Bailey Rice - At the crossroads?

[Special]

Bubbles showed a lot of passion at the Sandy game vs Franganastan at ARSE Park the other week. Not sure if he can turn that into being a player up forward for us though.

Anyway, if in doubt, re sign him for another 3 years so we can permanently stay in the mire.

I’m hoping with Lethers and Gubby swinging the shots our drafting strategy will permanently stay different (as we saw last year picking up a heap of mature aged players).

We just need to god damn be in the hunt for trades and FA if anyone wants us!

[The Fireman]

is he selling his soul to the Devil ????

[Scollop]

Dinny said a few interested things on twitter.

When asked about Rice he said he "wasn't fit enough"

When asked about White not getting a game, he sort of danced around it and said "Have heard people argue that he should take McKenzie's spot but Saints say McKenzie is really good at knowing where to stand and how to play team defence"

Not sure if that is a slight clip at White for perhaps playing selfishly?

If Brandon White is playing selfishly, wtf do you call the way Seb Ross is playing?

This is what we mean by integrity of team selection. Jimmy Webster is out of the team and he needs to replaced by a backman...that's the only position that needs to be filled because Jimmy does not play as a mid or a forward.

It's the perfect opportunity for White to fill a void and play his role. Brandon White has been playing consistently well at VFL level and has been discriminated against by his coach. Bloody play the kid Cho!!

[Saintmatt]

Dinny said a few interested things on twitter.

When asked about Rice he said he "wasn't fit enough"

When asked about White not getting a game, he sort of danced around it and said "Have heard people argue that he should take McKenzie's spot but Saints say McKenzie is really good at knowing where to stand and how to play team defence"

Not sure if that is a slight clip at White for perhaps playing selfishly?

If Brandon White is playing selfishly, wtf do you call the way Seb Ross is playing?

This is what we mean by integrity of team selection. Jimmy Webster is out of the team and he needs to replaced by a backman...that's the only position that needs to be filled because Jimmy does not play as a mid or a forward.

It's the perfect opportunity for White to fill a void and play his role. Brandon White has been playing consistently well at VFL level and has been discriminated against by his coach. Bloody play the kid Cho!!

Couldn’t have said it better myself. Seb is a waddling plonker. Who then butchers it.

Play White FFS .... at least he’s an elite kick who rarely turns it over

[evertonfc]

Three months on from when this thread started, how are we viewing Rice now?

He'll be 23 in February.

[Bernard Shakey]

Bubbles will be delisted!

[Saintly66]

Lol be nice if he actually got a game when he was supposed to throughout the year. But hey what do you expect when we had the coach we did.

[B.M]

Very good VFL player

[Special]

Very good VFL player

I hope Sandy sign him up after we delist him at the end of the season - unless Gold Coast want him as a delisted FA

[saynta]

Would probably have played 50 odd AFL games by now if he had chosen the blues over the saints.

[oldie60]

I think we fell for the romance of getting a father / son. I think he will only ever be a good vfl/local footballer. I don't think he ever looks like he's totally invested in a career at the highest level.

[B.M]

Gold Coast aren’t going to get any better by picking up guys who couldn’t get a game at other bottom clubs.

They need AFL experienced players

And talent.

[Saintly66]

I think we fell for the romance of getting a father / son. I think he will only ever be a good vfl/local footballer. I don't think he ever looks like he's totally invested in a career at the highest level.

Looks are obviously deceiving.

[evertonfc]

Can play, but isn't fit enough by a long shot.

He's 6-7kgs over what he should be. Doesn't have speed, doesn't have endurance. Exclusively relies on footy instinct. Which means he'll be a fantastic VFL and local player.

He'll hate hearing that, but what can I say...you need to be super lean to play AFL and he's not.

Look at the professionalism of Callum Wilkie - who wasn't even on a list seven months ago - and it's another planet.

Reading a book about Geelongs rebuild under bomber and recruiter Wells and they are adamant that pure footballers will always do better than athletes without footy smarts...in particular when they are recruiting guys like Ling, Bartel, Chapman...it’s just food for thought weather or not athleticism is still over rated...either way, Rice has had a few chances and hasn’t really snaffled them...he may get 1 more crack this year depending on injuries form etc...

