Do you honestly think bringing in 5 traded players was the right move?

[skeptic]

So let me ask again...

What is it exactly that we’ve lost out on in regards to long term prospects?

[Ghost Like]

Really evortonfc? I'm not sure what we paid overs for in terms of what we missed out on???

Geez, look at the Hill trade. We paid market overs, both in contract and trade value.

Again Everton, what did we miss out on? Who would you have chosen with our #6 draft pick? Remembering we had no round 2 or 3 picks - meaning we keep a midfielder who doesn't want to play for us anymore & a forward who wanted to secure more than 2020.

& now two examples of how paying for what you want & need actually works out...

But Geelong paid market overs for an inconsistent Brad Ottens, and eventually he played a role in three flags.

Sometimes, the price is worth it, and can become justified in hindsight. That's what I hope happens with Hill. We've braced ourselves for that reality.

You could say the Dogs got value out of the Tom Boyd deal because of what he delivered on the only day that matters, even if the fee was out of this world. They got a flag and you might say that's all that matters. Fair enough.

I'm not sure people understand this nuance but I can't be bothered explaining it further.

I'm also not sure what we gave up that hurts our 2019 position in comparison to where we start and finish in 2020???

Incoherent sentence - apologies, think round 23, 2019, what have we done that puts us in a worse position through 2020?

"With that said, our list looks better now, and there's no question we'd become stale"
is confusing. Surely you'd rather have a better looking list?

A top-up merchant! Can't have enough of that late 1980s-thinking.

This is my favourite, you do realise I was quoting you? You said "our list looks better now" & "we'd become stale", so dust off your Brisbane scarf & come down to Moorabbin. I'm excited, sounds like you are too (maybe, I'm not sure).

You must have loved it when Brisbane went after Fev, Staker, Raines and Buchanon for their tilt at the top.

Whether it is or isn't is a moot point, it's what we have. My gauge says I'm looking forward more towards 2020 and beyond than I was towards 2019.

Yeah, right - that's great and all, but I'm probably looking at 2022 and 2023 to scoot up the ladder and build a decade of prolonged success through strategic planning, intelligent drafting, value trading and coherent list management - now that's "great and all", I hope we learnt from stuffing up that opportunity from the early 2000's. Geelong didn't.

But I also hope we make the eight in 2020. Just think there's more to a sustainable, successful footy club than going for broke in a 12-month period.

I hope that too Everton. I do think we needed this trade period and I think the timing to trade, rather than draft, was spot on...this lends us to being more sustainable in my opinion.

[asiu]

I do think we needed this trade period and I think the timing to trade, rather than draft, was spot on...this lends us to being more sustainable in my opinion.

i can rock ‘n roll with that
and shall


plus the ... it is what it already is , angle
which logically , defines it as the ‘right move’,
if its actually a *right/wrong game

(*to which i give no credence)


time to get on with it

[Nick_BlueNRG]

Do the math

Hill in for Steven... we’ll get more years
Howard in for Bruce... other end of the grand but no major change to the profile
Jones in for Acres... same as the above

The only quick fix is Ryder.

So let me ask this...
are the players traded in representing more value than failed draft picks?

It's do the Maths. This is Australia not America FFS.

[Nick_BlueNRG]

Yes, it was needed.

If ever our list needed an overhaul it was this year.

As long as we don't do this too often I'm on with it. next year we should focus on kids

You have obviously missed the point entirely Viscount Jeremiah. Next year we only have our First round pick and a few Forth round picks. Sure, we can focus on youth but they will be s***.

[Nick_BlueNRG]

Yes. No debate required.

When the debate is over, its instigator wants to argue.

[Trev from the Bush]

You are an extremely precious little troll who seems to enjoy putting your name up in lights. Topic has been done to death, now you just want to stick it up anybody with an opinion other than yours. Go away before you drive everybody away from this forum.

[saynta]

Plus one

[freely]

Yes, it was needed.

If ever our list needed an overhaul it was this year.

As long as we don't do this too often I'm on with it. next year we should focus on kids

You have obviously missed the point entirely Viscount Jeremiah. Next year we only have our First round pick and a few Forth round picks. Sure, we can focus on youth but they will be s***.

Forth? LOL - and you're complaining about "math"?

[magnifisaint]

Yes. No debate required.

When the debate is over, its instigator wants to argue.

You are an idiot, now get lost

[skeptic]

Do the math

Hill in for Steven... we’ll get more years
Howard in for Bruce... other end of the grand but no major change to the profile
Jones in for Acres... same as the above

The only quick fix is Ryder.

So let me ask this...
are the players traded in representing more value than failed draft picks?

It's do the Maths. This is Australia not America FFS.

Maths shouldn’t have a capital.

Is attacking grammar the only thing left for you to contribute?
I’ve given you the respect of an actual football based response, a courtesy that you have not reciprocated

[asiu]

how much real estate
does Joffaboy
have in your head ?

i thought he was over on Big Footballer
... has been for years

whadda ya doin here
if your Arch Enemy is over there ?

chicken ?

