Jack Newnes

[saynta]

Guess Saintsational will have to select a new whipping boy. Post your selection hereunder.

[Enrico_Misso]

Newnes could go on to be the next Sam Cranage?

[axcellence]

Just wait for Rice to be rookied over there just to complete the joke

[takeaway]

Newnes could go on to be the next Sam Cranage?

Matty Lappin?

[saint6709]

If he gets a decent contract do we get a draft pick - or does he just go now ?

[outside66]

If he gets a decent contract do we get a draft pick - or does he just go now ?

No compensation because we delisted him

[saintadamski]

If he gets a decent contract do we get a draft pick - or does he just go now ?

No compensation because we delisted him

What do you mean? Delisting him IS the compensation

[Stian]

Does this mean that the club now has finished all of the delistings that they need before the draft? Does anybody know that final list lodgement date? Cheers

[Stian]

If he gets a decent contract do we get a draft pick - or does he just go now ?

No compensation because we delisted him

What do you mean? Delisting him IS the compensation

Now that is harsh. Funny, but harsh.

[asiu]

nathan brown can be the new whipping boy

but only for a year

[saintadamski]

If he gets a decent contract do we get a draft pick - or does he just go now ?

No compensation because we delisted him

What do you mean? Delisting him IS the compensation

Now that is harsh. Funny, but harsh.

Harsh, but true.
The humour element went out the window for me a few years ago now

[ss1986]

On the positive side for him, he'll be able to watch himself on the big screen at the G a bit more.

[SAINT-LEE]

It’s an odd question..,

Your asking what changed to lead to a scenario that hasn’t happened

Could be the new recruits
The game plan
Natural improvement
Maybe we were better in 2019 but it was lost amongst the injuries
Maybe the coaching and leadership make a difference

Varying degrees of all of the above

Maybe none of it

One has to see it

it's a question in relation to the hypothesis that started with "if" so it's well understood I'm sure that there is a lot that can happen between now and final's time in 2020, so back to the hypothesis, and might I add that I agree with all of the suggestions you contribute to the hypothesis and again allude to my inference that there could be legacy reasons for us making finals next year. Obviously recognising it usually takes more than 12 months to build a finals capable team so the new coaches and new player recruits have joined a club with a legacy that has been set down by people that came before them, who would receive credit for that legacy in the event we have had a relatively successful year in 2020 and made finals and maybe even win a final.

Sure.

Despite my non-rating of Richo, there is absolutely no doubt that he did/made a lot of positive contributions to the playing list/club.
Not least of which is that there is a talented nucleus there with an emphasis on professionalism and positive attitude. Very good quality to promote and certainly Ratts has taken over a much stronger list than Richo started with

I was listening until your last sentence.

Do you want to really put your self in that category? Unintelligent stab in the dark people?

Put up or shut it.

Let's see the team Richo started with vs. the 2018 list.

C'mon post it. I dare ya.

I'm also happy to post it if you're scared.

Watters, then Richo butchered a team able to win finals from the moment he started. The wrong coach was hired .

[saintspremiers]

It’s an odd question..,

Your asking what changed to lead to a scenario that hasn’t happened

Could be the new recruits
The game plan
Natural improvement
Maybe we were better in 2019 but it was lost amongst the injuries
Maybe the coaching and leadership make a difference

Varying degrees of all of the above

Maybe none of it

One has to see it

it's a question in relation to the hypothesis that started with "if" so it's well understood I'm sure that there is a lot that can happen between now and final's time in 2020, so back to the hypothesis, and might I add that I agree with all of the suggestions you contribute to the hypothesis and again allude to my inference that there could be legacy reasons for us making finals next year. Obviously recognising it usually takes more than 12 months to build a finals capable team so the new coaches and new player recruits have joined a club with a legacy that has been set down by people that came before them, who would receive credit for that legacy in the event we have had a relatively successful year in 2020 and made finals and maybe even win a final.

Sure.

Despite my non-rating of Richo, there is absolutely no doubt that he did/made a lot of positive contributions to the playing list/club.
Not least of which is that there is a talented nucleus there with an emphasis on professionalism and positive attitude. Very good quality to promote and certainly Ratts has taken over a much stronger list than Richo started with

I was listening until your last sentence.

Do you want to really put your self in that category? Unintelligent stab in the dark people?

