Paddy to be delisted

[saynta]

https://www.saints.com.au/news/2019-10- ... t-out-2020

Paddy will stay with the saints medicos in 2020.

[sunsaint]

f*** me.

Sorry - I must politely decline

[sunsaint]

Sorry but there would be an absolute small % of 1st to 3rd year players that ever looks AFL fit and ready to run a whole game out.

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hmmm - pretty certain you have Ben King already in that category
SO in 2021 we will have at least two 1-3yr players in that category. Yes???

[B.M]

Devilhead

It’s my opinion, and if it sounds insulting, too bad. Tom Lynch was a 199cm aerobic beast and looked a prospect very early. Remember how the suns were going in his first few years before you compare how the forwards performed.
Concussions aside, which were purely bad luck. Paddy lacked athleticism, he was slow and had the worst tank (beside Longer) at the club.

[desertsaint]

it does, but i also thought after his first number of games that we'd drafted a dud. but he did show a little promise over the 2016 season. just needed to get fit and hold marks. then the concussions issues really set in. still think, even without them, all we'd drafted was a serviceable full forward. dominated at junior because of his size, lost that advantage in afl.

[Devilhead]

Devilhead

It’s my opinion, and if it sounds insulting, too bad. Tom Lynch was a 199cm aerobic beast and looked a prospect very early. Remember how the suns were going in his first few years before you compare how the forwards performed.
Concussions aside, which were purely bad luck. Paddy lacked athleticism, he was slow and had the worst tank (beside Longer) at the club.

Yet despite his apparent shite tank he was able to move around the ground and take 6 or marks in a 1/3 of the games he played?

Pretty certain I saw climb him over the top of packs and take some fantastic contested marks as well - you don't think that takes athleticism??

As for Lynch you just confirmed that Lynch was a bigger sized aerobic beast yet it seems ....... Paddy outperformed him as forward over those first 35 games

As for the Suns being an ordinary side I think you will find we have been a pretty ordinary side as well over the last few years

So yeah your opinion I think is very much narrow in its view given Paddy's concussions issues throughout his career which has obviously has had a huge effect with regard to his inability to condition himself to your lofty standards of a 1st to 3rd year player.

Let's face it though the 2014 Draft class will not be seen as a draft for the ages ..... unless of course Dougal Howard can step up

[Devilhead]

Sorry but there would be an absolute small % of 1st to 3rd year players that ever looks AFL fit and ready to run a whole game out.

hmmm - pretty certain you have Ben King already in that category
SO in 2021 we will have at least two 1-3yr players in that category. Yes???

Sorry ..... Ben King in what category?

Ben King like the majority of 1st to 3rd players is still finding his feet and building fitness and currently struggles to run games out

In time ........ hopefully by the time he pulls on the RWB ........ he will be conditioned to a sufficient standard to be able to dominate in the position we play him whether that be forward or back.

For many players it takes years for them to condition themselves to play senior AFL footy at a high standard - so in the meantime what we have is potential and hopefully with the right development processes in place we can help our young developing players realise their potential.

There were games that Paddy absolutely showed that could make it as as serious AFL player and of course there were other games in which he struggled - that pretty standard for young highly rated draftees

[ace]

Footy is a brutal game both physically and employment wise.
Paddy still dreams of himself as a football player.
He does not want to give up that dream.
The club has effectively told him.

You will get paid like a footballer for 2020, but the payment will be up front.

You can use club facilities and support like a player.

You can train like a player.

But we will not play you in 2020 and will never do so again.

We will not let you clog the list when the club and someone else can use that list space.

If by some miracle you are able to play again we will look at drafting you at that time as will other clubs, that is your dream but we deal in realities.

You are delisted, understood.

[Zed]

I don’t like to bag the club generally , but it was a poor selection.
He just never looked like a #1 pick.
Admittedly that was a crappy draft talent wise, but the recruiting team of the time just didn’t do enough homework.

[avid]

I am so sorry for him, and for everyone who set up and shared what was a very reasonable dream to have.

Wasn't there talk of keeping Paddy on a long term injured list, and getting another pick?
That's a straw I've been keen to clutch in recent days. Where did that go?

[avid]

Why is my avatar all blurry? Does anyone know?

[B.M]

Or didn’t just select the obvious?!

When at the pointy end of the draft, there is 1 rule

Take the best available... regardless of position... when rebuilding you just keep stockpiling talent.

We outsmarted ourselves by taking a KPP that we thought represented value, rather than the best player

[Devilhead]

Or didn’t just select the obvious?!