[Dis Believer]

I can't tell you what I honestly think, I'd get banned !!

Yes, we should have traded. We've been drafting for nearly a decade and spent that time as cellar dwellers !! Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome is the definition of insanity...…….

[Nick_BlueNRG]

I can't tell you what I honestly think, I'd get banned !!

Yes, we should have traded. We've been drafting for nearly a decade and spent that time as cellar dwellers !! Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome is the definition of insanity...…….

We should have improved our drafting if that is the case. Not abandon it.

[skeptic]

I can't tell you what I honestly think, I'd get banned !!

Yes, we should have traded. We've been drafting for nearly a decade and spent that time as cellar dwellers !! Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome is the definition of insanity...…….

We should have improved our drafting if that is the case. Not abandon it.

And they can just do that?

Geeez we should have considered this years ago.

[IluvHarvey]

I want honest debate!!!!!

Yep......... next question?

[Life Long Saint]

I can't tell you what I honestly think, I'd get banned !!

Yes, we should have traded. We've been drafting for nearly a decade and spent that time as cellar dwellers !! Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome is the definition of insanity...…….

We should have improved our drafting if that is the case. Not abandon it.

And they can just do that?

Geeez we should have considered this years ago.

I wonder if we can re-draft some of our picks for better players. Clearly, we should have done better with Acres. Probably should have gone the Bont over Billings, too.
McCartin was not the best either. We should go back in time and get De Goey instead.

For where we are in list development, we needed ready made senior players.
We drafted two kids last season and three this season. I think we're getting the mix right.

[Nick_BlueNRG]

I can't tell you what I honestly think, I'd get banned !!

Yes, we should have traded. We've been drafting for nearly a decade and spent that time as cellar dwellers !! Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome is the definition of insanity...…….

We should have improved our drafting if that is the case. Not abandon it.

And they can just do that?

Geeez we should have considered this years ago.

I wonder if we can re-draft some of our picks for better players. Clearly, we should have done better with Acres. Probably should have gone the Bont over Billings, too.
McCartin was not the best either. We should go back in time and get De Goey instead.

For where we are in list development, we needed ready made senior players.
We drafted two kids last season and three this season. I think we're getting the mix right.

We can argue this until the cows come home. The fact is, "The proof will be in the pudding".

[Life Long Saint]

We can argue this until the cows come home. The fact is, "The proof will be in the pudding".

Nope. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating.
I'm not sure what a pudding on its own proves!

[Vazelos]

If anyone doesn’t think this was a successful trade period they are extremely difficult to please.
We brought in experiences quality players with plenty of football in them addressing deficiencies.
Pace, ball carrying and line breaking ability, premiership experience, a back up Ruckman and tall forward, a small pressure forward and a key back man .
We have Max King and Jack Bytel along with others like Clark and Coffield coming through there is plenty of young talent.
After 8 years of non finals our club and our business need a strong finals team.

[sunsaint]

We can argue this until the cows come home. The fact is, "The proof will be in the pudding".

Nope. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating.
I'm not sure what a pudding on its own proves!

that you can have cake
and maybe eat it in a year or two ?

[Nick_BlueNRG]

We can argue this until the cows come home. The fact is, "The proof will be in the pudding".

Nope. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating.
I'm not sure what a pudding on its own proves!

The idiom is usually stated the proof is in the pudding and means that the end result is the mark of the success or failure of one's efforts or planning. The phrase may also be used in the past and future tenses: the proof will be/was in the pudding.

Click on below link.......

https://www.google.com.au/search?source ... P8qoYsJID0

[skeptic]

We can argue this until the cows come home. The fact is, "The proof will be in the pudding".

Nope. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating.
I'm not sure what a pudding on its own proves!

that you can have cake
and maybe eat it in a year or two ?

Well it is easier in hindsight especially when one won’t put up the alternative

[Ghost Like]

I can't tell you what I honestly think, I'd get banned !!

Yes, we should have traded. We've been drafting for nearly a decade and spent that time as cellar dwellers !! Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome is the definition of insanity...…….

We should have improved our drafting if that is the case. Not abandon it.

And they can just do that?

Geeez we should have considered this years ago.

I wonder if we can re-draft some of our picks for better players. Clearly, we should have done better with Acres. Probably should have gone the Bont over Billings, too.
McCartin was not the best either. We should go back in time and get De Goey instead.

For where we are in list development, we needed ready made senior players.
We drafted two kids last season and three this season. I think we're getting the mix right.

We can argue this until the cows come home. The fact is, "The proof will be in the pudding".

Then why ask for honest debate, i.e. arguing until cows come back to roost on a pudding type cake you can either keep or eat? Unless you really didn't want honest debate because that question cannot be answered today.

[skeptic]

What needles me is there is no alternative suggestion being made so we all have to sit through... well we didn’t win a flag by 2022 so we should have used our first round pick on the guy that went in the mid 30s