Put up or shut it.

Let's see the team Richo started with vs. the 2018 list.

C'mon post it. I dare ya.

I'm also happy to post it if you're scared.

Watters, then Richo butchered a team able to win finals from the moment he started. The wrong coach was hired .

spot on.

Richo had six years and just was so bland and vanilla it was junk baby food he dished out. A useless coach for that length of time. 3 years would’ve been ok but beyond that we were sinking not swimming.

A year ago the damage control began by hiring Ratts in advance and bringing in 4 mature aged recruits to help stabilise the mess.

Bringing in 5 trades is also part of the stabilisation and a counter attack. Whilst we celebrate a huge trade haul it’s on the back of lots of damage in the past.

Ridding ourselves of both Acres & Newnes and trading out Bruce (I’m not counting Stuv because that wa mental health) puts a message to blokes like Billings, Dunstan, Ross and Gresh that party time is over and it’s time to get fair dinkum. No more just turning up each year for the pay check.

I’m not saying the above players I’ve mentioned were just cruising - but they could’ve been a bit complacent at certain times in the year.

[WellardSaint]

Richo had Joey, Dempster, Fisher, Armo, and one other... oh, Nick R...
Richo had more talent than he left us with

[sunsaint]

Richo had Joey, Dempster, Fisher, Armo, and one other... oh, Nick R...
Richo had more talent than he left us with

i thought the one other you were going to say was J Steven

[skeptic]

It’s an odd question..,

Your asking what changed to lead to a scenario that hasn’t happened

Could be the new recruits
The game plan
Natural improvement
Maybe we were better in 2019 but it was lost amongst the injuries
Maybe the coaching and leadership make a difference

Varying degrees of all of the above

Maybe none of it

One has to see it

it's a question in relation to the hypothesis that started with "if" so it's well understood I'm sure that there is a lot that can happen between now and final's time in 2020, so back to the hypothesis, and might I add that I agree with all of the suggestions you contribute to the hypothesis and again allude to my inference that there could be legacy reasons for us making finals next year. Obviously recognising it usually takes more than 12 months to build a finals capable team so the new coaches and new player recruits have joined a club with a legacy that has been set down by people that came before them, who would receive credit for that legacy in the event we have had a relatively successful year in 2020 and made finals and maybe even win a final.

Sure.

Despite my non-rating of Richo, there is absolutely no doubt that he did/made a lot of positive contributions to the playing list/club.
Not least of which is that there is a talented nucleus there with an emphasis on professionalism and positive attitude. Very good quality to promote and certainly Ratts has taken over a much stronger list than Richo started with

I was listening until your last sentence.

Do you want to really put your self in that category? Unintelligent stab in the dark people?

Put up or shut it.

Let's see the team Richo started with vs. the 2018 list.

C'mon post it. I dare ya.

I'm also happy to post it if you're scared.

Watters, then Richo butchered a team able to win finals from the moment he started. The wrong coach was hired .

Calm down... Yes you’re right. Am just trying to leave the conversation

[DJ Higgins]

Newnes. Below Average player who got a below average offer most likely indicating he would be a depth player at best. I like it. He left and is joining a team with a better mid field based on last year. Good luck gettung game time there. Glad he is gone

[evertonfc]

Disappointed we didn't trade him out when he had value and had a good reputation for being a solid, decent player.

Definitely needed a new start but annoyed that he couldn't find his higher gears with us.

Life member, always welcome at the club. Had some quality years.

[WellardSaint]

Richo had Joey, Dempster, Fisher, Armo, and one other... oh, Nick R...
Richo had more talent than he left us with

i thought the one other you were going to say was J Steven

Richo left before Stuv officially checked out

[To the top]

And post the retirements of Fisher, Dempster, Montagna and Riewoldt (and injuries to Armo) who did we have with class past Steven to lead, guide and take the pressure off the players we were Drafting?

Was this problem down to Richardson?

Why did we recruit players from the State leagues at the ages they are at and with the experience they have at those other levels?