When at the pointy end of the draft, there is 1 rule

Take the best available... regardless of position... when rebuilding you just keep stockpiling talent.

We outsmarted ourselves by taking a KPP that we thought represented value, rather than the best player

Paddy was rated in the top 2 by nearly all clubs and most expert draft commentators at the time- he was considered the best pure forward in the draft ..... how is that outsmarting oneself?

Ok so we take Petracca and ........ it would still be rated a fail

There are absolutely no guarantees that a No 1 draft pick let alone any draft pick is going to make it - it is not an exact science

I believe the correct choice was made at the time unfortunately due to circumstances beyond anyone's control ...... it currently hasn't worked out .... though it may have done without the concussion issues and some impatient supporters gave him space to develop given that he is a key position player playing the most difficult role in the game

[Toy Saint]

I remember all of the calls on here for us to draft Petracca at that time but I agree that both Petracca and Brayshaw have been disappointing.

Has anybody looked at the AFL playing records of the others in that draft to see who actually turned out to be the best of that year?

Word is that Patracca is a major league tosser and has been all through junior football. I support the club for bypassing him on cultural grounds.

[Toy Saint]

I remember all of the calls on here for us to draft Petracca at that time but I agree that both Petracca and Brayshaw have been disappointing.

Has anybody looked at the AFL playing records of the others in that draft to see who actually turned out to be the best of that year?

Word is that Patracca is a major league tosser and has been all through junior football. I support the club for bypassing him on cultural grounds.

[Devilhead]

I remember all of the calls on here for us to draft Petracca at that time but I agree that both Petracca and Brayshaw have been disappointing.

Has anybody looked at the AFL playing records of the others in that draft to see who actually turned out to be the best of that year?

Word is that Patracca is a major league tosser and has been all through junior football. I support the club for bypassing him on cultural grounds.

Yes but apparently that is not important as you should draft the supposed best talent

[Jacks Back]

There's the extra list spot plus he can try ASADA unapproved treatments.

The club has effectively told him.

You will get paid like a footballer for 2020, but the payment will be up front.

You can use club facilities and support like a player.

You can train like a player.

But we will not play you in 2020 and will never do so again.

So if Paddy can now try ASADA unapproved treatments then surely he would not be allowed around the club.

[ace]

f*** me.

Sorry - I must politely decline

Aren't you into the AFL pride.

[ace]

Why is my avatar all blurry? Does anyone know?

Photo bucket no longer hosting free.

[ace]

Or didn’t just select the obvious?!

When at the pointy end of the draft, there is 1 rule

Take the best available... regardless of position... when rebuilding you just keep stockpiling talent.

We outsmarted ourselves by taking a KPP that we thought represented value, rather than the best player

No there is also rule 2.
Rule 2. when the draft pick will only produce a mediocre player convert the pick - merge or split.
This means that when you can't get full value from a No1 pick then split that pick into pick 8 and pick 10 OR picks 16, 18 & 19.

[ace]

I remember all of the calls on here for us to draft Petracca at that time but I agree that both Petracca and Brayshaw have been disappointing.

Has anybody looked at the AFL playing records of the others in that draft to see who actually turned out to be the best of that year?

Word is that Patracca is a major league tosser and has been all through junior football. I support the club for bypassing him on cultural grounds.

Yes but apparently that is not important as you should draft the supposed best talent

Doesn't matter how obnoxious his behaviour so long as he doesn't toss on the field.
I absolutely deplore everything about Dusty Martin but would love for him to play for St Kilda.

[Harves Man]

No more list clogging.

We seem to be paying a fortune to say goodbye to contracted players - Steven, McCartin, Young but they won't be clogging our list.

when add names like Hannerbery Longer Roberton & King payments to players that were not available to play was huge

Armo is gone and his wage was huge, back ended contract had him on $900000 last year.

I couldn’t believe it.

I can't believe it, either!!!

A player earning the average wage on a contract could have the whole timing backended and be a million dollar player in final year...

Is it really that unbelievable?

Yes thanks Spinner - it all makes sense when you put it like that.

[Harves Man]

Why is my avatar all blurry? Does anyone know?

Your avatar is crystal clear. Time to face facts - you're completely losing the plot.

[avid]

Why is my avatar all blurry? Does anyone know?

Your avatar is crystal clear. Time to face facts - you're completely losing the plot.

OK I declare myself now officially lost.

[SemperFidelis]

He’s on SEN now. Fantastic interview - if you miss it listen back later. Unbelievably courageous. ️️