bytel ahead of the other ready made, AFL capable and proven midfielders based on what we are capable of, and what our goal should be in 2020.

[B.M]

Current Mids

Seb Ross - Dual b&f
Steele - one of AFL best taggers and twice r/u b&f
Hannebury - 3 x AA
Hill - triple premiership player and b&f
Billings - top 3 draft pick average over 20 a game 2018/19
Gresham - Young Gun
Zac Jones - Played in GF and 100 game player
Clark - Young Gun
Dunstan - GOP

Bytel has a few to go past.

[Secret Kiel]

Current Mids

Seb Ross - Dual b&f
Steele - one of AFL best taggers and twice r/u b&f
Hannebury - 3 x AA
Hill - triple premiership player and b&f
Billings - top 3 draft pick average over 20 a game 2018/19
Gresham - Young Gun
Zac Jones - Played in GF and 100 game player
Clark - Young Gun
Dunstan - GOP

Bytel has a few to go past.

And the forgotten mid, one Jack Sinclair, could play a half forward role more this year and rotating through the midfiel. He has a golden opportunity to get off the chain with more support around him. I'll personally have the tracker on him this year as I think he is an intriguing player in the context of the sudden influx of A grade talent into the midfield. He certainly can't afford for Bytel to go past him in 2020.

[B.M]

Sinclair is a neat player

Does not win enough footy though

[Hunter2King]

Sinclair is a neat player

Does not win enough footy though

Strange career trajectory for Jack SInclair.
He kicked
18.7 in 2015
4.4 (from 9 games) in 2016
8.8 in 2017
6.9 in 2018
4.11 in 2019

Going backwards in both output and accuracy.

[magnifisaint]

Jack Sinclair needs to lift his workrate. Looks very timid but has great skills. Maybe under a good coach he will blossom.

[Nick_BlueNRG]

Current Mids

Seb Ross - Dual b&f
Steele - one of AFL best taggers and twice r/u b&f
Hannebury - 3 x AA
Hill - triple premiership player and b&f
Billings - top 3 draft pick average over 20 a game 2018/19
Gresham - Young Gun
Zac Jones - Played in GF and 100 game player
Clark - Young Gun
Dunstan - GOP

Bytel has a few to go past.

Dunstan is not a GOP. He is our best inside midfielder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[B.M]

If he’s our best inside mid

Geez

We are in trouble

Hannebury has elite touch and hands inside, Steele is a good inside mid who also stops, as an inside, Ross wins the most footy. Gresham can power out of a stoppage.

Dunstan just does not win enough footy and isn’t damaging with it.

He’s an ok back up inside mid, not front line, his tank is woeful

[Secret Kiel]

The thing about Dunstan is he'll jump on a hand grenade for the team and to win a contest.

[Hunter2King]

The thing about Dunstan is he'll jump on a hand grenade for the team and to win a contest.

Secret kiel is one of the cleverest names in footy forum history.


Not sure you can justfiy that comment.

If we look at '1%ers' as the closest stat to 'jumping on a hand granade' then the AFL leaders are averaging 5-10 per game.

Nathan Brown averages 10 per game. Dunstan averages 1.

All defenders over 3 admittedly.

But for midfielders:

Selwood, Yeo, Sloane average 3. All hardnuts.

Pendlebury, Hunter, Merrett, Sidebottom, Fyfe, Taranto, Dangerfield, Zorko, Steele, Billings, Ross, Macrae, Oliver, Hopper all average 1.5-2.

https://afltables.com/afl/stats/2019s.html

So we can officially say Billings is now a 'hardnut'.

[Secret Kiel]

are you arguing Dunstan won't put his body on the line to win a contest or help the team win, there was a game late in the season we won and had it not been for Dunstan's act of courage and his clear disregard for his personal safety we might have lost, can you remember the act?

As a side question, what is the official definition of a 1%er.

[B.M]

No

We can’t use evidence to evaluate a player, we use perception!

[Hunter2King]

are you arguing Dunstan won't put his body on the line to win a contest or help the team win, there was a game late in the season we won and had it not been for Dunstan's act of courage and his clear disregard for his personal safety we might have lost, can you remember the act?

As a side question, what is the official definition of a 1%er.

He is tough. I dont deny it.

I am just not sure his acts of toughness outweigh other areas.

And im not going to be dragged in to the 'definition' argument for a stat because it never ends. But i do think Selwood is tough and puts his body on the line so 1%ers seems like a fair enough proxy in this context.

[Secret Kiel]

Thanks for the compliment on the nic btw.

Ok so humour me, do you remember the act?

I'm not trying to be funny, but it goes to a point I'd make about us all wanting players in our side that can "win the game off their own boot".

Reallly isn't what we want; is a player who can "win a game from their own actions", and so if you remember that act you might agree that without Luke in the team that game, we probably wouldn't have won that game.

So to use BM's comment about using perception with regards to a players value to a team, we must look at the acts within the stats, it's what coaches love, and for the obvious winning reasons.

[B.M]

Toughness is also the ability to outwork your opponent.

The knock on Dunstan is that he cannot defend, just cannot run with elite mids.

[The Barometer]

Jack Sinclair needs to lift his workrate. Looks very timid but has great skills. Maybe under a good coach he will blossom.

Sinclair covers a lot of ground, timid might be right. Both in the contest and demanding the ball. Would think it’s a make or break year for him.

[B.M]

I think he was in the top 3 for distance covered per game (Sinclair)

Work rate not his problem

The swap of him and Billings Wing/HHF obviously saw Billings stats go up and Sinclair’s go down.

Having said that, he did not do enough and needs to impact more

[Hunter2King]

'lll put it another way. No way does LD get a game at the Tigers or Eagles.

Doesnt have the polish of a Prestia or Dom Sheed who are similar types.

[Secret Kiel]

'lll put it another way. No way does LD get a game at the Tigers or Eagles.

Doesnt have the polish of a Prestia or Dom Sheed who are similar types.

So many ways of looking at a subjective topic, how would Dom or Prestia go in a bottom 4 side where they are the main focus of an opposition coach week in and week out, especially as players who are physically under developed and have less than 50-100 games of experience.

Luke Dunstan has no excuses though in 2020 so lets have this discussion in one to two years so we are comparing apples with apples.