I've always agreed with the theory you're pushing above. However, that theory is now about 5 years behind the pace (case in point - Geelong recruiting Mark Blicavs from athletics).

In 2019, it's not a question of "footy smarts" or "an athlete". Legitimately, unless you're Steve Johnson in the football IQ, you need to have both.

Rice is pretty good at one and pretty ordinary at the other. He seems like a good bloke, etc, but if he wants to make it, he'll only make it by becoming the hardest working footballer on our list.

My observations are that he enjoys the lifestyle of being a footballer, especially in the off-season, rather than pushing himself to the limits of performance.

Nobody is holding a gun to his head to do the extra work, he has to do that himself. And he's not "overweight" - but he's a long way from premium fitness.

You can't be idling, ticking over, etc these days unless you have the runs on the board. He hasn't. He'd better get moving, in more ways than one.

Unfortunately, he just couldn't get himself up to the standard required. Feel for the young man, as he'd be feeling shattered right now.

I reckon he might regret not giving it a better go. But that's footy, and that's life.

[Joffa Burns]

Can play, but isn't fit enough by a long shot.

He's 6-7kgs over what he should be. Doesn't have speed, doesn't have endurance. Exclusively relies on footy instinct. Which means he'll be a fantastic VFL and local player.

He'll hate hearing that, but what can I say...you need to be super lean to play AFL and he's not.

Look at the professionalism of Callum Wilkie - who wasn't even on a list seven months ago - and it's another planet.

Reading a book about Geelongs rebuild under bomber and recruiter Wells and they are adamant that pure footballers will always do better than athletes without footy smarts...in particular when they are recruiting guys like Ling, Bartel, Chapman...it’s just food for thought weather or not athleticism is still over rated...either way, Rice has had a few chances and hasn’t really snaffled them...he may get 1 more crack this year depending on injuries form etc...

I've always agreed with the theory you're pushing above. However, that theory is now about 5 years behind the pace (case in point - Geelong recruiting Mark Blicavs from athletics).

In 2019, it's not a question of "footy smarts" or "an athlete". Legitimately, unless you're Steve Johnson in the football IQ, you need to have both.

Rice is pretty good at one and pretty ordinary at the other. He seems like a good bloke, etc, but if he wants to make it, he'll only make it by becoming the hardest working footballer on our list.

My observations are that he enjoys the lifestyle of being a footballer, especially in the off-season, rather than pushing himself to the limits of performance.

Nobody is holding a gun to his head to do the extra work, he has to do that himself. And he's not "overweight" - but he's a long way from premium fitness.

You can't be idling, ticking over, etc these days unless you have the runs on the board. He hasn't. He'd better get moving, in more ways than one.

Unfortunately, he just couldn't get himself up to the standard required. Feel for the young man, as he'd be feeling shattered right now.

I reckon he might regret not giving it a better go. But that's footy, and that's life.

How do we know he didn’t give it everything he has?

I don’t know the answer.

You can’t turn a draught horse into a Thoroughbred no matter how hard you train it, maybe it is genetic not effort?

[freely]

Hm. And maybe not giving enough effort is also genetic.

[skeptic]

The thing is... a guy like White stood out at that level and got the BF hence the questioning RE why he didn’t play appropriate

Rice on the other hand whilst having reasonable-good games from time to time... never really looked capable of stepping it up to the seniors and being a top22 guy.

[ace]

Rice not at the crossroads.
Rice got hit by a bus crossing the road, too slow.

[saynta]

Rice and White were both delisted simply because they were not good enough.

End of story afaic.

[Harves Man]

is he selling his soul to the Devil ????

...But you should hear him play accoustic.

[mad saint guy]

Rice needed to either be taller or faster. Either attribute would have seen him forge out a solid career. If he had both he would be a star.

[cwrcyn]

Ironically, in a team lacking great foot skills, Rice and White were in the top 5 in that area

[B.M]

But Rice and White lacked the endurance to compete at afl level

[oldie60]

Got stuck at the Montague st Bridge

[Secret Kiel]

Ironically, in a team lacking great foot skills, Rice and White were in the top 5 in that area

At VFL level for sure, watch the game against the Crows at docklands early in the 2018 season when white played, he tried to go inboard by foot and turned it over more than once, so he had trouble with following team rules/game plans also and his kicking at the elite level let him down early.