The demographics of our List meant Richardson was always going to be under win/loss ratio pressure - then there was his conservatism hence the support for certain players including the Captain

Richardson relied on structure and role - not challenging our kids to get there and showcase to the competition - both by their defensive and attacking abilities and their understanding of patterns (so trusting the line in front of you and positioning because you know exactly where the ball is going to go to)

There is no doubt we have talent - as Hill has said today but in terms of experience the most experienced of those kids are just getting to 100 games (and I still lament the loss of Acres on a raft of fronts)

Those approaching 100 games have done so minus the presence of our retired experience - and even Carlisle missed significant time

So cut some slack

This group is growing together

For how many Rounds in 2019 did we have the youngest team on the park?

Our percentage said we were off the mark and requiring further experience - which we have traded for

So Richardson may have had the “better” side courtesy of certain names

But Ratten has a far better List, particularly numbering to about 25 on the List

Richardson never had 25 as a core at the required level

So there you go

[To the top]

Until the second last Round last season where we lost by 10 points (and should have won) we have had the wood on Carlton

We lost that most recent match because they had a floating defender who took mark after mark (so Bruce’s papers?) AND their talls in attack exposed Brown and an under done and struggling Carlisle, but particularly Brown as he could not keep up heading to the 50 metre line - where they were potting them from

So they exploited Brown and his lack of mobility

The summary is that I would fully expect us to resume our dominance over Carlton - given the side I hope we put on the park in 2020

Given the history of Carlton players coming to St Kilda (including to Coach) it is pleasing to see some List players going from St Kilda to Carlton

[saintspremiers]

And post the retirements of Fisher, Dempster, Montagna and Riewoldt (and injuries to Armo) who did we have with class past Steven to lead, guide and take the pressure off the players we were Drafting?

Was this problem down to Richardson?

Why did we recruit players from the State leagues at the ages they are at and with the experience they have at those other levels?

The demographics of our List meant Richardson was always going to be under win/loss ratio pressure - then there was his conservatism hence the support for certain players including the Captain

Richardson relied on structure and role - not challenging our kids to get there and showcase to the competition - both by their defensive and attacking abilities and their understanding of patterns (so trusting the line in front of you and positioning because you know exactly where the ball is going to go to)

There is no doubt we have talent - as Hill has said today but in terms of experience the most experienced of those kids are just getting to 100 games (and I still lament the loss of Acres on a raft of fronts)

Those approaching 100 games have done so minus the presence of our retired experience - and even Carlisle missed significant time

So cut some slack

This group is growing together

For how many Rounds in 2019 did we have the youngest team on the park?

Our percentage said we were off the mark and requiring further experience - which we have traded for

So Richardson may have had the “better” side courtesy of certain names

But Ratten has a far better List, particularly numbering to about 25 on the List

Richardson never had 25 as a core at the required level

So there you go

I know you’d prefer a different captain, but should Geary be cut or given another year?

[B.M]

AR also had a massive amount of injuries

When he did have Nick R, Dempster, Joey, Armo and Jack
We won 11 games in 2016/2017

They all retired and left a huge hole in 2018
Armo, Bruce and McCartin missed the entire year with injuries. Depth was no good.

Started 2019 well, then with 8 best 22 players missing with injury, fell in a heap

On Newnes, serviceable player
Started as a promising HB, moved to the wing and was good. Lost a bit of running power and ended up in the ‘dead mans’ position as a defensive forward.

Lonie, if not already, will clearly be the whipping boy

[To the top]

Geary I would keep on the List for 2020 - but for the same reason I assume we have kept Brown for

For 2020, in terms of number of games played, who are our experience so 200 game players?

Simply, we have none

We need a winning culture at the Club - and this includes at Sandringham where the experience of Brown and Geary will assist

It is far easier to play well in a winning side - and that goes to our development side in the VFL as well

In terms of AFL I am of the very optimistic view that in Clark and Coffield we saw our “medium sized” defenders of the future - then, again optimistic add Roberton who is class plus then Battle as intercept and Carlisle and Howard (on what my disgruntled PA mates tell me noting their view of Austin who I trust has added kg’s to his skill set. Mind you they are outraged that Keith Thomas, from the traditional rival is in the position he is in so all fault with Keith. I laugh and respond in the affirmative which promotes further outrage. You just have to love those supporting the side past the cemetery!!)

So no AFL spot for Geary unless injury

In footy when you get or are delivered the ball you just have to be able to use it to advantage by precision and depth including run and carry if you are a “medium sized” player

Plus you build good sides from defence